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  • Grandiagod
    FFR Player
    • Jul 2004
    • 6122

    #1

    This is frankly saddening

    He who angers you conquers you. ~Elizabeth Kenny
  • JKPolk
    tool
    • Aug 2003
    • 3737

    #2
    Re: This is frankly saddening

    Was the dog's name Frank?

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    • Starshot
      /DJS\
      FFR Music Producer
      • Dec 2004
      • 1794

      #3
      Re: This is frankly saddening

      Here's the petition if you didn't notice on the page:



      I for one will be sending a personal letter to the art museum. I'm not one for PETA-like activism, but in this case, I'll make an exception.

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      • vonfife
        FFR Player
        • Nov 2006
        • 25

        #4
        Re: This is frankly saddening

        This is definately sad. Wtf is wrong with people? There are words used to describe this and art is surely not one of them. Inhumane would be a start. What really adds to the fire is that the artwork inscribed on the walls appear to be made out of dogfood. If I'm right I hope i never meet this artist for his sake.


        Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

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        • rsr2
          Guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurl
          • Oct 2004
          • 1384

          #5
          Re: This is frankly saddening

          Originally posted by Starshot
          Here's the petition if you didn't notice on the page:



          I for one will be sending a personal letter to the art museum. I'm not one for PETA-like activism, but in this case, I'll make an exception.
          I'm going to do the same. I don't know how they could find that art...
          Originally posted by MrGiggles
          "You shouldn't believe what everyone says about me. I took a shower with my cousin, once. And I have racist thoughts."

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          • MixMasterLar
            Beach Bum Extraordinaire
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Aug 2006
            • 5299

            #6
            Re: This is frankly saddening

            WTF is this ****?

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            • pokelda
              ⁽ ´ཀ`⁾
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Jun 2006
              • 3876

              #7
              Re: This is frankly saddening

              INFORMATION ABOUT EXHIBIT
              What he says on his blog (translated):

              I knew the dog died on the following day from lack of food. During the inauguration, I knew that the dog was persecuted in the evening between the houses of aluminum and cardboard in a district of Managua. 5 children who helped to capture the dog received 10 bonds of córdobas for their assistance. During the exhibition some people requested the freedom of the small dog, which the artist refused. The name of the dog was Natividad, and I let him die of hunger in the sight of everyone, as if the death of a poor dog was a shameless media show in which nobody does anything but to applaud or to watch disturbed. In the place that the dog was exposed remain a metal cable and a cord. The dog was extremely ill and did not want to eat, so in natural surroundings it would have died anyway; thus they are all poor dogs: sooner or later they die or are killed.
              For those who stopped reading a couple paragraphs in

              Im not saying that I condone his actions but that was his reasoning

              edit: Oh woop I totally misread this paragraph ignore this post
              Last edited by pokelda; 04-16-2008, 05:46 PM.

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              • devonin
                Very Grave Indeed
                Event Staff
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Apr 2004
                • 10120

                #8
                Re: This is frankly saddening

                There's still some ambiguity in the translation, but is the impression we're supposed to get from this that he let a dog starve to death in front of people simply to prove that if he called it art, people would stand there and watch a dog starve to death instead of doing something?

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                • Demidetirus
                  FFR Player
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 1465

                  #9
                  Re: This is frankly saddening

                  Originally posted by devonin
                  There's still some ambiguity in the translation, but is the impression we're supposed to get from this that he let a dog starve to death in front of people simply to prove that if he called it art, people would stand there and watch a dog starve to death instead of doing something?
                  It's like goddamn Milgram all over again. People find excuses in their heads not to act. What the hell happened to being impulsive?


                  Originally posted by TheGrandInquisitor
                  Who is the boss of you? ME! I am the boss of you!

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                  • devonin
                    Very Grave Indeed
                    Event Staff
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 10120

                    #10
                    Re: This is frankly saddening

                    Apathy is clearly the true opiate of the masses. Nobody wants to move outside their normal lines if it is at all possible. This is how all kinds of travesty happen with nary a dissenting voice. You just tell them that it's okay, and that this does fit into a mold they are already comfortable with so they don't need to act, and they'll embrace whatever you want them to.

                    People are impulsive: Their impulse is to act in a way that ensures their accepted ideal stays going as long as possible.

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                    • devonin
                      Very Grave Indeed
                      Event Staff
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 10120

                      #11
                      Re: This is frankly saddening

                      The problem with giving objective praise to a subjective form of expression is that simply to prove to others in the field that you are properly sophisticated, you won't even point out when something presented as art is -horrible- for fear of seeming uncouth.

                      I'm reminded of the joke about the art aficianado oohing and aahing and offering to purchase what turned out to be the room's light switch. All you need to do is imply that only someone of sufficient sophistication and good breeding could properly appreciate the art you've made and everyone will line up to praise it.

                      I seem to recall a John Stossel 'give me a break' segment where he set up 10 pieces of art, 5 of which were done by noted abstract artists and 5 of which were done by 6 year olds, and exposed the art to a number of art critics and experts to evaluate. The results were pretty much what you'd expect.

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                      • Demidetirus
                        FFR Player
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 1465

                        #12
                        Re: This is frankly saddening

                        Originally posted by devonin
                        Apathy is clearly the true opiate of the masses. Nobody wants to move outside their normal lines if it is at all possible. This is how all kinds of travesty happen with nary a dissenting voice. You just tell them that it's okay, and that this does fit into a mold they are already comfortable with so they don't need to act, and they'll embrace whatever you want them to.

                        People are impulsive: Their impulse is to act in a way that ensures their accepted ideal stays going as long as possible.
                        I meant impulsive enough to break social norms, deviate from the accepted and take an action that they know deep down is right. Not many people can really say that they wouldn't have just walked past that dog, not truthfully anyway- but if people would break that mold and act...Perhaps humanity would become different as a race in some way.


                        Originally posted by TheGrandInquisitor
                        Who is the boss of you? ME! I am the boss of you!

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                        • moches
                          FFR Player
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 3996

                          #13
                          Re: This is frankly saddening

                          That's absolutely horrible. People like that need to suffer in jail for a long, long time.

                          Signing petition right now.

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                          • Touchie_Duckie
                            FFR Player
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 46

                            #14
                            Re: This is frankly saddening

                            That is one sick twisted 'artist.' I signed the petition.

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                            • mellonxcollie
                              Sectional Moderator
                              Sectional Moderator
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 1298

                              #15
                              Re: This is frankly saddening

                              Apparently, the artist intended to prove that people will only pay attention to something if it is put on display. Although there are starving dogs everywhere, nobody cares unless it's put on display like this. According to another site I read, the dog was only tied up for three hours. I guess the artist proved his point, though this might not have been the best way to do it.
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