9/11 Planned or Real?

[Mystik3345]

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Why would the government want to take down the twin towers - the symbol of america, the highlight of NYC. And not to mention killing thousands along the way. And oh, lets slow down the economy and make thousands of businesses go bankrupt. Horray, thats a smart plan!

Anyone who truly thinks it was staged is a terrorist.

[Wilkin]

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To Guido, I'm not saying I live by the video, I just think it brings up some interesting points. It's production has probably been through so much skepticism already that I think that, for the most part, it's realistic. Anyone who put something like that out would know that before they even thought about doing the research. At Afro, I wouldn't put it past the government to know much more than they've ever let on.

For some reason, I see the mixed participation to make the most sense. If the administration felt that the proceeding invasion and war on terrorism was absolutely necessary, then they would need to rally all the support that they could, perhaps even by any means necessary.

[jewpinthethird]

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Why would the government want to take down the twin towers - the symbol of america, the highlight of NYC. And not to mention killing thousands along the way. And oh, lets slow down the economy and make thousands of businesses go bankrupt. Horray, thats a smart plan!

Anyone who truly thinks it was staged is a terrorist.

Sorry, but the Twin Towers are not the symbol of America. In fact, I'd go as far to say that no one cared about the WTC except for the people who worked there (and maybe Stick Stickly), until 9/11 at least.

[GuidoHunter]

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I'm pretty sure the guy did the science in the Loose Change video and it said the steel they used to make the towers wouldnt melt under the heat of a fire.

What's your point? Are you actually using one of the worst arguments conspiracy theorists have about 9/11? Do you not understand why this doesn't matter in the slightest?

And i'm pretty sure I remember him getting some kind of sound clip or letter or something from an employee saying that security guards came in and told everyone to leave for a day or two or something. OMG PLANTING BOMBS IN ELEVATORS.

The point is...the video DOES make somewhat of a point

Yeah, it makes a point. In fact, it makes about a thousand. A thousand terrible points. Long read, but worth it: http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html

If the administration felt that the proceeding invasion and war on terrorism was absolutely necessary, then they would need to rally all the support that they could, perhaps even by any means necessary.

Who said they felt that way before 9/11? NOBODY felt that way before 9/11. We've been attacked by terrorists for forty or fifty years, yet we haven't done anything about it. Most of those were smaller-scale attacks that happened on other continents, so we were content to just roll over and pretend it didn't happen. Then 9/11 came and was the first attack on such a large scale. It was then that we realized that we couldn't put up with the terrorists' **** anymore. No more of this roll over and die and just hope it goes away. No, 9/11 changed the way the world looked at terrorism. Everyone and every administration was FAR too kind to terror in the past, and that's why 9/11 was allowed to happen so easily.

I'm certain that the Bush administration was just like everyone else on September tenth, but after that, they realized that something had to be done, and did it (and still are doing it). So, Bush didn't feel a war on terror was necessary pre-9/11; the way that 9/11 changed the world convinced Bush that it was necessary.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[evilbutterfly]

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My thoughts on things:

The US Gov isn't very honest at times, just like any government. It's their job to keep us happy and content by NOT telling us of major disasters that are out of everybody's control. There are prolly tons of big things that, if everybody knew about them, we'd all be in a panic, because people are panicy and irrational. However, all the secret things the government does have some kind of reasoning behind them. A staging of the 9/11 attacks would make no sense.

Some people say it was used as an excuse to go to war. But really, how long was it between 9/11 and when we actually invaded? If I remember, it was a long freaking time. Even before we invaded, I was like "wtf, why haven't they invaded somebody yet!?" And if it was planned and with the purpose of going to war, the US would have had the military prepared to move out very soon after, so a lag time for planning and preparing wouldn't be needed. Seriously, right after the attacks, people were like "WTF WE NEED JUSTICE KILL SOMEBODY TO MAKE UP FOR THIS ATTACK" but we didn't. They waited until everybody cooled down to make a move, which doesn't make sense in all this conspiracy stuff.

Aside from that, WHY THE HELL WOULD THE US GOVERNMENT STAGE IT? There is absolutely no reason. Governments, with their decisions done by series of people, with overlapping agreement, have to have reasoning. You can't just suggest something in there "for the hell of it" and expect people to go along, especially when that something is blowing up two giant buildings and killing a ton of people.

As for the "omg but look at THIS" stuff. Why would the steel have to melt? Think of like, oldschool medieval smiths. They would heat up metals until they were very warm, and then the beat on them until they bent however they wanted. Did they have to get the metal to its melting point to make it easy to bend? NO! Would the towers have to get to their melting point for the MASSIVE WEIGHT of the upper floors to make them collapse? NO!! That's a stupid argument.

And what Afro said about it going straight down instead of sideways. You have to realize that the skyscrapers in any big city are made to resist disasters. Also, they're designed so that they can be later imploded if a bigger/better building needs to be built. Part of this design is so they don't topple over. Why? Because we don't want one building to fall onto another and make the city into a big domino falling thing.

Oh, and I saw a documentary about this thing a while back, and they talked about some of the planning that went into building the towers. Fact is, they built the towers so that the impact of a plane would not make it fall. They also planned it so that a massive fire wouldn't affect the structural integrity. The frame of the building had this fireproofing insulation around it to keep fires from making the building fall. Thing is, they didn't plan for the dual plane crash + fire that would happen if a plane hit it. What happened was that when the plane hit the building, the impact knocked a lot of the insulation off, which let the fire heat up and weaken the steel. There's nothing weird about how it fell. I don't think either the terrorists nor the people watching as it happened expected them to fall. The people doing it just prolly figured it would be a better attack than the last one (which failed miserably).

On another note: terrorists, by definition, fight a very psychological battle. They make us live in TERROR (hence the name). Blowing up some buildings in the midst of the US randomly scares the **** out of people. We think we're impervious to these things that happen ALL THE TIME in other areas of the world, but this proves otherwise, which has people scared. And because people think the US is invincible to others, they obviously have to blame somebody else. Obviously, let's not blame the government for stopping these people before they did this, oh no. Obviously our government is so good that they not only could have prevented it, but they staged it JUST so we could go to war! YEAH! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!

Seriously, it's stupid. All this just means that those terrorists who did this succeeded in the real goal. Not blowing up the buildings, but making us all paranoid and fearful.

[Patashu]

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I wish no one would ever talk about 'Loose Change' ever again.

[GuidoHunter]

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OMG!!! ur just tryin 2 cuver up teh truth, Patashu!!!!~

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[FluorescentArmy]

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This should be in CT.

PS: My parents saw flight 983 dip in and out of the hills and then so it go down and not come back up. Scary.

[T0rajir0u]

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why would Dylan Avery make this to try and fool people?

Nobody ever said he didn't believe it himself. He's just a conspiracy nut.

[GuidoHunter]

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This should be in CT.

Why? There's no critical thinking about it.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Kilgamayan]

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This should be in CT.

This is the last thing that needs to be in CT.

[Snowcrafta]

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I belive the government is the source of all evil and planned this whole disaster. They did it so corporations across the US could outsource their labor, pay minimal wages and give ridiculous hours to workers, and hire hard working illegal iimmagrants. It was also directly tied into gay marrige as well, as they needed to ensure there would be no way in the future it would happen. After 9/11 there is a conspiracy that taxes were raised, which only applied to the poor, and that there were tax breaks to the rich. Among these events, Iraq is purely a war about oil control in the middle east, and if anyone tries to tell you differently, don't listen. I'm right.

Seriously, the government can even cover up a ****ing BLOWJOB, what makes you think they can cover up a disaster like 9/11?

[_A2P]

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9/11 happened.

That's all that there is to it.

[cC@Zz]

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Easy. The towers never existed. It makes perfect sense. Have you ever seen the Twin Towers in person? Of course not! Nobody did. Ever. Because they didnt exist.

PS. The Moon doesnt exist either.

This is a fact.

lol

[vashthestampede0987]

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why would Dylan Avery make this to try and fool people?

because snape kills dumbledore.