A little info for some? girls, i'd say MORE than some...

[xObserveRx]

Okay, i see your point Healing, but still, a lot of the time, the guy is pretty oblivious to the status of his girl's sexual prowess. He's in no position off the bat to say things like "well, how many guys have you been with?" because he faces the most probable result: Getting yelled at for thinking the girl is a slut, when in reality, that's not what that question is about.

It IS the girl's responsibility to tell her partner that kind of info before having sex, so at least the couple knows where it stands. Same goes for the guy.

[Chrissi]

You know, I think some people have a double standard when it comes to this stuff. Not saying anyone here does, but think about it. Take this hypothetical situation.

If, in a relationship of about 1 week, a girl asks a guy to have sex, he accepts, and nobody thinks anything of it. They may think the girl is a slut though, for asking so soon.
If, instead, in the same situation a guy asks a girl to have sex, she may accept or she may not. If she accepts, she's a slut.

But what about the guy, hmm? He's just doing what guys do? It takes two people to have sex. If the girl's a slut, so's the guy having sex with her. Shouldn't the GUY be considered a slut in at least one of these situations? But he's not, right? Why not?

[Laharl]

I know exactly what you're talking about, Chrissi. It really isn't fair. Artifacts of an age long past, I suppose, where all the ills in society were blamed on women.

Personally, I think there are more manwhores out there than people are willing to admit.

[RuhielRaptor]

Ill second that fact-

I myself am a man and I think that because of my age and the reputation the manwhores are beginning to give men in general that all women will think that men at this age are only intersted in sex and that saying "I love you" really means "Let's have sex". But you all need to admit that people are having sex at younger ages, like how every other day I hear about how one person had sex with another. I think that with how many sluts and manwhores I see, they are now the majority and people who can keep their hands to themselves, like me, are a minority. It's both sides' fault, usually the woman for suggesting and the man for following but there's always exceptions. And women also get blamed usually because they look more like they want to be a slut. One girl wore a shirt that said "Young, ready, and willing" it might as well have said "RAPE ME!". Let's face the facts, our society will go straight to hell when these perverts become major decision makers.

Kind of sad, isn't it?

[xObserveRx]

First off, i wanna clear something up with Jamie, or Jam, or whoever you are. I DIDN'T WRITE THE DAMN POST, I SEEN IT ON A FORUM. I simply added my two cents afterwards. ugh.

Anyways I think that Ruhie has some good points. I know you say girls seem to be taking more heat from this whole world situation, when i think its either closer to equal, or men are taking more heat. Men have had an "image" for a lot longer than women have, and everytime something goes wrong in a relationship, men suffer more, usually, NOT ALL the time, but usually.

With this "image" i was talking about, I think it's stuck so long because lots of men actually DO fit into it. It's just all men get blamed for the image, not just the ones who ARE it, which is sad. Women have images, but its either just a slut, or a manhater, or lesbian or something, which hardly is the case. More girls are known for being headcases or what not, and i guess guys are the fools for going for them anyways. But that doesn't mean the whole gender, whether its male or female, fit into these images.

And lastly, Ruhie brought up a situation. One where after a week or so, the guy asks the girl to have sex. He said the girl will either accept or not, which isn't true. The girl will MOST LIKELY either reject him and get mad, or dump his horny ass, thinking that's all he wants. Or, if she is slutty, say yes. But no, that doesn't make her a slut in my books, that makes her horny, and there's nothing wrong with that. Girls are allowed to be horny, hell guys are almost all the time, so why can't girls act on that sometimes, especially if its with a partner/bf/fiance or w/e?

[Squeek]

Solution: Don't date anybody.

Wow, so easy. Sure, you remain lonely for a while, but you aren't DESPERATE, are you? I'm not perusing random sites for lovers or asking every girl in school just to go out on a date. I'm waiting for someone I see myself having a future with. This helped me reduce my searching from about 1,000 girls at my school to 3.

By the way, I'm almost 18 and still never dated. Somehow that seems like a big deal these days. I don't see how. It's not like I'm a complete geek that nobody wants to be with, it's that my selection process is extremely strict. Plus the fact that I hate it when girls do as was mentioned in the first post just to get ATTENTION. It's true, don't deny. Why else would you want to wear semi-see through shirts that cover 50% of your stomach? Buy a real T-shirt, wear it, move on. Don't flaunt. You attract negative attention that way.

Personally, I don't ever plan on having that deep of a relationship with anybody. I don't want kids, I don't even want to marry. I might change my mind later on, but right now this is where I'm set. College won't change my mind, I'm sure.

That's all I've got. Obviously nobody is going to listen objectively.

~Squeek

[Jam930]

This is a very strange and twisted thread.

I think you can do what you want with another person as long as they are into it. Who gives a shit about standards.

[xObserveRx]

Omg, i finally have to say that jamie is making sense. She might be portrayed as a "slut" to some, but if you look at it with reason, it makes as much sense as anything else. Guys go for what they want, when they want it, so why not girls?

Thank you jamie, finally, we agree on something.

[Chrissi]

If anyone disagrees with what I said, let me clarify: I also disagree with what I said. I think it's just the way society views it, kthxbai.

[Tasselfoot]

there seems to be alot of opinions from people who are against flaunting and easy fornication.....

i'll give my input with a slightly differnt view.

let me start off by saying i'm 20, lost my virginity on my 17th b-day, and have had sex with 2 people.

both girls were in long term relationships, but different scenarios... the first, i basically worked on her for 9 months until she finally relented into having sex (this isn't to say she wasn't greatly enjoying all the oral sex i was performing on her every single day for the 6 months before that)... that relationship broke up about 6 months after we had sex. we're still friends.

the other relationship i am still currently in. we met on june 24th 2003. first kissed on the 28th, had sex on july 2nd... and continued to have sex about 4 times a day until our trip in israel ended on the 8th. now, i live on the east coast... she lives on the west coast. we met in israel... so, when this started, neither of us planned on it being a relationship. she's just a nymphomaniac (only slept with 6 people though), and i have a raging hard-on 24/7... so we were both happy. then being together for an entire week, we learned so much about each other and it progressed... she came and stayed with me for 2 weeks last aug, and we've visited each other about once a month through this school year, and she'll be arriving in a week and staying with me for the entire summer...

but, getting back on topic... both relationships and situations are completely different... i just don't see how its such a big deal if girls are going to be cock teases. i feel like it is apart of the game, just another piece in the puzzle that guys have to overcome to achieve our goal.

i just feel that even though my current relationship started out as a week long sexfest romp in the desert, we were still able to start a strong relationship together, one where were trust each other even 3000 miles away. i think that it is mostly BECAUSE our sexlife is so good that our bond is so strong.

i'm sorry if this isn't completely related to the topic... i'm real bad at answering essay questions. heh.

[classof04]

I have two theories on this subject.

1. The girl was peer presured into almost doing the act an example would be if the girl grew up in the wrong side of town where are the girls are like that so she wants to fit in but when's she's about to do it she realizes she doesn't or isn't ready to do it.

2. My second theory is a bit far fetched but it describes on of the girls at my school. Once upon a time in a relationship she was hurt by a guy. This realy pissed her off. Now subconciously or conciously she acts all sluty and dates as many guys as she can.

Now here's some thing I observed. Since Jam930 was the first girl to fight back against this topic. She gave me the impression that she IS one of these girls.

[xObserveRx]

Which basically comes down to the point in case: How come it SEEMS like a lot more girls ARE READY to have sex with you, yet that's not really the case at all?

[Cyborg_Mermaid]

Maybe because the girl feels like she has to meet a higher standard by sucking in the guy with promises of sex, sadly that is the case with many of my friends and they all get dusted afterwards when they try to act clean about it.

Once again, I blame media.

[jazzmosis]

Borg, you stole my hapring grounds! The media is my world to bash.

THe Media (and Society, and most men) want women to by superficial and one-minded. Look at "The Swan" on FOX recently, and you'll see my point.

Most men (myself not included) want their woman to be owned by them and to answer to their call for anything. For many men, they are just objects to fill his desire. This will rub off where the woman will try to be this, but while still maintaining control of her life. Sometimes, it slips.

[Squeek]

Solution : Stop watching TV. It's bad for you. It really is. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING :O

In all honesty, TV and movies gives you horrible ideas on how to live your life. That's why so many people seem all the same. I've been TV-free for more than half a year now and I'm so much better off without it. What is TV anyway other than one big advertisement? You get a little of your show, but then it's more advertisements. And there's ads within your show sometimes. And the negative ideas...bad news influences... Stop watching TV.

~Squeek