VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC

[the sun fan]

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC

I'm with Aquellex though

The idea that corporations have the power to take away people's rights (to speak in this case) parallel to but outside of the judgment system is disgusting.

Also silencing them only stops them from saying shit.
But if you won't actually talk to them (and ideally change their mind in your case), they will continue wanting to say said shit.
You won't be fixing the actual shit problem, just piling it up and putting it where you can't see it.

It stops their spread of ideas.

[SKG_Scintill]

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC

it'll just get told 'round in private

[PixlSM]

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC

why is this thread still up

[the sun fan]

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC

it'll just get told 'round in private

Where less people will hear it?
Fine with me.

[dAnceguy117]

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC

why is this thread still up

Why lock it?

[Funnygurl555]

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"I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" doesn't seem quite right to me.
I don't wanna die for the KKK's right to be the KKK (please ignore that this is the right to assembly and not the freedom of speech)

me neither, but in a nicer world where all they hurled at colored folks were words, i wouldn't be fighting against their right to exist either

alex jones isn't comparable to the kkk

LOL @ anyone who thinks the dude has an actual message beyond selling useless shit

i don't think anyone was speaking to the value of alex jones's message. posting this makes me question your reading comprehension abilities

[Aquellex]

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC

sorry guys but I wasn't being sincere, I just stole those words from a deleted Glink video

[the sun fan]

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC

me neither, but in a nicer world where all they hurled at colored folks were words, i wouldn't be fighting against their right to exist either

alex jones isn't comparable to the kkk

I mean, nowadays they aren't really doing much from what little I understand.
Ain't what they used to be.
But I get what you're saying.

I do think words are pretty strong though.

[Funnygurl555]

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC

I do think words are pretty strong though.

but whose fault is it when someone becomes violent based on what they hear?

rebecca black received death threats after releasing friday, and that music video was innocuous af

the fact that words can incite violence reflects negatively on our culture but not on those who are speaking

[Ksl33zy24]

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC

Funny thing about this thread topic... Four (4) people in here are banned. lmao (You know what, lmao may have been a bit too much.)

[devonin]

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC

the fact that words can incite violence reflects negatively on our culture but not on those who are speaking

Don't you think it depends on what they say? Why do we have a word for -inciting- violence if there's no difference between it and any other speech that happens to have the consequence of a listener deciding to do violence based on those words?

In order to incite, I'd argue you have to have intent. In the definitions for incitement you have words like 'encourage' 'urge' and 'persuade' not just "say anything regardless of content and have somebody hearing it decide to do violence.

[Funnygurl555]

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Don't you think it depends on what they say? Why do we have a word for -inciting- violence if there's no difference between it and any other speech that happens to have the consequence of a listener deciding to do violence based on those words?

Unless what someone says actually affects the security of other people (i.e. a threat), then no not really.

I personally think the words are still deplorable, but I wouldn't want them to be illegal.

In order to incite, I'd argue you have to have intent. In the definitions for incitement you have words like 'encourage' 'urge' and 'persuade' not just "say anything regardless of content and have somebody hearing it decide to do violence.

I've been thinking about some hypotheticals about who should receive blame for a violent act, and I still wouldn't blame someone who is encouraging, urging, or persuading unless they were assisting with the violent act.

In any case, I don't think this is applicable to Alex Jones anyway

ok that clip made me laugh

[dAnceguy117]

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I've been thinking about some hypotheticals about who should receive blame for a violent act, and I still wouldn't blame someone who is encouraging, urging, or persuading unless they were assisting with the violent act.

I don't think I agree with this on any level

Would you say that they are guiltless in that kind of scenario?

[Funnygurl555]

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I don't think I agree with this on any level

Would you say that they are guiltless in that kind of scenario?

In a legal sense, yes. I'd think they're gross but I wouldn't think they deserved punishment.

edit: i dont think i was being clear so

[rayword45]

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I've been thinking about some hypotheticals about who should receive blame for a violent act, and I still wouldn't blame someone who is encouraging, urging, or persuading unless they were assisting with the violent act.

In any case, I don't think this is applicable to Alex Jones anyway

It's hard for me to say if this is applicable to Alex Jones, but it is definitely applicable to Milo Yiannopodop (who is only relevant in this thread because of OP) and I say yes, that kind of speech (doxxing a trans woman and inciting violence against her for "lulz") should NOT be protected.

I'm Asian, if someone wants to say "all y'all Asians smell bad" or "lol Asians got teh small cocks" I could give less of a fuck, but when someone says "MURDER ALL ORIENTALS!" then I say de-platform, de-platform, de-platform.

Actually I just remembered the bullshit Jones pulled regarding Sandy Hook, so yeah, de-platform. I don't even blame him for the Pizzagate shooting, but I certainly have to blame him for inciting the harassment and threatening of grieving parents what the fuck