michael pollack i mean vick

[g4z33b0]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/24/michael.vick/index.html

i understand that dogfighting is horrible, but i seriously doubt that the government really cares about the dogs in this case. the money most likely takes the forefront, and i find this sad.

The charge is punishable by up to five years in prison, a $250,000 fine, "full restitution, a special assessment and 3 years of supervised release," the plea deal said.

Federal prosecutors agreed to ask for the low end of the sentencing guidelines.

though he has been guilty for a long time in the court of public opinion, and many feel that he shouldn't ever play another game in the NFL, i feel the opposite. dog fighting is more prevalent in the south then many people believe, and vick's involvement was relatively small. his actions off the field may give a bad impression of what players in the NFL are like, but he fills the upper level seats and is extremely talented.

opinions on the vick case and situation?

if there is already a thread similar to this one, i'm sorry just merge my post on. but i looked and found nothing.

[madmatt621]

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RICHMOND, Va. -- Michael Vick filed his plea agreement in federal court Friday admitting to conspiracy in a dogfighting ring and helping kill pit bulls. He denied ever betting on the fights, only bankrolling them.
The Atlanta Falcons quarterback is scheduled to formally enter his plea Monday in U.S. District Court. He signed the plea agreement Thursday.

Roger Cossack on plea

ESPN legal analyst Roger Cossack breaks down Michael Vick's plea deal and explains just what Vick is admitting to.


In the agreement, Vick agreed to plead guilty to the first count of the original two-count indictment against him -- that he was part of a conspiracy to operate a dogfighting ring across state lines. The charge carries a potential sentence of up to 5 years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000 and up to three years' probation.

More: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2989824

[g4z33b0]

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that's espn's version of the link i already posted. thanks for your opinion.

[Wootsicle]

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It isn't the dogfighting that will stop him from playing in the NFL again, it's the gambling.

Athletes in sports, such as the NFL, the NBA, and the MLB, who gamble on things like this are frowned upon greatly in the sporting community.

The fact that you say that dog fighting is prevalent in the South doesn't make it OK in the eyes of most of the public. In ESPN's poll, put out just yesterday (I believe), they asked what Vick's punishment from the NFL should be. Over 40% (the largest percentage of any of the choices) said that Vick should be banned from the NFL for life.

Many people, like myself, are disgusted by his actions, and the way that those dogs died.

[g4z33b0]

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i am disgusted by the hanging and drowning of dogs, but like you said, that isn't the main issue. if michael vick denies gambling on dog fights, then i believe him. of course something being prevalent in an area doesn't make it OK in the eyes of the public, there are many examples of this. what i was trying to do was put things in perspective. there are much worse things he could have d one, people kill other people and get away with little to no time in prison, and these cases aren't even reported. of course this doesn't excuse his actions, but it is one way of looking at it.

i admit that vick is extremely foolish by trying to keep it real with his bros from where he grew up, but banning him from the NFL isn't a good solution. if he got back in the NFL it would give him a chance to do the right thing and become a role model, and instead of financing dog fighting he could sponsor educations for his friends.

vick should have chose **** fighting, because at least at the end you can eat the losing chicken.

[Wootsicle]

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If he just simply admitted to doing everything he had done right away, I wouldn't feel so bad about him playing in the NFL again, but that isn't the case. I don't believe anything he says anymore, simply because nothing that he has been saying has been true.

You can believe him when he says he didn't gamble, but I assure you, most other people don't. They have a good reason not to. He has repeatedly lied in the past.. What's stopping this from being a lie, too?

[B0NK]

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National Felons League

[Wootsicle]

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National Felons League

I was about to yell at you for saying that in CT, but apparently this isn't CT (dunno why).


Btw, nice avatar. Can't get enough of Trent.

[g4z33b0]

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not in CT because i wanted to see if CC could actually make posts that make sense. seems like only you and b0nk are capable, i guess the usual CC dwellers are avoiding this thread due to the fact that they are incapable of making any real sense.

there is a difference between not saying you are guilty of a crime before you issue your plea and lying. of course vick and anyone else who is preparing for trial is going to deny or avoid questions about their alleged crimes. i mainly believe him when it comes to gambling because he would have no real motive. he already had money, why bother betting on the fights? he most likely wasn't wholeheartedly behind the operation, rather he was funding it to save face with his friends from his "former life". he had reason to fund the operation, but not to bet on the fights.

[CypherToorima]

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I find dog fighting absolutely horrid. And the fact that murderers occasionally get off with no time is no excuse for letting Vick off the hook. I know you said that, but that perspective just doesn't make sense. All that says is "because some criminals go unpunished, no criminal should be punished." I mean, it's bad enough to let murderers go, so some justice sometimes ought to be welcomed.

Also, I disagree that his involvement was small. He basically funded the whole thing and participated in killing the dogs. I hardly call that little involvement. Even if he never showed up at any of the fights, it seems as though as none of this could have even been possible without Vick's money. I'm not saying there wouldn't be any dog fights, just not the "Bad Newz Kennell".

Whether he was gambling or not, he still committed a crime and should be punished accordingly. In my opinion, he deserves what he gets. I just cannot give him any sympathy whatsoever.

However, I don't really have an opinion about whether or not get gets banned from the NFL. I was never a Falcon's fan, so whether he's there or not doesn't affect me whatsoever. Even if it turns out he scores the game winning touch-down against my team in the super bowl, it's not like his participation positively affected his football skills.

[brianafroguy]

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/24...ick/index.html

i understand that dogfighting is horrible, but i seriously doubt that the government really cares about the dogs in this case. the money most likely takes the forefront, and i find this sad.

though he has been guilty for a long time in the court of public opinion, and many feel that he shouldn't ever play another game in the NFL, i feel the opposite. dog fighting is more prevalent in the south then many people believe, and vick's involvement was relatively small. his actions off the field may give a bad impression of what players in the NFL are like, but he fills the upper level seats and is extremely talented.

opinions on the vick case and situation?

if there is already a thread similar to this one, i'm sorry just merge my post on. but i looked and found nothing.

i agree that the government could care less about the dogs. its just about the money

[mead1]

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i agree that the government could care less about the dogs. its just about the money

As they should. You can't finance a nation on dogs.