Removal of YouTube music videos.

[NFD]

Re: Removal of YouTube music videos.

It's blank, haha.

[Afrobean]

Re: Removal of YouTube music videos.

Aren't these artists gaining more exposure?

I don't see what the big deal is.

Exposure does not necessarily imply increased income, and while the artist might be happy just to have people listening to their music, the record labels (i.e., those who actually OWN the songs) don't want people benefiting from the music if they don't see direct cash flow from it.

ps No, music is not a major part of Youtube. That might be what YOU think of it as, but it's a site for sharing user-created videos (think: vlog or home movies), not for illegally sharing music without the IP owner's consent. Realize please, that if Youtube was for MUSIC, THERE WOULDN'T BE A REQUIREMENT OF HAVING A VIDEO.

[gafandriel]

Re: Removal of YouTube music videos.

If they take down music videos on youtube.co.uk

just go to youtube.com


haha

[Squeek]

Re: Removal of YouTube music videos.

Bumping thread to school afro:

So I was listening to the Rock Band soundtrack (again. it's good, what can i say?) and got to Rush and cranked it up and decided to watch the video of the guy 5g*ing the song because he's really good and I never played it on Expert due to a lack of nofail and an abundance of fail on my part for not being able to even play most of the songs on Hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op4O0zpEzGI

This is really, really stupid. Why do they think it's ok to change the audio track on people's videos?

This guy's video was 50% drum noises from his room and 50% the song (which, in case I need to remind you, is a COVER in Rock Band). So they have the rights to 50% of the audio, at best. They have no right to remove the audio track of his drumming.

This whole thing is a massive infringement on the concept of fair use and I sincerely hope someone sues for this bull****.

[Afrobean]

Re: Removal of YouTube music videos.

Bumping thread to school afro:

So I was listening to the Rock Band soundtrack (again. it's good, what can i say?) and got to Rush and cranked it up and decided to watch the video of the guy 5g*ing the song because he's really good and I never played it on Expert due to a lack of nofail and an abundance of fail on my part for not being able to even play most of the songs on Hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op4O0zpEzGI

This is really, really stupid. Why do they think it's ok to change the audio track on people's videos?

Because as soon as it's uploaded to Youtube, the video ceases being yours and begins being Google's.

This guy's video was 50% drum noises from his room and 50% the song (which, in case I need to remind you, is a COVER in Rock Band). So they have the rights to 50% of the audio, at best. They have no right to remove the audio track of his drumming.

Again, it's Youtube's video, so they can do whatever they like with it. They could even delete it for no reason if they liked.

This whole thing is a massive infringement on the concept of fair use and I sincerely hope someone sues for this bull****.

By uploading your video to Youtube, you agree to the terms of their service.

Also: it's not fair use. It's infringing the rights of the people who own the rights to the song, it's infringing the rights of the people who own that specific cover, it's infringing on the rights of the company that owns the IP of the game. You think the folks behind music games like seeing their charts appear in videos? Actually, they might, but that's beside the point; I'm sure the company doesn't like to see OTHER companies like Google making a buck on the back of a video of a game that they never authorized to be used in that way.

Fair use would be to use a portion of it for educational purposes. Or hell, if it was used in a way which was not for profit, then yeah, maybe you'd have a case of calling it fair use, even if it's only purpose is for the person to show off their gaming skills.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use and be entirely aware that Youtube is a COMMERCIAL ENDEAVOR.

[IAAW]

Re: Removal of YouTube music videos.

Because as soon as it's uploaded to Youtube, the video ceases being yours and begins being Google's.

So, you're saying that if someone uploads a home video, then it's apparently owned by Google then? I don't get it.

Again, it's Youtube's video, so they can do whatever they like with it. They could even delete it for no reason if they liked.

Good point.

By uploading your video to Youtube, you agree to the terms of their service.

Some people don't read the TOS when they upload their videos. That's probably why alot of people are when audio changing/video removing happens to them.

Also: it's not fair use. It's infringing the rights of the people who own the rights to the song, it's infringing the rights of the people who own that specific cover, it's infringing on the rights of the company that owns the IP of the game. You think the folks behind music games like seeing their charts appear in videos? Actually, they might, but that's beside the point; I'm sure the company doesn't like to see OTHER companies like Google making a buck on the back of a video of a game that they never authorized to be used in that way.

Considering that most of music game videos are just to show off skill/songs, shouldn't it even matter? I mean, I can understand about copyright infringement, shouldn't it even be considered as such if it's only there because of it being a music game? I mean, wouldn't a music game minus no music prevent it from being considered a music game at all?

Fair use would be to use a portion of it for educational purposes. Or hell, if it was used in a way which was not for profit, then yeah, maybe you'd have a case of calling it fair use, even if it's only purpose is for the person to show off their gaming skills.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use and be entirely aware that Youtube is a COMMERCIAL ENDEAVOR.

Once again, good point. But I still don't see the need to do such a thing; for illegal music uploading, then maybe, but there shouldn't be any tampering with gaming videos. It shouldn't even matter, in my point of view. But, like you said; YouTube has the rights to perform any legal action as needed, even if it pisses off some people. :/

[Squeek]

Re: Removal of YouTube music videos.

I really don't care to argue as I was just trying to bring up a point without doing any research, but...

Why change the music to random elevator music? Why not just take down the video? What if this guy never noticed his video had been tampered with? People would keep going to his video, since it's the #1 result for "Tom Sawyer Rock Band" and they'd hear this god-awful "song" in place of Tom Sawyer.

If it weren't for the fact that I glanced over the title of this thread in passing three days ago, I would've never even realized it wasn't his doing. For a moment, I thought someone was trying to pull a rickroll.

If I may make an analogy, it would be like the staff of the FFR forums randomly changing some words in people's posts just because they disagreed with what was written.

I'm almost certain the legal ball is in Harmonix's court on this one, and they definitely love it when people upload videos of themselves enjoying Rock Band, since it generates sales out of other potential customers (hell, I bought it after watching videos of it too. I never played it once before I bought it).

[Svaz]

Re: Removal of YouTube music videos.

Listening to music via youtube is worthless anyway~

[Crashfan3]

Re: Removal of YouTube music videos.

One of my videos had this happen last week.

From now on I'm using http://www.metacafe.com/ to upload any videos I feel should be on the internet, and I'm slowly going to disconnect myself from YouTube.

I honestly couldn't give less of a **** if they are legally right, because I believe that they don't need to do this.
Two years ago they weren't doing this, and music copyright was still such an unnecessary issue then as it was now (remember the lady getting fined over $500K for downloading three albums worth about $50 in 2007?).

So, yeah. I'll be using MetaCafe for now, until they start going bad, then I guess I'll go to Revver or Veoh or something, I dunno.