orlando shooting

[j-rodd123]

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really disgusting and sad act. 50 is such an unimaginable number, really is tragic. sorry to everyone in this thread who has mentioned they were personally affected by this, stay strong

[DissonantMuse]

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So heartbreaking... it makes me sick to my stomach hearing about acts of violence like this out of pure hatred. There really are evil and soulless people out there and it's terrifying. My sincerest condolences go out to all the victims and family and friends affected by this tragedy

[Rojaf]

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Except radical islam is far more of an actual threat and does far more harm than radical anything else

in America this is true now.

go to central African republic, or go back in time (not that far) and be black or lgbt and radical christianity is really the only problem.

[Rojaf]

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and while radical Islam is far deadlier in the USA right now, radical christianity still affects way too many lgbt people to claim that it is not a problem.

look at North Carolina.

[Reincarnate]

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This is just so sad and tragic. I hope the families of the victims can pull through.

[choof]

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yeah wouldn't want to get into the millions of gay people oppressed and killed in african countries because of gay laws pushed by american christians now would we

this happens so often on a nearly daily basis that everyone who does not have ties to it has been desensitized

this doesn't make it right or wrong, it's just a fact

[choof]

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Except radical islam is far more of an actual threat and does far more harm than radical anything else

radical anything is a threat and more harmful than the non-radical anything else

[hi19hi19]

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I personally wouldn't blame people for considering "gun control",
being that it's the largest mass murder in the history of the usa committed with firearms.
whether it's the right thing to consider or not, people are desperate to end this stuff, especially when mourning.

The reason I mention this is because the context of your claim "...the narrative around this shooting is literally already about gun control..."
makes it seem like those who considered it are wrong to do so.
Makes you seem inconsiderate, but maybe that's your thing iono.

This feels to me like it's a "gun control issue" in the same way 9/11 was an "airplane issue" or the Boston bombing was a "pressure cooker issue"

These things are always way more complicated than they seem - already we know (or, rather, many news sources are rather confidently reporting) that the shooter was male, Muslim, a registered Democrat, a legal gun owner... that's already a lot of very politically charged aspects of one person's identity that could be part of the issue. It's totally possible that altering gun laws are a way to prevent tragedies like this in the future. But it was less than a day after the event and people were already clamoring about "omg guns kill gay people!" and that prompted the standard response from the other side "omg ther taken er guns!!!" and its like, calm the fuck down America. We don't know shit about what happened yet. For the narrative I'm seeing from major news stations to already be so completely about this one aspect of the issue is laughable.

Also you realize if a law expert went on air and said "oh hey, Muslims bomb things, and yeah some of 'em really hate gays, so it could be that" that person would so incredibly instantly be out of a job and probably lynched IRL, but saying the same thing -incorrectly, I might add- about white people seems to be a totally okay and routine part of a TV appearance? I'm not objecting to experts considering that a white person might be behind the crime, I'm objecting to the hilarious double standards where it's acceptable to randomly point fingers at white people when anyone else would be a taboo target (and, for the record, publicly pointing fingers like that without really knowing much should be a taboo, white people included). It makes me mad because it's racist and nobody seems to have the balls to call it that, and people do it all the time and I know that's why we're going to be stuck with 4 years of goddamn President Trump

:/

[hi19hi19]

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As evidence of just how stupid it is to be talking about "solutions" to tragedies like this, consider when those comments were made, we didn't even know how many shooters there were or if there were accomplices.

Can we stop trying to "predict" and "solve" everything within 12 hours of it happening?
Maybe focus on aiding the victims, constructive things like that?

[Reincarnate]

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As evidence of just how stupid it is to be talking about "solutions" to tragedies like this, consider we don't even know how many shooters there were or if there were accomplices.

Can we stop trying to "predict" and "solve" everything within 12 hours of it happening?
Maybe focus on aiding the victims, constructive things like that?

Well, the problem is that this shit keeps happening at an alarming rate. It's only natural for people to try to posit solutions.

[hi19hi19]

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Well, the problem is that this shit keeps happening at an alarming rate. It's only natural for people to try to posit solutions.

I agree that it's unfortunately a natural response. I'm pointing out it's also frequently actively part of the problem.
Focusing blindly on knee-jerk "solutions" now makes it that much more difficult to change focus to real meaningful solutions once more things are known.

[korny]

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in America this is true now.

go to central African republic, or go back in time (not that far) and be black or lgbt and radical christianity is really the only problem.

Was speaking in global terms and not about the lgbt community specifically.

radical anything is a threat and more harmful than the non-radical anything else

What's your point? Radical Islam is currently without doubt the most threatening radicalized religion period. Their commitment and capacity to commit jihad on the infidel is unmatched by anything else. It's simply true

[Spenner]

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It is so sad that this is a group's ideology of doing good. Disgusting and completely brainwashed.

[Elmerz]

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So sorry about your loss Martin :/ .
People are seriously fucked. How could anyone believe that any good could come out of such a horrific act? To top it off the assailant was killed in the act of committing these murders.

[Reincarnate]

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I agree that it's unfortunately a natural response. I'm pointing out it's also frequently actively part of the problem.
Focusing blindly on knee-jerk "solutions" now makes it that much more difficult to change focus to real meaningful solutions once more things are known.

Yeah, I've stopped participating in most discussions about "solutions" because at this point you can map out everyone's arguments into a big flowchart. It's always the same shit, and no one ever listens to each other anyway.

People generally don't seem to care if their solution actually makes any sense -- as you say, it's all knee-jerk.