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  • Reincarnate
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    • Nov 2010
    • 6332

    #91
    Re: orlando shooting

    Originally posted by Rojaf


    there's clearly a problem with TSA, but the numbers don't lie.
    Those numbers seem to apply worldwide, not just for the US.

    To verify this you can cross-reference those sums with their own database here: https://aviation-safety.net/database....php?Event=SEH

    I scraped the data (because their website doesn't really let you drill down on things). Here are the stats for casualties in a hijacking during years when at least one hijacking occurred (as of present-day) within the US category as per the website:

    Code:
     
    2003		0
    2001		265
    2000		0
    1996		0
    1994		0
    1993		0
    1992		0
    1991		0
    1990		0
    1989		0
    1987		0
    1986		0
    1985		0
    1984		0
    1983		1
    1982		0
    1981		1
    1980		0
    1979		0
    1978		0
    1977		1
    1976		0
    1975		1
    1974		2
    1973		0
    1972		4
    1971		2
    1970		1
    1969		0
    1968		0
    1965		0
    1961		0
    1960		1
    1959		0
    1958		0
    1954		1
    
    Total     280
    You can add 43 to 1987 and 44 to 1964 if you want to include two instances where the deaths were caused by a disgruntled employee and a passenger, respectively (which according to this website don't count as hijackings, but I think they should be mentioned anyway):



    You can also add some 2000+ casualties to the year 2001 to include ground deaths during 9/11.

    The overall picture is still the same, in my opinion: Casualties from airline hijackings are pretty rare in the US. 9/11 was just an extremely tragic outlier.

    Even so, post-9/11, a lot of airlines started to reinforce cockpit doors and lock them in-flight, which has shown to be relatively successful in thwarting hijack attempts, in addition to the heightened awareness of passengers/crewmembers.

    I'd say that's done a lot more for security than anything involving TSA procedures. On the whole, the TSA has been a huge waste of money -- a massive cost with little to show for it. They fail almost all of their security audits regularly.
    Last edited by Reincarnate; 06-16-2016, 01:13 PM.

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    • Rojaf
      FFR Player
      • Sep 2013
      • 131

      #92
      Re: orlando shooting

      Originally posted by adlp
      islam is the problem





      fojar your loonwatch stats stopped at 2005

      it's hard for the US to be attacked in the first place. but look at islam in the rest of the world. pick any year



      also the gun control narrative is exaggerated

      http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/06...ttered-anyway/
      oh i'm not arguing about assault rifles. any semi automatic is a semiautomatic.

      doesnt matter if you call it a hunting rifle or an assault rifle.



      it's about better background checks, maybe letting the CDC do studies about gun violence so that we can come up with informed solutions that can target problem areas without restricting lawful access to guns.

      there are some very, very easy first steps. they may make it so that you have to wait an extra week to get your gun, but a small inconvenience is worth way, way less than human life.


      https://theangriestman.wordpress.com/

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      • Rojaf
        FFR Player
        • Sep 2013
        • 131

        #93
        Re: orlando shooting

        Originally posted by Reincarnate
        Those numbers seem to apply worldwide, not just for the US.

        To verify this you can cross-reference those sums with their own database here: https://aviation-safety.net/database....php?Event=SEH

        I scraped the data (because their website doesn't really let you drill down on things). Here are the stats for casualties in a hijacking during years when at least one hijacking occurred (as of present-day) within the US category as per the website:

        Code:
         
        2003		0
        2001		265
        2000		0
        1996		0
        1994		0
        1993		0
        1992		0
        1991		0
        1990		0
        1989		0
        1987		0
        1986		0
        1985		0
        1984		0
        1983		1
        1982		0
        1981		1
        1980		0
        1979		0
        1978		0
        1977		1
        1976		0
        1975		1
        1974		2
        1973		0
        1972		4
        1971		2
        1970		1
        1969		0
        1968		0
        1965		0
        1961		0
        1960		1
        1959		0
        1958		0
        1954		1
        
        Total     280
        You can add 43 to 1987 and 44 to 1964 if you want to include two instances where the deaths were caused by a disgruntled employee and a passenger, respectively (which according to this website don't count as hijackings, but I think they should be mentioned anyway):



        The overall picture is still the same, in my opinion: Casualties from airline hijackings are pretty rare in the US. 9/11 was just an extremely tragic outlier.

        Even so, post-9/11, a lot of airlines started to reinforce cockpit doors and lock them in-flight, which, has shown to be relatively successful in thwarting hijack attempts, in addition to the heightened awareness of passengers/crewmembers.

        I'd say those two things have done a lot more for security than anything involving TSA procedures. On the whole, the TSA has been a huge waste of money -- a massive cost with little to show for it. They fail almost all of their security audits regularly.
        yeah, fatalities are rare on hijackings, and 9/11 was definitely an outlier, but because of the post 9/11 reforms hijackings period have gone down, and the chance of another 9/11 has gone way down.

        i'm not arguing that TSA is perfect or even good. what i am arguing is that in the case where airplanes were used for terror, we did something about it

        one part worked, the other part is questionable. but we did something.

        when it comes to guns used for terror bought freely and easily by terrorists on american soil we do nothing. absolutely nothing. how is the convenience of being able to walk out of a gun show with a gun worth more than human lives?


        https://theangriestman.wordpress.com/

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        • Rojaf
          FFR Player
          • Sep 2013
          • 131

          #94
          Re: orlando shooting

          btw i'm a gun owner and while i like guns i like people being alive more, and any background check stuff would only make it take a few extra days for me to get any new gun. i can wait. it's not like the range is going anywhere.


          https://theangriestman.wordpress.com/

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          • choof
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            • Nov 2013
            • 8563

            #95
            Re: orlando shooting

            Originally posted by adlp
            islam is the problem
            radical islam*
            your judgment is ultimately clouded by your conservative views
            i rly hate to say it like that but that's how it is

            every religion in the history of humanity has had outliers, radicals that take their religion to the next level and start killing a bunch of people in the name of their god(s)

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            • choof
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              • Nov 2013
              • 8563

              #96
              Re: orlando shooting

              Originally posted by korny
              Except it's totally an Islam issue. If hatred and death toward the infidel weren't some of the most intrinsic and eloquently written parts of the Quran I would agree with you, but they are, and while a majority of a religion consisting of 1.6 billion people interpret the scripture differently, a minority consisting of over a hundred million do and are incentivized and undeterred by anything by way of their 72 Virgin wife paradise.
              oh

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              • choof
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                • Nov 2013
                • 8563

                #97
                Re: orlando shooting

                Originally posted by Reincarnate
                not watching but that second post of mine is basically a start of a paradigm shift

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                • korny
                  It's Saint Pepsi bitch
                  • May 2004
                  • 4385

                  #98
                  Re: orlando shooting

                  Originally posted by choof
                  every religion in the history of humanity has had outliers, radicals that take their religion to the next level and start killing a bunch of people in the name of their god(s)
                  True, but the popular ones have had many centuries more to learn how to integrate into modern society than Islam and quite frankly, we can't sit around for a few more centuries for Islam to get its act together on the world stage. The implications are far too severe.

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                  • kommisar
                    Dark Chancellor
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                    • Jun 2005
                    • 7327

                    #99
                    Re: orlando shooting

                    I rather think of this as a mental health issue more than a religious one.


                    also
                    given the % of christians that push anti-gay bills still I disagree with religion entirely based on the forceful nature of their ideologies.


                    anyways, I genuinely hope the victims' families get some closure on this. idk how many mass shootings america needs before considering gun control seriously

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                    • adlp
                      FFR Veteran
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 1757

                      #100
                      Re: orlando shooting

                      Originally posted by choof
                      not watching but that second post of mine is basically a start of a paradigm shift
                      yeah there's a lot of bad guys

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                      • korny
                        It's Saint Pepsi bitch
                        • May 2004
                        • 4385

                        #101
                        Re: orlando shooting



                        Not to overuse sam Harris while discussing the issue, but I've been following this particular issue pretty closely for a while now and him and Douglas Murray are some of the very best out there right now speaking honestly about this issue. Islam is the problem, and for those with liberal views especially, I encourage you to really take a step back and just look at this from a slightly different angle. Other variables like reach said can be attributed to what happened, but ultimately islam is the problem, and it is indeed analogous to cutting off the heads of the hydra to address anything else including gun control and mental health.
                        Last edited by korny; 06-17-2016, 06:12 PM.

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                        • choof
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                          • Nov 2013
                          • 8563

                          #102
                          Re: orlando shooting

                          Originally posted by kommisar
                          idk how many mass shootings america needs before considering gun control seriously
                          this isn't rly a gun issue

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                          • Funnygurl555
                            T-Force's Rival
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 1865

                            #103
                            Re: orlando shooting

                            I'm too lazy to read this whole thing, and also I should do homework, but I don't agree with a few things here. Radical Islam is a problem and should be addressed, but it is not the problem. In the end, the shooter bought his gun easily because of lax gun control laws. This should mainly be a conversation about gun control. Radical Islamists commit terrorist acts, but they are not the biggest threat to North Americans.



                            i think someone already linked the pi graph in there right i'm not sure but still this is true

                            The Middle East has tough laws against homosexuals, but look at Christian African countries too. Same stuff. It's not Islam, it's the fact that the Middle East is mainly ruled by theocratic governments who interpret the religion too literally.

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_r...expression.svg

                            i would write more but ugh i should've read this yesterday and not while i'm studying for a test gosh darn
                            maybe i'll do this later but i wanted to put something up before the thread went deddo
                            Last edited by Funnygurl555; 06-17-2016, 08:26 PM.
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                            Can you like not use those stupid names right now? Took me long enough to get these screen names straight in my head
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                            GET DUNKED FUNNY
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                            • korny
                              It's Saint Pepsi bitch
                              • May 2004
                              • 4385

                              #104
                              Re: orlando shooting

                              Originally posted by Funnygurl555
                              I'm too lazy to read this whole thing, and also I should do homework, but I don't agree with a few things here. Radical Islam is a problem and should be addressed, but it is not theproblem
                              Yeah, that seems to be a pretty common problem both being either too lazy and/or uninformed so maybe you should watch any one of the videos posted by myself or reincarnate and tell me what your thoughts are on them before outright saying it is not the problem. The video I just posted is probably best though as it addresses exactly what you just said

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                              • Red Blaster
                                Bridge Burner
                                • Jun 2011
                                • 2040

                                #105
                                Re: orlando shooting

                                This happened a few days ago:

                                Non-Muslim, active duty (hopefully not for much longer) USMC.

                                So this is clearly a topic that covers a broad range of issues ranging from radicalism, mental health, bigotry and to some extent guns and gun regulation.
                                Originally posted by hi19hi19
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                                Originally posted by choof
                                hey great contribution to the thread cucklord the exit's up in the top right of your screen, it's called "log out"
                                Originally posted by Funnygurl555
                                what's a milky christmas :O

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