Atheism vs. Religion

[User6773]

If you believe it's your god, and your god is infalable, you can't throw out some of the rules, just because you don't like them.

Um, even God himself threw out his own rules. Jesus tells his followers many times that the old laws have changed, and even God in the Old Testament makes new covenants with his people and revises his laws. I'm guessing you've never read the book of Hosea, because it's not exactly one of those texts that helps atheists make their case. That book is where God makes a promise of mercy and promises never again to show wrath upon humans.

Also, I wouldn't take a self-proclaimed atheist removing Scripture quotes from context as a better authority on Christianity than a Christian.

[Aedak]

Chardish, you obvioulsy didn't comprehend any of my posts, or you wouldn't be making such silly comments. If you "had" read what I posted, I mentioned that I have read the bible, and regardless of what is in the bible, an ENORMOUS amount of Christians DO take it literally, word for word, I guarantee you.

Even if you do not take it literally (I've explained this already). Since you obviously did not read my post in it's entirety I will post the section again just for you:

It would be unfair to tell people (as creationists will tell you) that there is a serious dispute going on among scientists whether or not evolution took place.. it isn't. We see, all over the country, school districts wrestling with this problem of what to teach, evolution, creation, both, neither, and it seems to crop up when people who's religious views require them to interpret the bible as literally true are offended by the idea that evolution is being taught in the classroom. Alot of the time the creationists will sound very scientific, they'll search through journals and try to pull out something that they think demonstrates that evolution doesn't work. And... there's kind of an interesting rational behind that. Their theology is such that if there one thing wrong with the bible you have to throw it all out... so that's why Genesis has to be interpreted literally. They look at science the same way, if one little piece of the evolutionary puzzle doesn't fit, then the whole thing has to go. Of course that's not the way science is done.

As for Creationism not contradicting evolution? Sure, I guess it doesnt, I'll give you that. However, Evolution does contradict Creationism, no matter how much you want to argue that it doesn't. Creationism is non-science, trying to prove it is, is preposterous (again I've covered this).

You really shouldn't take things out of context. I said: "I'm glad you find it offensive, I've found oppressive Christians offensive my entire life." - You understand you're the oppressor right?


As for Q, when i said my opinions are all 100% correct, i was being sarcastic; even I (one of the more egotistical bastards out there) wouldn't go so far to say that.

Hot topics are what keeps me from dying of boredom, you guys keep me entertained while I pump out sarcasm and amplify my ideas to sound offensive instead of mildly offensive. At least it worked and I'm entertained.
Jumping straight from abortion to atheism sure is fun!
However, I was still hoping for a better argument.

Um, even God himself threw out his own rules. Jesus tells his followers many times that the old laws have changed, and even God in the Old Testament makes new covenants with his people and revises his laws. I'm guessing you've never read the book of Hosea, because it's not exactly one of those texts that helps atheists make their case. That book is where God makes a promise of mercy and promises never again to show wrath upon humans.

Also, I wouldn't take a self-proclaimed atheist removing Scripture quotes from context as a better authority on Christianity than a Christian.

So god obviously has an editorial committee, how quaint! It seems your god isn't very perfect if he can't lay out simple rules up front, in fact there are contradictions throughout the bible:

http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/extra/bible-contradictions.html

Well that's it folks, I'm going to bed, enjoy the forums without my cynicism, radical ideals, egotistical and savvy personality until tomorrow.

[User6773]

This is the part of the topic where you get owned.

Chardish, you obvioulsy didn't comprehend any of my posts, or you wouldn't be making such silly comments.

I comprehend that I am reading the emotionally charged rantings of someone with an axe to grind against Christianity. I also comprehend that if you really had any intention of having an open minded discussion you would not have created this topic with an attitude of conflict. You didn't say "this is why my belief is right," you said why others' beliefs are wrong. This should have been locked a long time ago if I had the foresight to realize that.

If you "had" read what I posted, I mentioned that I have read the bible, and regardless of what is in the bible, an ENORMOUS amount of Christians DO take it literally, word for word, I guarantee you.

Sounds like you're taking it word-for-word literally, and that is why you're finding fault with it. Good job! You're exactly the same as the people you disagree with.

Their theology is such that if there one thing wrong with the bible you have to throw it all out... so that's why Genesis has to be interpreted literally.

With an equally amusing twist of irony, this, also, is your theology. You were taking outdated quotes from the Bible that did not even apply anymore when the Bible was compiled as a way of attempting to destroy the credibility of the entire book.

They look at science the same way, if one little piece of the evolutionary puzzle doesn't fit, then the whole thing has to go. Of course that's not the way science is done.

You're right, scientists typically work to fill in those pieces of the puzzle before they go around demanding that it be taught as fact. I'm not saying that I disagree with evolution - I don't disagree with microevolution - it's just that there are holes in it, and that's undeniable.

As for Creationism not contradicting evolution? Sure, I guess it doesnt, I'll give you that. However, Evolution does contradict Creationism, no matter how much you want to argue that it doesn't. Creationism is non-science, trying to prove it is, is preposterous (again I've covered this).

No, you haven't covered this, what you've done is declared it to be "non-science" without any evidence of that and then used it to debunk the existance of God. Nice Chewbacca defense, sport. We haven't scientifally proven evolution yet, just as we haven't scientifically proven the existance of God yet. Yet you're willing to accept one as science and one as "non-science" simply because of your own emotional involvement with the subject? Absurd. This is not you providing rational basis for your arguments, this is you passing judgment on the beliefs of others.

You really shouldn't take things out of context. I said: "I'm glad you find it offensive, I've found oppressive Christians offensive my entire life." - You understand you're the oppressor right?

So it would seem that you view all Christians as oppressive? If that's so, why did you create this topic except to spout off against people you perceive as enemies? I find it ironic that you label yourself a "freethinker" while incessantly churning out negative rhetoric against beliefs other than your own rather than stopping to consider their truths and implications.

As for Q, when i said my opinions are all 100% correct, i was being sarcastic; even I (one of the more egotistical bastards out there) wouldn't go so far to say that.

But you did. And even if we accept the premise that it was a sarcastic comment, your intense close-mindedness and refusal to even accept the legitimacy of an argument other than your own do not belong in this forum. I'm a Christian, and you'll never change my mind or make me atheist, but at least I understand that athiests aren't ignorant, nor do I think their logic is flawed. I simply understand that faith is something that some possess and others don't. And as much as you'd like to make me out to be the enemy, I don't look down on you because you don't have faith.

Jumping straight from abortion to atheism sure is fun!
However, I was still hoping for a better argument.

Pity you didn't provide one. Instead you provided a bunch of overzealous close-minded preaching about atheism (which, as I pointed out earlier, is just as irritating and uninteresting as a bunch of overzealous close-minded preaching about Christianity.)

Your implicit notion that your beliefs make you intellectually superior has proven to appall even your fellow atheists.

Well that's it folks, I'm going to bed, enjoy the forums without my cynicism, radical ideals, egotistical and savvy personality until tomorrow.

I was thinking more like "forever" instead of "until tomorrow." Locked.