fitness subforum

[Arch0wl]

Re: fitness subforum

so this hasn't been made yet in spite of overwhelming reason to the contrary and there is no longer any good excuse.

again, if making a new subforum is too complicated for any of the staff who can do this, please let me know and I'll gladly do it for you. otherwise, there is nothing more for you to discuss. do it already.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: fitness subforum

Arch: your posts have done absolutely nothing but make this even less of a possibility because of your constant disrespect towards staff and honestly, you're very lucky that you're still even on the forums considering that you still have the audacity to be a prick towards other people after your most recent, long-term ban. If you're going to support the addition of something, don't make posts in the same way that you have in this thread. You're acting very immature, and you're definitely not helping the cause with your matter-of-factly attitude. Just because you think your reasons are tangible doesn't mean they're right.

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For the rest of you guys: I stopped checking this thread and kept my focus on the Queue/Batch discussion thread on the 1st and spent most of the 2nd of June working on the batch and I will say this:

I would say it would warrant a subforum for the following main reasons (all taken together in context):

1. The thread has been long-standing enough and active enough to show that there's definitely sufficient interest, even in the current state of limited forum maneuverability. If anything, I think the activity level would increase with the added organizational framework. Maybe you have no interest in some generic "fitness" thread, but perhaps you'd have something to add to a "nutrition" thread or a "long-distance running" thread, etc etc etc w/e. These threads would be quite annoying to simply fuse into Chit-Chat when we could keep them confined to their own area where they won't get dragged out of line by other Chit-Chat topics.

2. Fitness, as a subject, is hugely diverse with lots of topic/thread potential. To offer the opposite analogy, imagine combining various FFR topics into a single "FFR thread." It would be frustrating to navigate and hard to have focused discussions. You might counter-argue "Yeah, but there'd be much more activity in the FFR thread versus the current fitness thread, which would more strongly justify its compartmentalization," to which I'd say "You're right, and this is why a sub-forum is a reasonable compromise."

3. We already have plenty of forums on FFR that have nothing to do with FFR whatsoever (in fact, most of them). Many posters here aren't even here for the game anymore. So I don't find these "go to another site" arguments convincing. Why not go to /r/criticalthinking or /r/sports or /r/gaming instead of the equivalent forums here on FFR? The answer is the community. I enjoy talking to the various posters in the fitness forum because they're fun people and quite knowledgeable. Contrast this to a site like reddit or bb.com where broscience is all too common. We've got lots of great people on this site.

4. Fitness is actually rather value-adding, and I'm reasonably sure that if there's any place that could possibly benefit from people getting in shape, it's a forum where people spend their time sitting at a computer hitting arrow keys. XD

5. There's little downside. If, for some reason, the fitness subforum turns out to be a bad idea, then you can just delete the thing and it's as if it never existed. No harm done.

Above all of the posts in here, this post holds the most merit in regards to wanting something like this created. I brought it up to staff and let them know that it is something that seems to have some serious interest, but I'm almost certain that the general concern is it turning into something that grows inactive (I did bring up the fact that the single Fitness thread has sustained itself relatively well with 2,000 posts pretty evenly spread out).

On another note: I don't have the power to add this forum/subforum, but regardless of who you talk to, it's not going to just be added immediately without discussion. Even with all of this, staff might have their own choices for not adding it. I am not opposed to a trial run of this particular area, but it might be my slight bias towards trying to get in better shape myself that is making me want to see this come to fruition despite not being confident enough to linger in that area; one of the things that I can at least vouch for in the Fitness thread is that you all are generally welcoming towards each other for the most part, and that is quite admirable.

Finally: if this subforum is added, I will put in my support for Reach and SCWolf as local moderators (possibly Reincarnate as well, but I know that Reach/SCWolf are very well versed in this particular are while also being generally well-mannered).

Again, it's out of the hands of those who have been chatting in this thread. Neither devonin nor I have the power to create these areas, and it's also not up to us to determine the structure of the forums. If the administration doesn't want to add it, it's not going to be done and there's no point in arguing about it. Given that Zageron posted in here saying that he feels there's not enough merit, it's clear to me that he believes there's not enough activity.

[Poison-]

Re: fitness subforum

so this hasn't been made yet in spite of overwhelming reason to the contrary and there is no longer any good excuse.

again, if making a new subforum is too complicated for any of the staff who can do this, please let me know and I'll gladly do it for you. otherwise, there is nothing more for you to discuss. do it already.

We get it, you want a subforum. That doesn't mean you have to be such a twat about it.

[Arch0wl]

Re: fitness subforum

We get it

answer this question: are you part of the staff, or is "we" a figure of speech

[TC_Halogen]

Re: fitness subforum

He's saying we as the general group of people within this thread that are annoyed with your tone.

[Arch0wl]

Re: fitness subforum

Arch: your posts have done absolutely nothing but make this even less of a possibility because of your constant disrespect towards staff

wow

so let's be clear

tc_halogen is publicly admitting that:

* the attitude of one person toward a staff is reason to not include a forum many users want,

* the attitude of one person toward the staff is reason to go against the wishes of every other person who wants that forum

this is the decisionmaking process of whether a forum is included, as outlined by tc_halogen, staff of flashflashrevolution.com:

Q: do many people want this forum

A: doesn't matter, I didn't like arch's attitude

further incompetence, cognitively and administratively, on part of tc_halogen:

Just because you think your reasons are tangible doesn't mean they're right

and yet all of the reasons I and others here have given in support of the forum are substantial -- you have not only had your reasons against it demolished, but have not been able to come up with sufficiently good responses to the reasons for its inclusion

the sole reason your superior (zageron) has given in support of its exclusion is this:

this is the reason we do not have a fitness subforum:

"the general concern is it turning into something that grows inactive"

now, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS REASON

first, the staff implicitly accept numerous existing subforums which are "inactive", among them

* birthdays
* AMA
* spin it up
* radio
* bits and bytes
* literature
* even critical thinking, to an extent, since it receives maybe one thread per day

second, even if it were inactive, the forum could be deleted, although it's not clear why this would need to happen

in other words, the staff's reasoning would only make sense if posts or forum space were a finite resource, when they clearly aren't.

finally, this is not relevant to the creation of a fitness subforum, but it does demonstrate poor administrative thinking:

you're very lucky that you're still even on the forums considering that you still have the audacity to be a prick towards other people after your most recent, long-term ban

"being a prick", in the sense that I have called you incompetent, is hardly against the rules, or shouldn't be. this is a quote of the relevant rules:

"Post offensive remarks toward other site users;
- Post private information regarding other users without their consent;
- Circumvent word filters;
- Bait staff or other users; deliberately try to test site rules;
- Post pornographic or graphic content*;
- Disrespect staff members / Uncivilly argue with staff members / Impersonate staff members"

now, I'm guessing you'd read this into "disrespect", "uncivilly argue", or "offensive remarks", however the truth is the ultimate defense to libel -- what if you actually are incompetent? am I supposed to pussyfoot around and say that you're not making a mistake, or that you're not making a bad decision? this essentially prevents me from pointing out any flaw in staff decisionmaking. and what if it's not just bad, not just really bad, but very bad? you've made it impossible to communicate the severity of a staff mistake lest it be interpreted as "disrespect."

therefore, since that would be unreasonable, I'm going to say I haven't said anything that didn't accurately communicate the actual severity of a staff mistake.

[Arch0wl]

Re: fitness subforum

we as the general group of people within this thread

"we" as the people who are in support of your position, more accurately

[Wafles]

Re: fitness subforum

there's already a bunch of relatively unused boards that would be less popular than this but that doesn't mean this is a good idea. how does adding a fitness board improve the community here? that should be the first thing that needs to be talked about, not how popular or how well established the fitness thread is (I only skimmed the topic, maybe I'm selling this a little short).

also rip archowl

[korny]

Re: fitness subforum

how does adding a fitness board improve the community here?

It improves the community by potentially influencing those who find solace here at FFR, to work on their personal fitness.

Have you ever considered the possibility that people within a community that feel comfortable expressing themselves and their ideas, would feel more comfortable and even more motivated to work on their personal fitness as opposed to going to a separate community that focuses solely on these things where there is no attachment to the userbase?

Also, arch is right about the above post halogen. Can't take tha heat

[TC_Halogen]

Re: fitness subforum

I have no issue with Arch demeaning me, lol -- I'm temporarily removing him from the forums for his general behavior over a long term (and believe me: what he received as a ban is quite a bit lighter than he should have). He's blasting me on the FFR Facebook Collective page on Facebook and I'm just joining along to have a laugh.

Seriously though, I've already stated that Reincarnate's point is very valid and probably holds enough merit to consider creation of this subforum on the site. There are others here also spearheading the idea of creating this in a very positive light, and the general tone in that thread has been generally welcoming. As said, if the activity isn't sustained, it could be removed.

I don't have any issue with introducing this for a pilot session.

[psychoangel691]

Re: fitness subforum

Not even going to read all the dramamanias that have gone on.

I think having a spot for fitness is a good thing. I know that there have been a lot of forums/subforums that went inactive but I've seen a lot of interest in fitness and health related topics.

[Litodude]

Re: fitness subforum

lol

[choof]

Re: fitness subforum

wow

so let's be clear

tc_halogen is publicly admitting that:

* the attitude of one person toward a staff is reason to not include a forum many users want,

* the attitude of one person toward the staff is reason to go against the wishes of every other person who wants that forum

this is the decisionmaking process of whether a forum is included, as outlined by tc_halogen, staff of flashflashrevolution.com:



further incompetence, cognitively and administratively, on part of tc_halogen:



and yet all of the reasons I and others here have given in support of the forum are substantial -- you have not only had your reasons against it demolished, but have not been able to come up with sufficiently good responses to the reasons for its inclusion

the sole reason your superior (zageron) has given in support of its exclusion is this:

this is the reason we do not have a fitness subforum:

"the general concern is it turning into something that grows inactive"

now, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS REASON

first, the staff implicitly accept numerous existing subforums which are "inactive", among them

* birthdays
* AMA
* spin it up
* radio
* bits and bytes
* literature
* even critical thinking, to an extent, since it receives maybe one thread per day

second, even if it were inactive, the forum could be deleted, although it's not clear why this would need to happen

in other words, the staff's reasoning would only make sense if posts or forum space were a finite resource, when they clearly aren't.

finally, this is not relevant to the creation of a fitness subforum, but it does demonstrate poor administrative thinking:



"being a prick", in the sense that I have called you incompetent, is hardly against the rules, or shouldn't be. this is a quote of the relevant rules:

"Post offensive remarks toward other site users;
- Post private information regarding other users without their consent;
- Circumvent word filters;
- Bait staff or other users; deliberately try to test site rules;
- Post pornographic or graphic content*;
- Disrespect staff members / Uncivilly argue with staff members / Impersonate staff members"

now, I'm guessing you'd read this into "disrespect", "uncivilly argue", or "offensive remarks", however the truth is the ultimate defense to libel -- what if you actually are incompetent? am I supposed to pussyfoot around and say that you're not making a mistake, or that you're not making a bad decision? this essentially prevents me from pointing out any flaw in staff decisionmaking. and what if it's not just bad, not just really bad, but very bad? you've made it impossible to communicate the severity of a staff mistake lest it be interpreted as "disrespect."

therefore, since that would be unreasonable, I'm going to say I haven't said anything that didn't accurately communicate the actual severity of a staff mistake.

hey friend, sick post.

[Izzy]

Re: fitness subforum

People should stop making tech threads in chit chat and make them in bits and bytes. The whole category of "Life & Arts" should probably be reworked and possibly condensed.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: fitness subforum

People should stop making tech threads in chit chat and make them in bits and bytes. The whole category of "Life & Arts" should probably be reworked and possibly condensed.

I -completely- agree.