School and the Students

[esupin]

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Yes, I agree with Reach. Grades do NOT reflect on intelligence, just work habits.

I cannot completely agree with that statement. There is a small minority of CP students who work hard to get B, while others goof off and can pull an A- out of a hat.

Like I said before, you don't have to be intelligent to go somewhere in life.

[ckj846]

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I think it all depends on your natural talents and learning abilities that allow you to excell in harder classes. I hardly work at all to get an A in a honors or AP class, while my friends work their butts off in the CP class to get a C. I am just natually gifted with almost photographic memory. I can remember facts from almost anything that I have looked at. But, that will not help me later in life like esupin said. Just because I can remember things well doesn't mean I can apply them. In other words, your grades in classes reflect on your talents and weaknesses in school.
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[Reach]

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That are some people are naturally good at writing tests. Its true. That, and they have been brought up to do well in school, so they progressivly get better at it through their schooling. Doing well on tests is not a reflection of how much you know, but is a reflection of how well you have performed on the given tests. Some people are quite good at it.

So how do tests not measure how much you know on a given subject? Obviously they measure something. I guess what you're saying would be valid for tests that involve essays, and that's if you can't write them very well.

I haven't taken classes as difficult as I should due to sheer lazyness. A lot of work I see AP students do just seems like bullshit and a waste of time. I'm taking a few AP and honors classes next year though because it just looks better for colleges and they aren't very hard anyways, they're just more work to do.

They just don't measure how much you know. They measure how well you perform when you need to regurgitate crap, standardised information(well, alot of it is anyway, at the highschool level. i've maybe learned a few interesting things during highschool) that has been taught to you. If you're not good at writing tests, you won't score high, regardless of how much math/physics you actually know, or whatever subject the test is written under. You can be a mathimatical genius. It doesn't mean you'll ace all your math tests. I recall einstein dropping out of school actually. Tests are just a measure of your performance, I've talked to teachers about exams and standardised tests before, thats all they are.

They can also be a measure of how much you just study and memorize and practise the imformation as well. This then makes the test mean nothing really, aside from the fact you might appear to be 'intelligent' to your ignorant classmates who still think that scoring high on tests makes you 'smart'. haha

And its not like this is just coming from a whiner that does horribly in school. I have a 95 average, and I have come to realise that it really doesn't mean fuck all, aside from the fact it looks pretty on a resume when I go to apply to university, and I won't end up with any doors closing on me. I dispise the entire system, and often wish it would burn in hell, but its not going to, so I might as well play the game to the best of my ability.

[Varia]

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A big difference between the higher up kids and the normal kids I particularly notice is that the higher up kids tend to cheat and BS their asses off. They are always copying each other's work and always cheating on tests. The thing that saves them is that they put some effort into school activities like ASB or whatever. A little brown-nosing and they are safe.

It pisses me off.

Not to mention that their intelligence level seems to be BELOW AVERAGE.

God, they are all just BS faces.

[Snapps]

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Yes, I agree with Reach. Grades do NOT reflect on intelligence, just work habits.

And as for tests, obviously, there are tests that you cannot BS- the memorization-type stuff. Anybody who works hard can do that.

In the AP/honors classes, the people who get in are generally the ones with good work habits. Also, I've noticed that the better teachers tend to teach the AP/honors classes rather than the CP classes.

One example: I have a friend in CP Science, who recently had a test on cell division. In Biology, we had gone over this thoroughly, so I was able to explain the idea to him. When we finished, he said that "OMG, I just learned two weeks worth of material in half an hour. The teacher didn't teach us ANYTHING". Exact same subject, but the Biology teacher taught it well and the regular science teacher taught it badly (or so I gather).

Worse learning environments, coupled with (mostly) worse teachers probably help to drag the CP students down quite a bit.

Everything you said is extremely true. That is all based on me haha.

[FlashStinger]

The thing with AP classes is that they count more because they are deemed "higher". I am in An AP class and an honors class, and doing well in those boosts my gpa a lot more than if I do well in my level three classes. I also would like to comment on the work ethics of AP and Honors classe kids vs. CP. It is true that AP kids do not work as hard. We have mastered what school is.... and that is learning how to learn. As mentioned before, the point of the test is not to see what you know in a subject, it is a test on how well you have prepared and can take tests. A majority of the people in my AP class know only general things, but they ace quizzes. This is done by googleing for the study guides in World History. Once this was found, they found the practice quizzes, which are almost the exact same thing. The period before in Computer Science, I and 2 others, Go online and print out the answers. We have learned how to learn. You don't learn logorithims and calculus to do it, you learn a different way to learn. Thats all. Whereas people in CP, tend to actually learn the material and do ok on tests. I have taken tests on subject matter never seen and done better than 85% of the class that learned it. I just take basic knowledge on test takeing and the subject and apply it. But, that might be because I read a lot more than most..... I'm a non-fiction verbivore :'(.....

[Varia]

That's not learning you idiot.

That's cramming before a test.

The only thing you've mastered is putting off studying until right before the test.

[ckj846]

And yet, some people can learn and be effective in school like that. I know that is how I am and I get straight A's in Honors and AP classes.
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[Varia]

be effective in school like that.

That is true.

[DDRAngel]

"if you cant dazzle them with Brilliance baffle them with bullshit" I have also found that procrastinators seem to do better than people that put TO much thought into it. Im one of those kids in the high classes that procrastinates and gets all A's and if I study for tests I forget the information so I dont study. If I want to do good I have to cram.


But everyone is different so I dont think there is an accurate for schools to really grade kids...if you think about it.

[DDR_9-footer]

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Sigh, and you're in honors? Easy question, Honors and AP are worth more. And you say you're in honors? That's pitiful and shows you how messed up education is.

dude not cool for all we no he could be 1 of the samrtist kids of all time
so for u to be acting like that and how do we no ur education is fu*ked
up. so shut up and stop be a di*k head

[esupin]

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OK, very intelligent.

There are many rich people who sucked at school. One example? Richard Branson, who owns Virgin (he never went to college).
Being smart will help you get a slight advantage in life, but not much.

[TSAGod]

The biggest reason for the jumps in grades is because of the weighting. People who have GPA's like 6.54...they aren't really smart, they're school just has a very friendly GPA system. When you have a small enough difference between AP and normal classes, you don't have the problem.

[esupin]

Which is why colleges look at your unweighted GPA.

[emptiness]

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AP is on a different grading scale...than easier classes
derrr...or atleast thats how it is at my school