Definition of Chit Chat

[Phynx]

Re: Let me make something clear.

Show me the threads. I'll show you why I locked them.

They will prove to be an example for others.

A perfect example Squeek, one you JUST locked, about the "bush hides the facts" thread. Now, while the way you perceived it made it pointless of a thread yes, others were looking at it another way. It's not that it was something against Bush or Microsoft or anything, even if it was, that wasn't so much the point. The fact is that someone found a "unicode" problem or however it was you put it. Yeah, maybe this was previously known, yeah, maybe people like you still see this as totally irrelevent, but leave it be for those that find interest in such things. Like me, I had no idea that did that. I for one am a person who likes to know things and threads that show dumb little details like that interest me. So don't be so abusive to shut down everyones conversation about it by locking it. Just let it go.

What I'm saying Squeek is you and a few other mods just need to chill, yeah, you can provide the excellent explanations to these things as you do, but don't just kill everyone's excitement about it by locking the thread and telling everyone off in a prick attitude. Just be more lenient towards what people have to say. You say the forums are about discussion? Well that thread was a perfect topic for discussion, though it wouldn't have provided much, it still had potential. Though you being you, cut it short.

[tsugomaru]

Re: Let me make something clear.

I wouldn't go as far as saying that they are unproductive. In an argument here on the forum, I will stand a strong position with my current stance, but I'm always learning something new when I'm arguing with other people and then next time the topic comes up, I may have switched sides.

However, in an environment like Chit-Chat where the responses are "hey you no ure a *** for likin O-man", it ruins it. It's what ruined the "This Looks Shopped" thread for me as well. So what if some reposted a picture that was posted 300 pages ago? The 10-12 response of "repost of a repost of a repost" is even more annoying.

~Tsugomaru

[Phynx]

Re: Let me make something clear.

Phynx, that thread had no real significance for discussion, expect for something like

omfg lol thats so weird hehe

I don't know, after what Squeek explained about it, I figured maybe it could've led into a bit of discussion about unicode, hell I don't know. If that were the case, wouldn't it be interesting for those who knew it? I sure would like to think so.

[Phynx]

Re: Let me make something clear.

If you wanted to discuss unicode, then the thread subject should be about unicode.

But it wasn't now was it? Do all topics of discussion have to be aptly named in the threads title? Yeah no, that won't ever happen. Discussion can be found anywhere, under any name, by any person.

[Phynx]

Re: Let me make something clear.

Um yeah, actually.

That's how threads are supposed to work.

Aye, that IS how they should work. But you're not gonna sit here and tell me that how it IS. You're just gonna have to live with the fact that titles are not always gonna exploit what the conversation is going on inside the thread.

[Phynx]

Re: Let me make something clear.

Why do you keep bringing up the title?

The point I'm trying to make is that if you want more than one discussion, find a chatroom. Otherwise, in a thread you are supposed to stay on-topic of the subject matter. That's why if you wanted to talk about unicode, the original post should have had some discussion about unicode.

And you are missing MY point. I'll give you an example. That thread we are talking about, the bush hides facts one. It's title was "Bush hides the facts" now just looking at the title most would think it was a conspiracy theory or something to delevel Bush as our president among the many theories. But upon further investigation, the thread actually talked about how that statement transforms into a unicode error. Now, don't you think that instead of creating a WHOLE new thread with the title "Unicode Errors" that you could just use the thread at hand to go deeper into the discussion of Unicode? I mean that's EXACTLY what it was pointing out, even if the OP wasn't aware of this. All I'm saying is that topics as they are can turn into other topics that are spin-offs of the prior. It happens everywhere, in daily speech, in threads on forums, everywhere.

And those topics, the spinoffs, in this case would've went from that statement of bush turning into a unicode error to a conversation as to WHY it does that... just stating this is a result of what might have happened.

[Phynx]

Re: Let me make something clear.

I honestly don't think that the "Bush hid the facts" thread would have developed into a political debate/war.

You're either joking or totally missing the point haha.

[Squeek]

Re: Let me make something clear.

You would have an argument if I deleted the thread. It's still sitting right there. Anyone who uses the "New Posts" feature who haven't seen it yet will still find it.

It's not like a lock kills a thread. Most threads die because nobody cares after thirty minutes of posting. I just quickened the process.

[Phynx]

Re: Let me make something clear.

You would have an argument if I deleted the thread. It's still sitting right there. Anyone who uses the "New Posts" feature who haven't seen it yet will still find it.

It's not like a lock kills a thread. Most threads die because nobody cares after thirty minutes of posting. I just quickened the process.

That's PRIMARILY where your overextension of powers is being used. Let the thread die. Don't "hasten" the process cause you COULD and most of the time ARE just ending a currently ongoing conversation. Hence why people think you're abusing your powers.

[Squeek]

Re: Let me make something clear.

The thread was still pointless whether I let it live or not.

I'd rather kill it when it's over.

Notice how we lock threads where the answer has already been given to the OP? Same theory applies here.

Besides, you said threads. Where are the rest?

[Phynx]

Re: Let me make something clear.

The thread was still pointless whether I let it live or not.

I'd rather kill it when it's over.

Notice how we lock threads where the answer has already been given to the OP? Same theory applies here.

Aye but see you missed my point Squeek. You provided an answer YES, but a very BROAD answer. You mentioned it was due to a unicode error due to a few factors, but it doesn't really go in depth as to why it does that. Now I'm doubtful that kind of conversation would've progressed in that thread but there are those types of threads that do and if you think they are just gonna die and you want to hasten the death of the thread, you might want to reconsider cause it could happen that as you locked a thread, someone was gonna post something very interesting regarding the topic and provide ground for conversation. But since you locked it, you shunned away the conversation at hand and people dislike you as a consequence and you're viewed as an overpowered mod. I KNOW this cause I've experienced this. Whether it was you, Devonin, or some other mod, I have written a good post for a topic that is going on in thread and it was locked by a Mod cause they see it's unfit for discussion while I was typing a reply. You know how annoying that is???

[NFD]

Re: Let me make something clear.

Let it be known that I haven't made a thread about the presidency. I had no need to, because I was for Obama, and I really didn't feel it necessary to argue with somebody who was as sure of McCain as I am of Obama. Too bad they'll have to wait 4 years for another chance, if he McCain doesn't die. He's really, really old, by the way.

[EAGAMES]

Re: Let me make something clear.

Almost every post after the OP ruined the thread and created an almost pointless discussion.

Phynx is kind of right. There's a lot of threads that have potential, and seem insignificant, yet they support discussions. Before you know it, they're locked. Technically, threads should uphold the information contained within through the title, but there's nothing wrong with having a little fun with it as long as it's not off-topic. Though, some threads are just not worth keeping around, and are only useful to raise your post count. Therefore, Squeek is right, too. Everyone is right. >_>

Personally, I think the moderators are doing a good job at cleaning up Chit-Chat from all the idiotic, or pointless threads.

Just putting my two-cents...

[Squeek]

Re: Let me make something clear.

Aye but see you missed my point Squeek. You provided an answer YES, but a very BROAD answer. You mentioned it was due to a unicode error due to a few factors, but it doesn't really go in depth as to why it does that. Now I'm doubtful that kind of conversation would've progressed in that thread but there are those types of threads that do and if you think they are just gonna die and you want to hasten the death of the thread, you might want to reconsider cause it could happen that as you locked a thread, someone was gonna post something very interesting regarding the topic and provide ground for conversation. But since you locked it, you shunned away the conversation at hand and people dislike you as a consequence and you're viewed as an overpowered mod. I KNOW this cause I've experienced this. Whether it was you, Devonin, or some other mod, I have written a good post for a topic that is going on in thread and it was locked by a Mod cause they see it's unfit for discussion while I was typing a reply. You know how annoying that is???

No, because mods can post in locked topics and I've been a mod for three years.

oshi~

Nobody here would delve into the inner workings of Notepad. Hell, how many people here even use Notepad?

The answer is on Google. If anyone cares, they can look it up on Google. That's the other primary reason I lock threads--Googleability. If you can easily find the answer to your thread question with Google, I'm going to paste the link to the Google query used to get the answer in order to make you understand that it was so easy to find out on your own rather than waste space here.

So, phynx.

http://www.google.com/search?&q=notepad+chinese

First result:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notepad#Unicode_detection

The Windows NT version of Notepad, installed by default on Windows 2000 and Windows XP, has the ability to detect Unicode files even when they are missing a byte order mark. To do this, it utilizes a Windows API function called IsTextUnicode()[4][5]. However, this function is imperfect, incorrectly identifying some all-lowercase ASCII text as UTF-16. As a result, Notepad interprets a file containing a phrase like "aaaa aaa aaa aaaaa" as two-byte Unicode text file and attempts to display it as such. If a font with support for Chinese is installed, Chinese characters are displayed.

A few people misinterpreted this issue for an easter egg.[citation needed] Many phrases which fit the pattern (including "this app can break" and "Bush hid the facts") appeared on the web as hoaxes. Experts correctly attributed it to the Unicode detection algorithm.[citation needed]

This issue has been resolved in Windows Vista version of Notepad.

Hey look! Everything you need to know about this bug!

That sure was hard.

Now unless you can show me a real instance where you think I locked a thread incorrectly, stop making off-topic comments.

[Tokzic]

Re: Let me make something clear.

guys what is so complicated about this

just don't make threads that suck and you're in the clear