orlando shooting

[Rojaf]

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@rojaf: About that loonwatch graph. I saw that one before, but it's forgetting something very important.

From your link:

Although there may not be a surprising amount of Muslim-related attacks, the ones that did happen caused significantly more casualties.

But I don't think that reacting to terrorism with a feeling of terror is a good idea.

absolutely. the terror attacks of september 11th are by far the most devastating.

but the idea that most terror attacks in the US are perpetrated by muslims is just wrong. you cant use a high death toll to argue that support for terrorism is widespread. you can use it to say that islamic terror is more deadly and i would never argue that point. but there's a big difference between the two, and you cant use one to prove the other. and statistics say that islamic terror is not widespread, and is not widely supported (especially isis).

there is a lot more support for hamas and hezbollah which while still wrong is a completely different issue for a completely different thread, since it doesn't really affect americans.

[ULTIMEGA]

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absolutely. the terror attacks of september 11th are by far the most devastating.

but the idea that most terror attacks in the US are perpetrated by muslims is just wrong. you cant use a high death toll to argue that support for terrorism is widespread. you can use it to say that islamic terror is more deadly and i would never argue that point. but there's a big difference between the two, and you cant use one to prove the other. and statistics say that islamic terror is not widespread, and is not widely supported (especially isis).

there is a lot more support for hamas and hezbollah which while still wrong is a completely different issue for a completely different thread, since it doesn't really affect americans.

I totally agree with this, and I have a support statement to that. Terrorism is a pretty touchy subject for most people, especially for the ones that really do not like talking about it. But it gives us something TO talk about in the first place, regardless of what form it takes. That's not to say terrorism is being promoted here, but the event was pretty bad. Although minuscule in comparison to 9/11 (which people are still talking about, by the way) it's still pretty devastating on the LGBT community, or ANY community for that matter.

As an added point, terrorism isn't just caused by Muslims. Anyone can cause terrorism, regardless of their race, religion, or beliefs. If they can think it, then it can be entertained as terrorism, and it's not just Muslims that are capable of such. Regardless if it was a Muslim, a white guy, a Latino, or any other race, Terrorism is Terrorism, regardless of how small or grand.

[Rojaf]

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=46nh8_...st_app=1&app=m

i would watch that video but it's linking me away from youtube?? to some weird site so no.

if you want to summarize or find a version of it that is actually on youtube then fine

[YoshL]

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he linked a mobile youtube video

[Rojaf]

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I find it highly amusing that the narrative around this shooting is literally already about gun control and that it's apparently all white people's fault.
Holy shit get it together liberal media, this is the kind of jumping to conclusions that makes people vote for Trump.

That said, my heart goes out to those affected.

yeah and september 11th had nothing to do with airplanes which is why airtravel stayed exactly the same after september 11th and we have had so many repeats of the september 11th attacks. oh wait it's the opposite of that.

[Rojaf]

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This feels to me like it's a "gun control issue" in the same way 9/11 was an "airplane issue" or the Boston bombing was a "pressure cooker issue"

yeah, again, we changed airplane regulations and procedures following september 11th so you're arguing that we should change gun control regulations? cool. same page.

[Reincarnate]

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One personal annoyance: I have so much that I want to say on this subject as a whole, but every time I start typing, it turns into a fucking essay that I know nobody is going to read.

I guess maybe that's part of the problem, though: Addressing all this stuff in detail is hard because the problem itself is large and complex.

[Red Blaster]

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I guess maybe that's part of the problem, though: Addressing all this stuff in detail is hard because the problem itself is large and complex.

You've hit the nail on the head.

[hi19hi19]

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yeah, again, we changed airplane regulations and procedures following september 11th so you're arguing that we should change gun control regulations? cool. same page.

Oh yeah, because the improved "airport security" measures have that amazing 95% failure rate and are therefore amazing at catching possible threats and are a great use of resources.

You're the one arguing that "some terrorists are Muslim" doesn't imply "all Muslims support terrorism" (which I agree with) then you turn around and completely fail to apply the same logic to "some ineffective airport security have been put in place" and the fact that does not imply "those measures are entirely responsible for a recent lack of major aviation terrorist attacks"

Glad to hear security theater has its supporters still.

[Rojaf]

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Oh yeah, because the improved "airport security" measures have that amazing 95% failure rate and are therefore amazing at catching possible threats and are a great use of resources.

You're the one arguing that "some terrorists are Muslim" doesn't imply "all Muslims support terrorism" (which I agree with) then you turn around and completely fail to apply the same logic to "some ineffective airport security have been put in place" and the fact that does not imply "those measures are entirely responsible for a recent lack of major aviation terrorist attacks"

Glad to hear security theater has its supporters still.

yeah there's probably no correlation:

https://aviation-safety.net/statistics/period/stats.php?cat=H2

there's clearly a problem with TSA, but the numbers don't lie.

not saying that better gun control would fix everything, because it wouldnt, but it has to be better than what is happening now because right now this shit is broken.

[adlp]

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islam is the problem

fojar your loonwatch stats stopped at 2005

it's hard for the US to be attacked in the first place. but look at islam in the rest of the world. pick any year

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

also the gun control narrative is exaggerated

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/06/14/fact-check-ar-15-wasnt-used-orlando-wouldnt-mattered-anyway/

[adlp]

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yeah wouldn't want to get into the millions of gay people oppressed and killed in african countries because of gay laws pushed by american christians now would we

we could get into it. and we'd find out that there weren't millions being killed by christians. plus, even if you can find a statistic on homosexual deaths by african countries, which i hope you do, make sure it doesn't include all the muslim majority countries in africa that are swift to execute.

also afaik american christians dont push for anti homosexual laws anywhere in africa. if there were christian groups involved, it would probably be from the religious europeans.

[tosh]

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also afaik american christians dont push for anti homosexual laws anywhere in africa.

Take a second to look up Scott Lively and read how he pushed for Uganda's current anti-lgbt laws.

[kommisar]

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^^^^


also I don't agree with any religion so that's a debate I shouldn't really get into anyways out of respect.


cities in the maritimes here held vigils and it was really crowded. super nice to see.

Halifax:


Moncton and Fredericton both had one two days ago as well

[scusethetude]

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Yep, largest mass shooting in the city I live in . It was a rough weekend. I know a few people that had their friends die. I went to the vigil at UCF yesterday. It helped the healing process. I've been smiling at others more and have been getting more smiles back.