orlando shooting

[SKG_Scintill]

Re: orlando shooting

I wondered how many people died due to the US "policing" the world

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

oh
you terrorists

[adlp]

Re: orlando shooting

this is not a valid line of reasoning

you should be right, but you aren't

allow let me break it down

a) even if there were tens of millions of homosexual killings across the continent (there aren't) the vast majority of nations involved would be in total denial of it regardless of internal or external pressure and would avoid keeping "reputable statistics"

b) even if they were not in total denial and governments were keenly aware of the actions they were perpetrating they still wouldn't keep reputable records on the subject because it would make them totally fucking culpable

c) even if the killings were done by non-government entities and you somehow managed to garner enough internal and/or external pressures to get the governments in question to keep track of them (which you wouldn't, by the way) they would still lack the statistical infrastructure to carry out any record keeping within the same dimension as "reputable"

d) even if you could muster a literal army of aid workers and humanitarian entities to go to africa that were capable of faithfully producing reputable statistics on this subject there is not a single universe in the fucking infinite multiverse in which every single country would be amenable to housing such a force within their borders

e) even if the governments in question were ostensibly keen on, and capable of producing these statistics, they would be bought out or outright killed by the perpetrating party before they could accomplish their task

case in point the aids epidemic has killed tens of millions of people on the african continent but do you know why all we have are estimates of aids deaths?

Because that's the fucking best we can do.

all of you live in a giant first world bubble (save for a couple) and most of you have absolutely no concept of how the world operates outside of that bubble which is why this same discussion that all of you are having now has been continuing since the beginning of civilization and will continue on until the end of it

this is laughable

[Rojaf]

Re: orlando shooting

the basic premise really isnt. who do you think is keeping track of people in third world countries, gay or otherwise?

pretty much nobody.

[Rojaf]

Re: orlando shooting

i mean estimating deaths is a huge questionmark but you can probably get a good guess at order of magnitude if not any actual number.

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: orlando shooting

this is laughable

oh right what would i know i've only spent half of the last decade working in africa inside their national statistical offices being paid absurd amounts of money to watch them completely fail at their jobs

you think you can know shit because you google and wikipedia statistics on topics you don't understand in countries you've never been to yeah fuck you.

you don't know shit

@rojaf You are correct practical implementation of indirect estimation is a fairly nuanced field and in the absence of civil registration and vital statistics systems it's the best you can get. If multiple different approaches yield values within the same order of magnitude you can be pretty certain your guess is correct but you're never going to know for certain and even within the field there are pretty ferocious debates over methodology. If nothing else scintill's link should be fairly good evidence of that.

Actually if you want a better example consider this, albinos are hunted to death across the entire of the african continent because their body parts are considered to be potent in witchcraft. Everyone knows it (i mean except for all of you people here because you only pay attention to humanitarian crises that catch your eye), and everyone knows the official counts from reported incidents and everyone knows that those likely make up a small enough percentage of actual killings that really we have no fucking clue how many people are dying and where

idk maybe u can go wikipedia this shit and pretend to be informed

[adlp]

Re: orlando shooting

you think you can know shit because you google and wikipedia statistics on topics you don't understand in countries you've never been to yeah fuck you.

you don't know shit

lol oh hurr durr im slummin it in africa i am a fountain of knowledge there is no other source than first hand experience nope not even people who pay annual subscriptions for geopolitical analysis. chill out man it's cool

the reports i read though are primarily about military events though and the statistics are recorded by multiple sources. so i see numbers about french action in mali, boko haram activity in nigeria, niger delta avengers, etc. and not so much humanitarian related so i dont get those sent to my inbox.

oh right what would i know i've only spent half of the last decade working in africa inside their national statistical offices being paid absurd amounts of money to watch them completely fail at their jobs

ok cool. which countries? because i'm guessing if youre not in northern africa or south africa i'm willing to believe you because africa mostly sucks ass at almost everything. but then again wikipedia and google could be wrong OHOHO. if the disparity between military/political recordkeeping and humanitarian recordkeeping actually is so large, then coolio you won an internet argument and i hope they actually do their jobs so liberals dont have to speculate about discrimination against gay people in africa and expect it to be a valid argument against the larger, more concrete numbers and evidence there are of islamic nations and people committing atrocities against western civilization, which is ultimately the real problem and why this thread is relevant in the first place.

[Reincarnate]

Re: orlando shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT3Bl-a7pCo&t=43m48s

From 43:48 to the end

[Arch0wl]

Re: orlando shooting

first thing:



second thing:

oh right what would i know i've only spent half of the last decade working in africa inside their national statistical offices being paid absurd amounts of money to watch them completely fail at their jobs

there's no way in hell I'd ever do that; way too many states would kill/jail me for homosexuality or, failing that, I'd die from malaria since my skin is a chinese super buffet for mosquitoes

regardless that's fascinating. how much money? what exactly do you do? what country is this? shitloads of questions

[Frank Munoz]

Re: orlando shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT3Bl-a7pCo&t=43m48s

From 43:48 to the end

(2 min in)He says handguns are better to kill massive amounts of people with
that's purely his own perception
also that the difficulty to even bring a rifle into the club is too high, and that handguns would have been better
(even though omar mateen did have hand guns)
there's really no argument to even be had for what firearm was better to kill people, the fact that a gun was used is the main concern.

he says anyone who disagrees are just "advertising their ignorance".
this guys doesn't really give anything new, or warrant much further attention tbh... as I can easily submit a commonly thought of issue and say the same about those who disagree with me.
it does nothing but promote our own bias.
---
45:55
claim that gun control is just "empty, political preen".
"no one, literally no one on our political landscape, this includes[list of names], every prominent gun reform advocate. no one has a plan to stop the sale of handguns."

gun regulation is the same as gun control.
obama made proposals on new gun regulations in 2013
1 point in his plan in 2013
Require background checks for all gun sales and strengthens the background check system. This would include removing barriers under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act so that states may more freely share information about mental health issues involving potential gun purchasers.
and one in 2015 as well,

people think "gun control" means to get rid of guns entirely.
and sam harris is one of those people.
he addresses that if we don't repeal the second amendment, then we are doing nothing to stop these atrocities from happening.
as well as the fact that we can't get rid of guns in the usa, or even aspire to think about that, is crazy to those who dont live there.

gun control does not mean to banish all guns.
I think he, again, is misunderstanding.

47:10, "no one is even thinking about taking away handguns away from americans who can buy them legally"
there's alot of focus on handguns
and, again... gun control does not mean to specifically to banish them.

Maybe his other debates or books are good to look into, philosophy and ideals of what life truly is, but political issues are obscured too much.

~48:50 goes onto say that Trump is the only one who made moral clarity, and that Obama and Hilary are stupid.
then gives no information onto why, or what specifically said is stupid, only giving trumps one line of
"american must unite the whole civilized world, in the fight against islamic terrorism."
then proceeds with
"why can't hilary clinton or obama say that?"
he doesn't give a reason on why it's important to say that.
it's not like obama has never addressed the issues of ISIL.
and it's not like obama is against fighting terrorism either
Why would donald suggest such preemptive action in the first place?
it was also a speech made one day after the shooting, where it was revealed that they are missing alot of information.

he keeps rewashing this same tactic over and over,
this is a lie, this is stupid, this is wrong, and to think other wise is you being ignorant
he's just as biased and incompetent as anyone of us,
is that bad? nah
but promoting the hatred of a religion,
promoting hatred in general is just very questionable

either way,
what options does hatred against islam give to stop terrorism?
what will we do once everyone believes that islam, and not radical islam, is the greatest threat to mankind?

what options does stricter gun laws give to stop murder?
what happens when all states require more thorough background checks, and or even the plans made by Obama are put into action?



more specifically, what do you think will happen?

[SKG_Scintill]

Re: orlando shooting

first thing:

MORE VIOLENCE!
WHAT WE NEED IS MORE VIOLENCE!
DO YOU FEEL LIKE SHOOTING US? WE'LL SHOOT YOU!
REVENGE IS THE ONLY JUSTICE!
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT? DEATH SENTENCE? DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE 20TH CENTURY? WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ANYMORE! WHAT, ARE YOU STUPID?
BUT IF YOU KILL US, WE KILL YOU!
RADICAL ISLAM SLAUGHTERING US? SLAUGHTER THEM!
MORE VIOLENCE!

[Arch0wl]

Re: orlando shooting

- strawman via sarcastic caps

- dumb

- dumbness is amplified by caps

- why did you implant such a stupid voice in my head

- why did you make my own luscious radio voice, akin to drinking coffee with almonds but with your ears, say something so stupid

- does not understand game theory

- would be easy to show why you're wrong if you knew game theory

- but if you knew game theory you'd not have posted that

- I don't know about you

- but I'm feelin catch 22

[SKG_Scintill]

Re: orlando shooting

still no reason to kill people for killing people

[Arch0wl]

Re: orlando shooting

> strawman strawman he's our man, if he can't do it I sure can't

when you first started to play stepmania/ffr did someone make your game fail you out every time you properly understood the concept of self-defense

[SKG_Scintill]

Re: orlando shooting

fine, if it's a straw man, then what is your actual proposition?

[Arch0wl]

Re: orlando shooting

it's three words and it's on the shirt next to a rainbow gun

a non-abridged version might be "if you shoot us, we shoot back"

a similar phrase on a similarly rainbow shirt might be "***s fire back", or "armed gays don't get bashed", or "don't tread on me"