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  • boondocks77
    FFR Player
    • Jun 2007
    • 883

    #1

    Do you know English?

    "Rigorous test aimed at newcomers
    TORSTAR NEWS SERVICE
    June 01, 2008 09:48

    Think you speak English? Try this test.


    Find the grammatical (or syntactic) error in this sentence: The standard of living has increased.


    Stumped? Soon, that will count against you if you’re hoping to immigrate to Canada. The rigorous language test that will be a requirement is vital to be fair and efficient with the influx of newcomers or vastly discriminatory and fatally flawed, depending on whom you talk to.


    The correct answer is: The standard of living has risen.


    The grammar questions are among the trickiest in the International English Language Testing System exam, broken into 30 minutes of listening, 15 of speaking and an hour each of reading and writing. Created at Cambridge University in England, IELTS scores from one (“essentially has no ability beyond a few isolated words”) to nine (“appropriate, accurate and fluent”) with a six (“generally effective despite some inaccuracies”) the most common pass.


    The cost and the “one-size-fits-all” test alarms immigration lawyers. In a May 20 letter to Citizenship and Immigration Canada, the Canadian Bar Association calls the time, money and academic rigour of the test a turnoff for people who are fluent in English and French and too hard for bricklayers and plumbers."
    That just blew me away.
    I don't know about everyone, but I didn't particularly catch that phrase error. The school board in my province has a certain English exam (OSSLT: Ontario Seconard School Literacy Test), but that doesn't even come CLOSE to these exams that immigrants have to take, such as the TOEFL. The OSSLT is a test grade 10 students officially take nowadays as one of the several means to earning a high-school degree. But the questions on it are as ridiculous as :
    Which of the following is the most correct?

    a. Snowstorm the outside was strong.
    b. The outside strong was snowstorm.
    c. The snowstorm outside was strong.
    d. Strong was the outside snowstorm.
    (If you picked anything other than c, you don't deserve a high-school degree.)
    Last edited by boondocks77; 06-2-2008, 08:48 PM.
    vagina
  • Relambrien
    FFR Player
    • Dec 2006
    • 1644

    #2
    Re: Do you know English?

    I think my English teacher talked about something like the sentence in question before. Something about "increased" referring to specific numbers, which makes it inappropriate to describe a situation that doesn't involve concrete values, but rather a concept.

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    • Nightfirecat
      ...back from the dead.
      • Nov 2006
      • 3213

      #3
      Re: Do you know English?

      Uhh... interesting.

      And 'The standard of living has increased.' isn't wrong.. It's just a fragment, and not a sentence.

      And I got c. =D

      EDIT: Crap, that's right.. increased refers to numbers...

      Ninja'd anyway.


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      • xrav3
        FFR Player
        • Aug 2007
        • 37

        #4
        Re: Do you know English?

        I Picked D
        it sounds sexy

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        • KlingPosnot
          FFR Player
          • Nov 2007
          • 237

          #5
          Re: Do you know English?

          Eigo o wakarimasen. gomenasai, demo eigo wa tanoshiku arimasen.

          Originally posted by who_cares973
          nothing i say is ever siggy material *sigh* -____-

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          • boondocks77
            FFR Player
            • Jun 2007
            • 883

            #6
            Re: Do you know English?

            Originally posted by KlingPosnot
            Eigo o wakarimasen. gomenasai, demo eigo wa tanoshiku arimasen.
            So both your username and your post makes no sense, your post is in chinese, your avatar has MLK. Very interesting . . . and diverse.
            vagina

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            • KlingPosnot
              FFR Player
              • Nov 2007
              • 237

              #7
              Re: Do you know English?

              Originally posted by boondocks77
              So both your username and your post makes no sense, your post is in chinese, your avatar has MLK. Very interesting . . . and diverse.
              Arigato, ga kore wa nihongo desu. ^.^

              Originally posted by who_cares973
              nothing i say is ever siggy material *sigh* -____-

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              • smartdude1212
                2 is poo
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Sep 2005
                • 6687

                #8
                Re: Do you know English?

                ich habe keine hande

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                • boondocks77
                  FFR Player
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 883

                  #9
                  Re: Do you know English?

                  Originally posted by KlingPosnot
                  Arigato ^.^
                  What I got from that was that you're typing in Japanese.
                  You welcome and goodnight. ^_^
                  vagina

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                  • Xx{Midday}xX
                    FFR Player
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 3518

                    #10
                    Re: Do you know English?

                    Originally posted by KlingPosnot
                    Eigo o wakarimasen. gomenasai, demo eigo wa tanoshiku arimasen.
                    That's wrong. It should be Eigo wa wakarimasen. Gomennasai. Demo, eigo wa tanoshiku arimasen.
                    英語はわかりません。ごめんなさい。でも、英語は楽しくありません。

                    Originally posted by KlingPosnot
                    Arigato, ga kore wa nihongo desu. ^.^
                    Also incorrect. The structure itself is wrong in the standard sense (may be ok in a colloquial fashion).

                    Should be Arigatou. Demo, kore wa nihongo desu.
                    ありがとう。でも、これは日本語です。

                    or

                    Arigatai kedo, kore wa nihongo desu.
                    ありがたいけど、これは日本語です。

                    And wow. English, was more complicated than I thought? Wow.
                    Last edited by Xx{Midday}xX; 06-2-2008, 09:25 PM.
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                    • KlingPosnot
                      FFR Player
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 237

                      #11
                      Re: Do you know English?

                      both structures are acurate in a standard conversational sense...(using ga in the place of demo is actually very common...and using the o instead of wa refers to the actual process rather than the standard english sense of using it as a noun)...but these still would be wrong in a formal sense...you are correct about that. :P (what do you know?...I do speak English!)

                      Edit: you did get me on spelling and punctuation errors though XD

                      Originally posted by who_cares973
                      nothing i say is ever siggy material *sigh* -____-

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                      • xrav3
                        FFR Player
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 37

                        #12
                        Re: Do you know English?

                        He finally speaks english!

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                        • Xx{Midday}xX
                          FFR Player
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 3518

                          #13
                          Re: Do you know English?

                          wo (notice the w, o = お, wo = を) isn't used in that case. wo is used when the subject is about to do something to the referred object. It is also used when looking back at something in a futuristic tense, like when a teacher would go "He won't do his homework."

                          ga and kedo are replaceable, yes, but kedo is more common. ga is a colloquial short form of desuga.

                          Ask jimerax. I'm very confident in my Japanese knowledge. As seen in my signature.

                          英語をわからない。is incorrect in any sense of Japanese. 英語はわからない。is correct.
                          Last edited by Xx{Midday}xX; 06-2-2008, 10:45 PM.
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                          つまんないシグでスマソ(´・ω・`)

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                          • zoogarama
                            I miss travel let me out
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 724

                            #14
                            Re: Do you know English?

                            D. Sounds like the yoda version of english.

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                            • sumzup
                              (+ (- (/ (* 1 2) 3) 4) 5)
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 1398

                              #15
                              Re: Do you know English?

                              The sentence in the article is correct if one goes by generally accepted spoken English, which is where the problem lies. There is too much of a divergence between written and spoken, and when tests come along, students invariably perform worse due to having practiced much more spoken English.

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