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  • evilbutterfly
    FFR Player
    • Apr 2003
    • 5784

    #31
    Re: I'm out of mana.

    Usually when people resort to saying the people they're describing TALK LYK DIS N STUF means they don't have much of a basis for argument. =\

    Really, any game in any genre is going to be similar to other games of the same genre. Same way any two games of football are going to be similar or two fights (even if with different rules) are going to be similar. You could dumb down FPS games and say it's just about shooting, you could dumb down RTS games and say it's just moving units around, and you could dumb down RPGs and say they're just leveling and clicking attack over and over. Just because you don't like the genre and the similarities between the games doesn't mean the games are all clones of each other. It just means you don't like the genre.

    And to say that Japan makes better games than Americans, no matter what, is really ****ing ignorant. You guys obviously just like RPGs, and Japan likes to pump out some RPGs like crazy. There are some things Japan does a lot more of and is therefore better at, and the same goes for the US. For example, I don't think any US-made shmup has been anywhere as good as all the Japanese-made ones. This is probably because I can't think of more than one US-made shmup, and it's old as crap and really exploitable.

    But seriously, every FPS game can be very different. The reason I like the FPS games I do is because I like more complicated, team-oriented shooters. Things like the Battlefield series (where you have to capture points and work as a team) or Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (where you have specific objectives to do with your team) or especially Natural Selection (it's a FPS+RTS blend, it's awesome) are cool because it's not just about how good you are at shooting, but how well you and your team work together. But it's not annoyingly focused on one person like the Capture the Flag modes from Unreal Tournament and Halo. Then there are things like Counter-Strike and Medal of Honor, where it's just a freaking deathmatch whether there are objectives or not. I hate that, especially round-based things because I hate dying and not respawning (I play games to play them, not to sit and watch others while I'm dead).

    All I'm saying is, every game has unique features and things you may or may not like. And even if they were extremely similar, most all of them use different engines and gun systems. Like, I hate CounterStrike's gun system, because the guns are RETARDEDLY UNREALISTICALLY INNACCURATE after the first shot. I liked the old Medal of Honor recoil system, cuz you could correct for it and be accurate constantly if you were good. Most of all, I like games where you look down the barrel of your gun (Call of Duty and BF2 especially). Little things about the game can make it play completely different. There are many layers of differences between FPS games, and if you can't see them then you've gotta be retarded or something. =\
    So I've gone completely slack-ass and haven't done any work on creating games. =(

    In less-depressing news, I got a job for an online business (which sells non-electronic games, of all things!) which has taught me a lot about marketing online and all that jazz.

    So now I'm on Twitter @NoahWright.
    And I write the blog for their website.

    Plus I do cool programming in-house that you'll never see. =O

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    • Squeek
      let it snow~
      • Jan 2004
      • 14444

      #32
      Re: I'm out of mana.

      Hahaha EB.

      Americans can't make video games.

      What the crap are you on.

      You're telling Moogy and Co. not to stereotype, then you do it yourself.

      You guys obviously just like RPGs
      Sure, I like me some RPGs, but in my Gamecube library I have a total of three. This is fewer than 10% of my entire library.

      I cannot believe you think for a minute that American-made games can compete with Japanese-made games. There's not even a contest.

      That's like saying soap operas can compete with anime. There's just no way.

      Ok, I'm not like Moogy and I won't out and say everything from America sucks. I'm just saying the vast majority of non-Japanese titles are terrible, whereas the vast majority of Japanese titles are great.

      Looking through my Gamecube library of 41 games, eight of them are probably American (EA, Activision, etc) and four of those titles suck. The rest were made in Japan and they're all good.
      Last edited by Squeek; 12-4-2006, 10:45 AM.

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      • Tokzic
        FFR Player
        • May 2005
        • 6878

        #33
        Re: I'm out of mana.

        I don't think the American market makes few good games so much as an unforgivable amount of bad games.

        But yeah just because you're an RPG fanatic doesn't mean that American games suck. Actually, in general, the best American RPGs beat the best Japanese RPGs.

        Last edited by Tokzic: Today at 11:59 PM. Reason: wait what

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        • sjoecool1991
          FFR Player
          • Mar 2006
          • 2302

          #34
          Re: I'm out of mana.

          Originally posted by Tokzic
          I don't think the American market makes few good games so much as an unforgivable amount of bad games.

          But yeah just because you're an RPG fanatic doesn't mean that American games suck. Actually, in general, the best American RPGs beat the best Japanese RPGs.
          Agreed.
          Fable is fun but way too short.
          Halo is pretty good.


          Halo 2 sucks.

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          • Pumble
            FFR Player
            • Jun 2005
            • 1301

            #35
            Re: I'm out of mana.

            Originally posted by Moogy
            generic moogy
            Originally posted by ffr
            WHAT DID HE JUST SAY LET'S MAKE LONG POSTS
            ps i like games from nearly every genre

            some games are good

            some games are bad

            omg

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            • Specforces
              Yes
              • Jan 2004
              • 5028

              #36
              Re: I'm out of mana.

              Originally posted by sjoecool1991
              Halo 2 sucks.
              Halo 2's single player campaign mode sucks balls. But the multiplayer, coupled with the power of Xbox live, is amazingly addictive and fun.
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              • Tokzic
                FFR Player
                • May 2005
                • 6878

                #37
                Re: I'm out of mana.

                i meant to ps in that last post

                moogy probably intended to make everyone start whining rofl

                Last edited by Tokzic: Today at 11:59 PM. Reason: wait what

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                • FluorescentArmy
                  Forum User
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 1754

                  #38
                  Re: I'm out of mana.

                  Japan sucks.

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                  • sjoecool1991
                    FFR Player
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 2302

                    #39
                    Re: I'm out of mana.

                    Originally posted by Specforces
                    Halo 2's single player campaign mode sucks balls. But the multiplayer, coupled with the power of Xbox live, is amazingly addictive and fun.
                    Yup, the missions in Halo 1 are amazing and really fun and hard. But the multiplayer isnt that great.


                    And Halo 2 is too easy, and it is also too easy to use glitches to your advantage, such as superjumps.

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                    • MalReynolds
                      CHOCK FULL O' NUTRIENTS
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 6571

                      #40
                      Re: I'm out of mana.

                      What the hell is a "Halo 2"?
                      "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline."

                      "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor


                      My new novel:

                      Maledictions: The Offering.

                      Now in Paperback!

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                      • tsugomaru
                        FFR Player
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 3962

                        #41
                        Re: I'm out of mana.

                        Originally posted by MalReynolds
                        What the hell is a "Halo 2"?
                        "What are you doing Master Chief?"

                        "Sir, causing a pointless cliffhanger causing millions to buy Halo games upon their release."

                        ~Tsugomaru
                        Last edited by tsugomaru; 12-4-2006, 10:02 PM.
                        Originally posted by Hiluluk
                        WHEN do you think people die...?
                        When their heart is pierced by a bullet from a pistol...? No.
                        When they succumb to an incurable disease...? No.
                        When they drink soup made with a poisonous mushroom...? NO!!!
                        IT'S WHEN A PERSON IS FORGOTTEN...!!!

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                        • evilbutterfly
                          FFR Player
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 5784

                          #42
                          Re: I'm out of mana.

                          Originally posted by Squeek
                          Hahaha EB.

                          Americans can't make video games. [It's like every time I forget why I don't like you, you have to remind me.]

                          What the crap are you on.

                          You're telling Moogy and Co. not to stereotype, then you do it yourself. [huh what evidence plz]



                          Sure, I like me some RPGs, but in my Gamecube library I have a total of three. This is fewer than 10% of my entire library. [Good thing I was talking about you specifically and not just Moogy]

                          I cannot believe you think for a minute that American-made games can compete with Japanese-made games. There's not even a contest. [Some of my favorite games are American-made. whoo opinions HARD CONCEPT WOW]

                          That's like saying soap operas can compete with anime. There's just no way. [IGNORANCE ALERT WHOA NOW!! This embodies the idiocy of you people. Just because you don't like soap operas doesn't mean they suck and can't compete with anime. Again, opinions. REALLY hard concept, I know]

                          Ok, I'm not like Moogy and I won't out and say everything from America sucks. I'm just saying the vast majority of non-Japanese titles are terrible, whereas the vast majority of Japanese titles are great. [Well I'm not gonna say you're stupid, but you're an idiot]

                          Looking through my Gamecube library of 41 games, eight of them are probably American (EA [Here's your problem, rofl], Activision, etc) and four of those titles suck. The rest were made in Japan and they're all good.[Good thing 33 Japanese games represent EVERY JAPANESE GAME]
                          Yeah, way to make yourself and everybody with you look even more like an ass. I guess I better just give up because you posted a bunch of tiny paragraphs! Yeah guys, look out, Japan only makes good stuff. I mean, they came out with great stuff like the VirtuaBoy!! They're FLAWLESS!!

                          I don't think the American market makes few good games so much as an unforgivable amount of bad games.

                          But yeah just because you're an RPG fanatic doesn't mean that American games suck. Actually, in general, the best American RPGs beat the best Japanese RPGs.
                          DING DING WINNAR! Especially in the glory days of the Atari, before Japan really hit the game market, America was like WHEEE FLOOD THE MARKET WITH CRAP!! Plus there's always the overly commercial stuff like Shaq-Fu and McKids (which I only found out about today cuz of that angry nintendo nerd video), which are almost(?) always crap.
                          Last edited by evilbutterfly; 12-4-2006, 10:41 PM. Reason: Made my commentary easier to see.
                          So I've gone completely slack-ass and haven't done any work on creating games. =(

                          In less-depressing news, I got a job for an online business (which sells non-electronic games, of all things!) which has taught me a lot about marketing online and all that jazz.

                          So now I'm on Twitter @NoahWright.
                          And I write the blog for their website.

                          Plus I do cool programming in-house that you'll never see. =O

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                          • darkshark
                            Nothing.
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 4189

                            #43
                            Re: I'm out of mana.

                            Originally posted by Specforces
                            But to sit here and try to tell me that Halo 2 is the same game with the same mechanics, slightly tweaked, is complete insanity.
                            Im double majoring in computer animation and game design, i know how games work, and guess what, they are pretty much the same game just tweaked a bit, its just how your mind is interpreting those changes, whether you think it has better gameplay or better multiplayer, really doesnt have much to do with the technical elements of the game, its basically a change of scenery, new character models, throw in a storyline, and some new guns, adjust movement physics a bit and render it with a different rendering engine to give it better graphics, they basically all use the same template. But i know, you're a hardcore halo fan and nothing i say is going to change your mind about it....kinda like religion

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                            • tsugomaru
                              FFR Player
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 3962

                              #44
                              Re: I'm out of mana.

                              Originally posted by darkshark
                              Im double majoring in computer animation and game design, i know how games work, and guess what, they are pretty much the same game just tweaked a bit, its just how your mind is interpreting those changes, whether you think it has better gameplay or better multiplayer, really doesnt have much to do with the technical elements of the game, its basically a change of scenery, new character models, throw in a storyline, and some new guns, adjust movement physics a bit and render it with a different rendering engine to give it better graphics, they basically all use the same template. But i know, you're a hardcore halo fan and nothing i say is going to change your mind about it....kinda like religion
                              THE CHURCH OF HALO.

                              You said what I said, except in a longer way with block paragraphs.

                              ~Tsugomaru
                              Originally posted by Hiluluk
                              WHEN do you think people die...?
                              When their heart is pierced by a bullet from a pistol...? No.
                              When they succumb to an incurable disease...? No.
                              When they drink soup made with a poisonous mushroom...? NO!!!
                              IT'S WHEN A PERSON IS FORGOTTEN...!!!

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                              • MalReynolds
                                CHOCK FULL O' NUTRIENTS
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 6571

                                #45
                                Re: I'm out of mana.

                                Originally posted by darkshark
                                Im double majoring in computer animation and game design, i know how games work, and guess what, they are pretty much the same game just tweaked a bit, its just how your mind is interpreting those changes, whether you think it has better gameplay or better multiplayer, really doesnt have much to do with the technical elements of the game, its basically a change of scenery, new character models, throw in a storyline, and some new guns, adjust movement physics a bit and render it with a different rendering engine to give it better graphics, they basically all use the same template. But i know, you're a hardcore halo fan and nothing i say is going to change your mind about it....kinda like religion
                                So, pretty much by tweaking a whole bunch of major stuff but keeping the same engine/template, the game is the same.

                                I mean, I'm the same guy but if I get 1,000 tatoos and adopt a new persona it'd be the same deal. Same template, but with minor tweaks.

                                No wonder people would percieve me differently.

                                PS: I dislike both Halos. Your arguement is just really flawed.
                                "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline."

                                "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor


                                My new novel:

                                Maledictions: The Offering.

                                Now in Paperback!

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