If I were to rebel against my dad and say I didn't want to do chores or do something else pointlessly dumb, there's 1 staircase and a few feet from the front door and he could just throw me out anyday. It's best to respect the people that provide for your livelihood, I'm on the dad's side here, even though shooting the laptop was a bit redneck.
lol the father is a boss for doing this (although it might've been over the top)
the rowdy, disrepectful kids exist today because their parents did not teach them the value or importance in respecting one's elders
nowadays the majority of teens are hotheaded, headstrong, and think they are independent
the father did what was right - esp. if your own child is trashtalking you on facebook with the intention of doing it SECRETLY (blocked parents' facebooks)
ungrateful to parents who've brought you to life and fed you, cared for you, paid for everything?
It is somewhat surprising that people objected to the father's actions, in particular to her laptop. Honestly, I don't see the issue - he explicitly mentioned that this had been a past problem, and that her tantrum was not the first incident. If anything, it seems like he made a great point, and perhaps in the future she will be more respectful of what she has. As a person who came from a good household with parents who taught me right from wrong, I personally feel that he was too lenient up to that point - if she was acting the way she did in light of the good home life she had, maybe it was time he took more drastic steps to correct her course. Complaining about chores? Please. If she calls that "slave labor", then it is obvious she has lived too sheltered a life for too long, in my own opinion.
I know that from my own personal home life that I had it damn good - sure it wasn't perfect, but every day I wake up thankful that I am able to get a college education. I am thankful that I have a roof over my head, a nice computer and TV (that I paid for and take good care of), and a stable family. Perhaps my views have been shaped differently, but kudos to him. Now that she will have to work for what she has, maybe she'll be more appreciative of it in the future.
I don't see why doing a couple of chores would make a kid post a rant like that anywhere. I mean come on, she's 15; her parents basically poop money so she can go to school, live in a house, own a laptop, and have basic necessities.
A lot of kids these days have no respect and/or appreciation of what their parents do for them, and imo, more people should be like this redneck. Not saying parents all over the world should shoot their kid's personal belongings, but at least pay attention and discipline them if required.
Props to our IT redneck for shooting shit, though.
so·ci·o·path [soh-see-uh-path, soh-shee-]
noun Psychiatry .
a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
Choof you're partially correct on that, but not one hundred percent right. :\
I agree with both sides, a person needs to have the problems nipped at the bud before they develop and can't be fixed, eg. delinquency and that the father needed to have what's called an iron fist in a velvet glove, but that was just down right too much.
The same idea could've easily been done by forcing her to get a job, take away the laptop, and maybe if you want to point to a different "extreme" delete the facebook account for using it wrong in the house hold.
The girl is doing jobs she should be doing anyway, maintaining the house that she lives in (even though it may not be her own house). I don't see why you should get paid for doing your own clean up, like laundry, washing your dishes in the dishwasher (lucky, some people wash it by hand), and wiping counters if it's been dirtied-- which would be likely only made by her if everyone else wipes the counters down after using it-- the girl has got it lucky kinda, and she went too far.
This could go in CT since it's starting to get into the topic of Morality, and etc.
Ok, so
- Paying $130 and spending time to install software, and then shooting up the thing? You have got to be joking
- "You are disrespectful to every adult in your life": AGEISM as justification for this shit? This is basically being like "stay in your place, we're your parents, you suck". I wonder how worried the daughter is now about being a perfect little princess (read: servant) to the world!
- His thing about his past is making him all "my life sucked, so yours will too" about this. And how exactly will being this stupid fix your daughter? Again, instead of being a supportive parent to EXPLAIN things to her, he tries using forced BS.
- Rather than fixing up the relationship, this is trying to coerce the daughter into humiliation. Humiliating your daughter online instead of trying to help her as a supportive parent? GG man, how do you feel about yourself?
- School does take some significant time too, and a lot of other factors can be taken into account - clubs, community service, hobbies. "Get up and get on the bus. that's all your responsibilities" - so actually *gasp* concentrating on school to help get a good future isn't a responsibility?!?!
If you ask me, this is very close to psychological abuse. The "bullet into the laptop" is nothing more than a compulsive act of revenge on the daughter to try making the father feel better. This is an example of how reasoning isn't being used, but instead force and bad parenting. I'm starting to think this video is viral also because it is bad parenting.
This could have simply been solved with a reasonable discussion between the parents and the daughter. But NOPE, looks like the father had to go all internet attention whore and show a lack of empathy for his daughter.
I'm with Dossar 100%. That man is ****ing crazy. He's pretty similar to how my mother and stepfather were, i.e. they went apeshit if I slipped up even once. They didn't physically beat me or anything, but I'm not on speaking terms with them right now, and I'm definitely not the "good for nothing lazy drug addict" they predicted.
What we're not seeing on the camera is all the abuse that goes on. Most kids are going to post some kind of "life is so unfair i hate my parents QQ" on facebook at some point in time or another, and the appropriate response is "that was disrespectful, you're grounded for a week, no internet etc etc," not the over-the-top BS that this man created.
Anyone psycho enough to empty a pistol magazine into a laptop over some teenage drama posted on facebook has no business being a parent. Period.
after more reflection on the topic and updated posts, i've come to realize that you all are blaming the daughter for how she was raised, and that's not very appropriate. a child in her situation does not raise themselves. it is her parent's fault she acts the way she does.
Originally posted by Choofers
I honestly can't believe that people are siding with the 15 year-old on this. Really? We were all 15 at some point, chores and doing what you're told to do instills responsibility (or at least, it's supposed to) so you're not a massive piece of shit when you become an adult.
i'm not siding with the 15 year old, i'm siding AGAINST the dad. you have to do chores for the sake of keeping the house running, or else it gets messy and inefficient. this guy introduced into his home, for his privileged daughter to witness, a "cleaning lady," who maintains the house (same job as daughter although probably more actual work,) and this lady gets paid to do it. of course the daughter expects to get paid for doing her bullshit busy work when there's a lady in her house getting paid to do it because that's sound logic for a privileged 15 years old.
also lets keep in mind that when we watch this video, we only can consider about 60% of the context. if my dad's gonna pull out the pistol and shoot up a laptop over how i think they suck, then you damn sure won't catch me posting to facebook about how he beats me or rapes or etc. etc. etc. you get the point. you're judging a whole lot from just one side of a story.
Originally posted by Bynary Fission
Complaining about chores? Please. If she calls that "slave labor", then it is obvious she has lived too sheltered a life for too long, in my own opinion.
another good example of blaming the daughter for being born into this world in a privileged family.
would you blame a fat person for being fat when their parents fed them mcdonalds every day growing up?
and to all of those people saying you should respect your elders, you should only do that to a certain degree because our elders can also be senile and very out-of-touch with the times.
Originally posted by top
what the hell happened to alden
i remember a time when he wuz kewl
I'm going to make one last post in this thread, and this is basically why the guy was a total jackass here
Let's just put it this way. It takes two to tango. That goes for parents and their kids too. If a kid is ****ed up, it likely means the parent is ****ed on some level too. If a kid is out of control, or misbehaving, it is almost certainly an issue stemming from the parent(s) as well.
Point being, a person's facebook page is private. A dad stalking his daughter's page, and then blowing up her computer for the entire internet to see, further angering, humiliating, and hurting her, isn't going to "teach her a lesson". It's going to make her hate and resent the parent even more. If anyone on here think that was "good parenting", I'd feel sorry for your own kids. Someone even mentioned that this country is going to shit BECAUSE parents can't "beat the life outta their kids anymore". Wow. Just wow.
Respect goes both ways. That includes parents and their children. You want your children to respect you? To love you? Try respecting them and loving them first. And not privately...OPENLY. Kids aren't obligated to respect and love their parents...not if the parents don't do so to them first. Your child is a person, not property. And so long as you continue to ignore this, the longer they will inevitably continue to act out.
This was a comment that was actually on Tommy's facebook post - and it basically does bring up the valid point that the parents DO have an influence as to how their child behaves. Obviously, this guy is not considering that. He is not taking the time to understand why she behaves the way she does, and instead is privately trying to humiliate her for his own satisfaction, which came to another post:
Parents aren't teaching their kids respect, they are competing with them. This guy didn't show her how to be an adult, he showed her how to be a better vindictive child.
The laptop shooting was nothing more than an act of revenge and satisfaction for the father, especially since he was going to post it to YouTube for everyone to see. The 15 year old being the attention whore? ARE YOU FUCKING JOKING? This guy has over 15 million views on the video, purposely did this in private, and shot the laptop to try looking like a badass, when in reality he is just covering up the fact that he didn't know how to handle his situation properly.
Ultimately, the parent was a million times more disrespectful for being a revenge-motivated jackass instead of actually being empathetic to his daughter.
Thanks for reading, I'm outta this thread
Last edited by DossarLX ODI; 02-11-2012, 05:07 PM.
Originally posted by hi19hi19
oh boy, it's STIFF, I'll stretch before I sit down at the computer so not I'm not as STIFF next time I step a file
I'm going to make one last post in this thread, and this is basically why the guy was a total jackass here
This was a comment that was actually on Tommy's facebook post - and it basically does bring up the valid point that the parents DO have an influence as to how their child behaves. Obviously, this guy is not considering that. He is not taking the time to understand why she behaves the way she does, and instead is privately trying to humiliate her for his own satisfaction, which came to another post:
The laptop shooting was nothing more than an act of revenge and satisfaction for the father, especially since he was going to post it to YouTube for everyone to see. The 15 year old being the attention whore? ARE YOU FUCKING JOKING? This guy has over 15 million views on the video, purposely did this in private, and shot the laptop to try looking like a badass, when in reality he is just covering up the fact that he didn't know how to handle his situation properly.
Ultimately, the parent was a million times more disrespectful for being a revenge-motivated jackass instead of actually being empathetic to his daughter.
Thanks for reading, I'm outta this thread
Dossar I never thought I would agree with you on a discussion, but you're correct imo
I think forming a serious opinion on this issue is dumb as hell since we have no idea what conversations occurred between the parents and daughter, we don't know their situation, and we have no idea what either party is a actually like. My best guess is she's a spoiled little bitch.
I think forming a serious opinion on this issue is dumb as hell since we have no idea what conversations occurred between the parents and daughter, we don't know their situation, and we have no idea what either party is a actually like. My best guess is she's a spoiled little bitch.
^ p. much this
We have no idea what either of them have gone through.
The daughter could be a lazy, disrespectful, cognitively-retarded teen that ignores any comments that does not go in her favor.
Alternatively, the father could be an over-reacting, nutty dad that exaggerates everything too much.
Who knows. Everything aside, not having a job at 15 is kind of sad...
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