The election

[yo man im awesome]

Re: The election

People bitch about politicians always lying and not delivering on their promises then they act like Trump is going to deliver on his. Pick one belief or the other people please.

People don't elect politicians on the belief that they're not going to follow through with their promises. People elect them because they WANT them to, and proceed to be disappointed when they don't.

People are very, very afraid, because while Trump couldn't double-back on his word on everything he's ever said any faster, that fact makes him even more so unpredictable, and we can only act on the assumption that his campaign rhetoric is what he actually wants. And his lack of prior presence in politics gives us no inclination that he'll follow the same trend as the rest of them.

[yo man im awesome]

Re: The election

An important reality check has come out of the election: Just because something isn't happening to you, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

-Martin Niemöller

[korny]

Re: The election

An important reality check has come out of the election: Just because something isn't happening to you, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

-Martin Niemöller

holy fear mongering batman!

[korny]

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like, in what context are you posting that ymia? If i didn't know any better it sounds like you're trying to say it's something to the effect of this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIpyGQxa2ZY

absolute nonsense if so

[rayword45]

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the riots are fucking idiotic and the people rioting should be in jail
peaceful protesting is one thing, but come the fuck on

(Not actually about Trump specifically nor really targeted at you)

When people make this statement, what do they want from the rioters? To actually "peacefully protest" or to shut up and accept what they're served? I protest a lot and while I've never been prone to violent rioting I have a handful of friends more willing to fuck shit up than I am if they believe the situation calls for it. Usually when I hear this argument (and it is VERY often), the person saying it usually seems to think MLK Jr was a hand-holding hippy who worshiped the white community.

I don't think mindless violence will accomplish anything (and in regards to Trump that goes for both sides) but what the fuck do people mean when they say "peaceful protesting"? Living in the city teaches you quickly that holding hands, singing songs and brandishing your "Love Trumps Hate" signs WON'T ACCOMPLISH JACKSHIT. Change only comes when people actually shake shit up.

I don't support ransacking or looting or actual violence, but a successful "peaceful protest" (at least IME the protests that actually get legislation signed) still requires you actually shake shit up like chain yourself to a building or illegally sit inside an office until arrest.

And with that in mind, I don't think Trump supporters would even support true peaceful protesting (hurr hurr guns hurr hurr hypocrisy) because aren't we supposed to "fall in line" now? However, also as it stands, I think true peaceful protesting would accomplish just as much as rioting currently is (albeit with less property damage) and I think it'd accomplish as much as it did for the Obama birther movement. There's no point of wasting energy this early.

[Charu]

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When I hear of riot, I think of destruction like burning buildings, cars, flags, and apparently replica's of Donald Trump. Oh, and also smashing cars and looting, have to have those!

When I hear protest, I think of people doing annoying shit like blocking some pathways, causing a scene in some random street, chanting outside a business, Or just... as plain as I can be, be that annoying asshole that makes people's daily lives harder to do.

You can tell which one is the difference here, lol.

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For the record, I also don't think a peaceful protest works out most of the time. Unless your view of "peaceful" is what I just described above, heh. When I hear that, I think of people gathering in a random space that's not disrupting anyone's lives. That's the worst you can do to make a message (you'll get very few responses).

[inDheart]

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hey hey, apparently people are photoshopping protest pics, so that's cool

[rayword45]

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For the record, I also don't think a peaceful protest works out most of the time. Unless your view of "peaceful" is what I just described above, heh. When I hear that, I think of people gathering in a random space that's not disrupting anyone's lives. That's the worst you can do to make a message (you'll get very few responses).

Yeah I tend to synonymize "peaceful" and "non-violent" in this case. By your definition, I 100% wholeheartedly agree that a peaceful "protest" is absolutely useless, just pure hippy circlejerking.

However, that's what a lot of people seem to expect out of a non-violent protest and they get angry otherwise.

[Rapta]

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hey hey, apparently people are photoshopping protest pics, so that's cool

source? example?

[rayword45]

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*salt incoming*

I personally believe anyone rioting in Florida deserves an immediate pardon on the ground that old people suck.

[devonin]

Re: The election

This thread is starting to devolve. Try to keep it pointful and civil.

[choof]

Re: The election

(Not actually about Trump specifically nor really targeted at you)

When people make this statement, what do they want from the rioters? To actually "peacefully protest" or to shut up and accept what they're served? I protest a lot and while I've never been prone to violent rioting I have a handful of friends more willing to fuck shit up than I am if they believe the situation calls for it. Usually when I hear this argument (and it is VERY often), the person saying it usually seems to think MLK Jr was a hand-holding hippy who worshiped the white community.

what I want from rioters is to calm the fuck down and protest peacefully. looting and rioting does nothing to advance your point, all it does is make people pay attention to you and stereotype you as violent thugs. peaceful protesting should always, always, be about dialogue. what the fuck is the dialogue put forth by violence? to fight fire with fire.

I don't think mindless violence will accomplish anything (and in regards to Trump that goes for both sides) but what the fuck do people mean when they say "peaceful protesting"? Living in the city teaches you quickly that holding hands, singing songs and brandishing your "Love Trumps Hate" signs WON'T ACCOMPLISH JACKSHIT. Change only comes when people actually shake shit up.

yeah no shit shaking things up is the way to go, but like you said,

I don't support ransacking or looting or actual violence, but a successful "peaceful protest" (at least IME the protests that actually get legislation signed) still requires you actually shake shit up like chain yourself to a building or illegally sit inside an office until arrest.

ransacking, looting, violence does nothing. beating the shit out of trump supporters does nothing. it's a net negative.

And with that in mind, I don't think Trump supporters would even support true peaceful protesting (hurr hurr guns hurr hurr hypocrisy) because aren't we supposed to "fall in line" now?

how many people voted for trump? what are the chances that all of them aren't open to real dialogue? don't let the internet alt-right shitlords get you upset. not all trump supporters are pieces of shit. just like not all hillary supporters are pieces of shit.

there are good people on both sides. those good people need to start talking, not sending each other death threats.

[korny]

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Try to keep it civil.

don't let the few trump supporters on ffr get you upset because they're huge shitlords

Hey now, let's keep it civil, choof. Love trumps hate

[choof]

Re: The election

same

[rayword45]

Re: The election

yeah no shit shaking things up is the way to go, but like you said, ransacking, looting, violence does nothing. beating the shit out of trump supporters does nothing. it's a net negative.

So long as we're in basic agreement here I'm satisfied. The term "peaceful protesting" leads to too much confusion when people equate it to meaningless, aimless jam-band bullshit.

how many people voted for trump? what are the chances that all of them aren't open to real dialogue? don't let the few trump supporters on ffr get you upset because they're huge shitlords. not all trump supporters are pieces of shit. just like not all hillary supporters are pieces of shit.

there are good people on both sides. those good people need to start talking, not sending each other death threats.

I'd agree with this except at the moment Trump hasn't DONE anything to protest yet (besides pick a shitty cabinet?). This is me though, I just can't see the point of protesting, violent or non-violent, when NOTHING is gonna come from it before January (unless you actually believe the anti-Electoral College protests have a chance LMFAO yeah right).

When Trump has some power to actually, like, fuck up the Paris Agreement at the very moment then yeah it's time to start shaking shit up but right now it's just pointless and won't change shit.