VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC

[Aquellex]

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people who complain about the lack of conservatives in academia also believe that women self-select into low-paying occupations because of immutable preferences

[melonpapes]

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people who complain about the lack of conservatives in academia also believe that women self-select into low-paying occupations because of immutable preferences

citation needed

[rayword45]

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what college did u go to bc I go to supposedly a "very liberal" school but I see loads of repubs both in my polisci classes and just randomly on campus nobody is fucking stopping them from talking

[Aquellex]

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the college of youtube

[melonpapes]

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>give sources
>People don't engage with the material you post at all

welp

[mellonxcollie]

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what college did u go to bc I go to supposedly a "very liberal" school but I see loads of repubs both in my polisci classes and just randomly on campus nobody is fucking stopping them from talking

there were plenty of (almost entirely guys) willing to yell out their opinion during class at university of windsor, nobody felt stifled, believe me. Unless things have drastically changed in the past 6-7 years.

[melonpapes]

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the plural of anecdote isn't data but neither is the singular. i think these kinds of classroom environments are more likely to be found in a humanities or social studies field, personally. didn't you study the sciences? i'm not trying to disregard your experiences but I think the kinds of discussions being had given the environment and the timeframe may have been different than say, the kinds of topics that might appear in a college level Philosophy class today. The kinds of topics where disagreeing with certain types of people might place you on the end of a doxxing campaign, or have you labelled as something you're not on campus, etc etc. I think thats part of the "Trump Effect". Its had a major impact on psychology and peoples stress levels. I found this good article: https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...a-13145645.php

As Northwestern University professor Laura Kipnis writes,

"Emotional discomfort is [now] regarded as equivalent to material injury, and all injuries have to be remediated."

Often, these emotional injuries are remediated by backlash at the offending party in the form of harassment campaigns, threats, and overall attacking their quality of life on campus. This is where I believe the fear/stigma to discuss ideas openly on *some* campuses lies.

theres really no way to quantify this data outside of anecdotes that I can find, at least for students. I already linked to studies that claim a 12:1 liberal bias in campus educators in America though. I'd be willing to bet its even worse in Canada by virtue of the majority of our country being more economically and politically socialist to begin with.

[rayword45]

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My experience in a pre-Trump college environment is limited to 2 months, and I know that anecdote doesn't trump statistics, but I'm really struggling to imagine an academic scenario where people are literally doxxed for being Trump supporters.

I can 100% believe most college professors identify as left-leaning but that's a far fucking cry from Trumpettes being silenced

[melonpapes]

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My experience in a pre-Trump college environment is limited to 2 months, and I know that anecdote doesn't trump statistics, but I'm really struggling to imagine an academic scenario where people are literally doxxed for being Trump supporters.

I can 100% believe most college professors identify as left-leaning but that's a far fucking cry from Trumpettes being silenced

i rly rly shouldn't have to look up/point you to all the times ppl have been fired from their job or driven off of sites like tumblr because they didn't do what the left/liberal majority wanted them to do. all the people who brought those stupid ass tiki torches out to rally and got fired from their jobs? remember when JonTron tried to share political opinions and since hes terrible at expressing himself sounded like a big tool and got his voice removed from Yooka-Laylee and went into prolonged hiatus?

of course when its racist dumbasses on facebook it looks good on them. but when its people on tumblr who draw your favourite character "not fat enough" and you start flinging shit at them, hunting them down, and driving them off your platform? these are just two examples i can think of right off the top of my head. of course don't forget our good ole boy Alfred MacDonald who got called in front of his professor/department head and told to simmer down or w/e for raising the point that LGBTQ+ people like himself and his partner at the time get killed/murdered for their sexuality in majority Muslim countries.

b rb gotta poop


edit: maybe they're not being systematically doxxed off campus but they sure make it hard for them to have republican campus groups and meetings

ON CAMPUS - The Isolation of College Libertarians - New York Times

Often it is more overt. When Christina Hoff Sommers, a resident scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, spoke on Bucknell’s campus a few weeks ago, members of the audience shouted her down. During the Q. and A. segment, a professor repeatedly interrupted Dr. Sommers, setting a poor example for students to respectfully disagree with her opinions.

Dr. Sommers was critiquing campus politics and intersectional feminism, so things were bound to get heated. Issues deserve spirited debate. But baseline hostility to conservative thought makes productive conversation difficult.


[...] when educators react so violently to ideas and controversy, they shrink the intellectual space of the university environment. They foster an academic atmosphere in which students refuse to question progressive orthodoxy. Worse, some students shy away from asking questions, knowing the social price they might pay

[...]

At a time of increased political tension in the country, it is also important for colleges to push students to learn how to grapple with different views.

According to this study "conservative students are the most likely to fear that their political views could be criticized as “offensive,” and they are most likely to fear retaliation from professors in the form of lower grades."


and theres no shortage of sentiments being shared that some students with conservative opinions have fears of expressing them on campus

“When it comes to Black Lives Matter and the question of what really is holding back certain communities that mostly consist of people of color, I stay silent. Even though these issues are very important to me, no one wants to hear a white girl talk about race issues, even if my views are fairly pragmatic.”

Article

"There is a girl in the teacher’s college and she works for University Housing, and she fears losing her job if people find out that she’s conservative," Jennifer Custis, president of the College Republicans and political science senior, said. "This isn't just in University housing too. There is obviously a liberal bias with professors, and many students fear that if they express conservatism, it will reflect in their grades."

Article



(6k likes, 4.5k rt)

and then theres some good shit from the ACLU:

[rayword45]

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1. No. There are still public Trump supporters at probably every college (certainly mine) and I'd like to hear one example of a college that banned a Young Republicans group.
2. You had to use JONTRON as an example? The shot he said was actively racist, of course he fucking got fired!

[melonpapes]

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2. You had to use JONTRON as an example? The shot he said was actively racist, of course he fucking got fired!

you had to pick one of my weakest, anecdotal, un-sourced (from the top of my head) and un-expounded on examples to strawman (and so shittily too?)

and in response to your first point, i'll find you something. I can't immediately find any "student groups" being shut down specifically by campus administration. But its hard to run political club based in discourse if your meetings get loudly crashed and staff/security turns a blind eye to the masked punks responsible, or the people you invite to speak have to cancel because of riots and unsafe conditions started by angry opposition wishing not only to silence the other side, but to make sure the other side cannot even convene or hold events in their presence. I'd say if these groups exist, they probably exist somewhere private and outside the scope of campus regulation, because of the aforementioned fear of violent backlash. You probably won't hear of them being shut down by schools by virtue of them having to had move these types of speaking events off campus due to fear in the first place.

edit https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10030

At Columbia university, there were calls to defund and derecognize the Campus Republicans as a legitimate organisation and that their funding is redistributed to student groups "who are targets of this hateful ideology". I think that maybe counts as attempts to ban these groups from campus

[melonpapes]

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[the sun fan]

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If there is a large amount of complaints about Edward Said, that I could understand a little bit, but I am pretty convinced that if people are complaining about Mark Twain, that they are just looking for something to complain about. Complaining about Said is pretty level one for level two, if that makes sense.

I feel for this educator. That was pretty bullshit.

[melonpapes]

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If there is a large amount of complaints about Edward Said, that I could understand a little bit, but I am pretty convinced that if people are complaining about Mark Twain, that they are just looking for something to complain about. Complaining about Said is pretty level one for level two, if that makes sense.

I feel for this educator. That was pretty bullshit.

I don't know what "level one for level two" means. Never heard that phrase before! Hi sunfan!

[the sun fan]

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I don't know what "level one for level two" means. Never heard that phrase before! Hi sunfan!

It's very basic while trying to not be basic, in short.

Again, I am generalizing here, but regardless of your beliefs on orientalism, you can still get something out of what he said. Unless you are someone who knows a hell of a lot about Orientalism or its counterpart, Oxidentalism (no fucking idea how to spell that), I feel like the opinion of "I find Said's material to be seriously offensive enough to launch a campaign to get the teacher who taught it fired" is very shortsighted.