Transgender AMA

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: Transgender AMA

Oh okay. IDK much about gender studies and stuff, so sorry if I'm using terms incorrectly. Why is gender identity not a social construct?

ivy

[MinaciousGrace]

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i mean gravy

[drizzleRomanceGirl]

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someone please ask me something else D:

[MinaciousGrace]

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news flash reality is a social construct

we're all just metanthropromorphized marbles bumping into a deterministic set of pegs as you non-metaphorically fall to death

[MinaciousGrace]

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Back in the day people considered gender to be a binary thing. You were either male or female, and this gender was based on your biological sex characteristics. Nowadays people realize that gender isn't binary, it's a spectrum, and people can land on the spectrum pretty much anywhere.

unsurprisingly the only thing going on in this thread is tautological semantic balloons being twisted into various metaphors or idioms such as chickens and/or eggs and hamster wheels, so I'll do my part. You[people/society] can't realize something about a social construct. You can realize effects or causes or trends or deficiencies in current systems but you can't realize that gender is or isn't something else because society created it, there's nothing external to the definition of it in the conscious frame of society to realize. You can't realize that, actually, there are only 6 languages (i'm warning you don't bring this example up to a linguist.) That doesn't make sense. The biological need for specialization directed early roles of males/females in nomadic cultures. Society created gender as sex became obsolete. It's whatever we want it to be. It exists to allow us a malleable format of an intrinsic biological property that we may adjust as needed. There's nothing to realize about it.

Gender identity is realizing for yourself where you, personally, fit into the gender spectrum of society. The spectrum itself is a construct but your gender identity is something you find for yourself, about where you fit into that construct personally.

Gender identity is what should truly matter for this question, but gender identity is not a social construct.

anything derivative of an existing social construct is by definition a social construct so i don't see where this thread of logic goes or what the point is

oh wait i do it's just thought-acidic pablum to be regurgitated after ingesting any stimulus of thought for fear of retaining any of it

that's definitely not a bulimia joke

actually it is

A lot of people consider themselves to be "non-binary" people. and this just means they either don't believe in the gender binary/societal constructs, or they believe they do not have a place within them and they do not fit society's traditional male/female constructs.

i don't necessarily disagree with you on the general points here but i still think you're an idiot

[MinaciousGrace]

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Oh okay. IDK much about gender studies and stuff, so sorry if I'm using terms incorrectly. Why is gender identity not a social construct?

tbh this is probably the best post in the thread, that's a low bar for the rest of you

i never understood how people who say we shouldn't be defined by traditional gender roles can spend their entire lives defining themselves relative to traditional gender roles with zero self awareness

tl;dr you're all dumb and why do you care so much

[MinaciousGrace]

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someone please ask me something else D:

why aren't people more capable of forcefully advocating positions on this subject

trick question people are stupid

no seriously though it's legitimately baffling to me

[Funnygurl555]

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who hurt you

[Hakulyte]

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Mina is right.

#end of argument

[MinaciousGrace]

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who hurt you

oh sorry i must not have gotten the memo where i wasn't supposed to spend half the thread hammering both incorrectly and pointlessly on syntactic liberties

does this memo also say that we should continue the dynamic where i make rational arguments and you get butthurt because i say something you don't like or are we shivving that

[Funnygurl555]

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jeez dude. i clearly know nothing about this stuff, which is why i'm asking questions. i don't care if you're right or wrong

just learn to be nice or something

i'm not gonna derail drizzle's thread, so i'll refrain from posting more.

[MinaciousGrace]

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Mina is right.

#end of argument

no really though

whenever i see these kinds of discussions and arguments involving the general social fabric (feminism/politics/gender/etc) each side is just making arguments they think are convincing, which makes sense for internal cohesiveness but when you actually want to change things on a larger scale you don't get anywhere

i don't get it

if you want to argue that gender needs to expand beyond the biology it was based on and that society at large should accept this you need to be able to have a coherent argument that can't be picked apart with semantic quibbling

there are churdturds out there who actually think the entire concept of being trans is just a giant liberal lie so that people can play peeping tom in the women's bathroom

sure the idea that "GENDER IS WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO BE" plays well in some circles but when you make that argument without any substantive logical threads attached you just reaffirm in their minds that this is just a giant joke

it also doesn't help that a significant number of lgbtq activists will immediately shut down at any mention of biological differences, i mean, that's understandable to a certain degree, but it really doesn't help when you refuse to entertain basic biological facts that are the foundation of the existing structures of society you want to change

[Moria]

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I stick to the word sex rather than gender to save the sociocultural shitstorm of confusion caused people expressing their identity. can't fuck with a dichotomy but people are free to be what they want if their gender is important to them i guess who cares

[Hakulyte]

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if you want to argue that gender needs to expand beyond the biology it was based on and that society at large should accept this you need to be able to have a coherent argument that can't be picked apart with semantic quibbling

Gender doesn't need to be expanded, I believe it just needs to be understood better.

Well, I'm afraid I won't be able to argue with you unless I make up a system that could potentially be meaningful. (there's probably better already with advanced diagnostics)

So, let's assume someone has gender dysphoria, but everything is in their head and there's nothing that would be helpful to move forward.
I would ask that person to fill a form.
It would be a paper that's asking for multifactorial elements that are related to the appearance of gender dysphoria.
That someone shall declare that they are invested into a specific gender and that they want to sign up a "proclamation of gender misalignment".
This would later on be analyzed by a gendertherapist who would meet up with said person and reaffirm that the intentions are the source and not some remnants of another issue.

If the gendertherapist can break the logic to the point where the patient's perspective become invalidated, they wouldn't be able to continue on.

The paper would contain the following:

A) When did you notice gender dysphoria started ?
B) How did it affect your life ?
C) Can you make connections with the past and the present about why you feel that way ?
D) Is there issues that could lead to this reality being a false positive ? (doubts/concerns)
etc. etc.

Basically, all of this is supposed to help understand the person's gender identity/perspective about themselves while being here to make sure they filter information properly.
It would force the person to develop on events/experiences and reach a more solid ground.

Once you're past that point assuming the practice has good standards/conventions/ethics that I have yet to explain in details, you should be in a good spot.

Now, why am I saying all of this ?

It's because gender identity "in the transgender context" is affected by how you view yourself and how you view yourself can be affected by how you view society and role models etc.

By asking you to write up a lot of information about yourself, the data can be read to have a general grasp of where the person's life at and what are their intentions.

I don't like thinking about gender identity being a social construct because the moment you look outside of your own country, you can see multiple different realities.
That is wrong tho and it doesn't really matter either way. It's just the good old nature vs nurture debate.
As long as your motivations are the right ones, this shouldn't matter.

I personally believe in a more eclectic approach than just relying on society, but both are valid. Preferably together.

So yeah, I guess I haven't managed to come up with some badass system that's better than the current one, but if you wanted a quick chit chat response to entertain yourself go ahead.

[komochii]

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Apparently hormones are just social constructs and estrogen and testosterone are the same thing