That's Just Not Right...That's Sick.

[ieatyourlvllol]

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Hey...this thread's supposed to about whether or not it's proper to label and ostracize certain people based on their deviation from social norm, not about the validity of opinions founded on personal conjectures (that manifest in a form interpreted to be an insinuation of truth). You already know very well the mutual impassibility of arguing the latter against particularly obstinate individuals.

Anyways, I think that though the belief that homosexuality deems a person inherently reprehensible is not necessarily -wrong- per se (as is demanded by the concept of freedom of thought), it is usually attributed to the establishmentarianism that arises from the assertive influences of either upbringing or media contact. Thus, I don't think any less of those who hold to such notions, but I do scorn the way in which the world has developed such that the standards have degenerated to the widespread anathematization we see today. Favoring the same gender doesn't make anyone innately evil - just different (in the eyes of so-called "normal" people) to the point that general consensus lends itself to ill-bred bigotry. In any case, homophobia also isn't -wrong-, so to speak, but it certainly does not grant to a person the right to act maliciously towards those they disagree with.

[OrganisM]

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The malicious act is particularly what gets me. People can believe what they want to believe, but it would be rather nice if people actually derived their opinions from some basis in fact. Opinions can differ, but some seem to me better than others based on where they were derived from.

[OrganisM]

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Or that I respect most people, despite their subjective flaws.

You respect bigots.

this is so ****ing ironic it's not even funny holy ****

You're insinuating I'm an ignorant bigot for being tolerant of homosexuality?

[GG_Guru]

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There should be a "do we accept homosexuals in our community" thread for this.

But personally, who cares if the dudes gay, its his choice.

[Fenrirs Nova]

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You're pretty sure based on conjectures drawn from almost entirely irrelevant information. Through this you've shown me you know absolutely nothing. I don't care if any of you think I'm being a whiny asshole. This pseudo-fact has got to stop. Enough FUD, disinformation, and propaganda.

Look, I'm putting in my opinion just like how forums should be. Doesn't matter what you think or I think is correct, it's not going to make as big of a difference to the world as you might think. And going around telling people that they are wrong is stupid. I know for a fact that you do NOT know everything there is to know about this world so instead of invalidating everyone's opinions, please respect them and take them into consideration. You're not the only person on this planet good enough to give or express your opinion on the matter. It's time to be rational...
But I do have to agree with you that people who think gay persons should die and go to hell are being a little bit (calm down) extreme. It is how a person is and as long as being gay does not hurt the individual or anyone else, the matter should just be left alone. (opinion)

[sonic-fast-fingers]

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Also, people please don't go flaming me because I said I don't like homos.

I know this is a serious thread but this made me lol.

[psychopete]

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You respect bigots.


You're insinuating I'm an ignorant bigot for being tolerant of homosexuality?

Isn't it bigotry to hate someone because they're a bigot, as well? Just saying.

[NFD]

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Paradox alert! ^

[TheCookieMonster]

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This also contradicts your whole argument.

I did know something seemed wrong with what I was saying...

but still, no one is sure about this whole thing of "homosexuality" anyways.

I was just proposing a theory... I guess?

EDIT: I don't really like arguments... they have too many loopholes

[OrganisM]

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Look, I'm putting in my opinion just like how forums should be.

Without being based remotely in fact? No.

Doesn't matter what you think or I think is correct, it's not going to make as big of a difference to the world as you might think.

This collective "world" you speak of is made up of approximately 6.7 billion individuals. We are individuals, and if every individual held themselves to a higher standard, obviously the collective would rise to a higher standard. And that's no excuse to be making a piss poor argument. Don't redirect the discussion.

And going around telling people that they are wrong is stupid. I know for a fact that you do NOT know everything there is to know about this world so instead of invalidating everyone's opinions, please respect them and take them into consideration.

I will not respect baseless opinions. If you do not ground it in fact at least somewhat, your opinion is worthless. "I think gay people suck because strawberry jam is sticky!" is not the same as "Homosexuality bothers me personally, and my aversion to it prevents me from accepting it as another person's choice."

You're not the only person on this planet good enough to give or express your opinion on the matter.

Didn't say I was. Don't put words in my mouth. There are a few people whose opinions I do respect here, but they don't seem to post very often in these threads. Most of you, to be quite honest (this isn't an insult) make impossible arguments with poor logic with pseudo-fact. I try to refrain from that, but it seems nobody here cares about making a complete argument and instead reverts to "I have an opinion so it must be valid, and there's no such thing as an invalid opinion! WAHH"

It is how a person is and as long as being gay does not hurt the individual or anyone else, the matter should just be left alone. (opinion)

So if I'm straight, and my love of a woman hurts me and could hurt her, that's okay, but if I were gay and involved with a man in a situation that could hurt us, then it would be totally wrong?

[KA0Z R4VR]

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multi-quote that should be left in the CT forums and not in Chit Chat

Alright, I understand your right to define and critique everyone's argument, but the whole issue itself is opinion. Whether there is a gene that causes "gays" to be gay or nurture is to blame, the OP talked about a situation (fact or fiction) and in the end started stating an opinion that branched off into the rights and wrongs of gay relationships and how society should accept, challenge, or deny sexuality. As you said there are about 6.7 billion individuals in the world. Many of which have an opinion on a general subject. And whether or not they have "baseless" opinion (also known as being bias), they are entitled to that opinion. And for you to point out fallacies like you know every logical reasoning is starting to derail this "chit chat" into a "tl;dr" forum.

[Fenrirs Nova]

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To OrganisM, I have to wonder why you have to be so critical about every(figuratively speaking) word that I say. If all you can do(again, speaking figuratively) is get so serious about a small discussion on the internet, I would rather not talk(figurative) to you.
By deductive reasoning, I've concluded that you have nothing else to look forward to except arguing on this thread and and trying to make yourself seem superior to everyone else. Please just don't reply to this because I know that all I'm going to read is some bollocks about how ignorant and idiotic I am and how I'm such a "bigot" and maybe some other things but I'm going to guess that they will negative comments/statements(I apologize for the run-on sentence). Listen(figurative) to yourself. Who is the ignorant one here(rhetorical question)? I have to resort to explaining almost everything I say since you love to belittle everyone(figurative) that says anything. If you think/know someone is wrong, do some research for yourself (if you feel so strongly about it) and enlighten him or her. (And my opinions were based on things I learned in simple AP Biology class in high school(which is biology 101 in college) and basic high school psychology. I hoped you would have at least a little knowledge on such fundamental subjects.)

Now... Being gay is against the Bible. The Bible says that gay persons should be stoned(rocks thrown at them). I think that is wrong and immoral. It would be nice if we all were in Stage 6 of Kohlberg's moral development but the world will never be that way. The world is not perfect. Nothing is perfect. So as long as there is something that plainly exists-anything at all- it will be flawed in some way. Humanity is flawed so this kind of argument exists. Homosexuality exists and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Period.

[Grandiagod]

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if my child was a furry i'd kill him coma or no coma

[qqwref]

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It doesn't matter whether you think homosexuality is wrong or not, really. That's a matter of opinion. The important thing is how you act when you think someone is doing something wrong. Telling them you have a problem with it is fine, arguing about it is fine, liking them less is fine... but if you, as a private citizen, try to completely ostracize someone, physically hurt them, or even kill them for doing something that doesn't actually hurt you (other than you being bothered by it), you've done something that is objectively wrong. There's no way to justify seriously hurting someone when they haven't done anything to you. I don't think there's any real difference in killing someone for being homosexual and killing someone for being a smoker or having different political views than you or just being someone you don't like.

[KA0Z R4VR]

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To OrganisM exactly what someone needs to say

And for the last line of the post. It's true. 100%. Exists, can't do much about it, and stop being so critical.