Re: the ecig struggle
@Mollocephalus Sounds like someone has a story to share, or so I hope.
@Mollocephalus Sounds like someone has a story to share, or so I hope.
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I bring my math homework to church. It helps me find a higher power.
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Re: the ecig struggle
Except, it's not at all. You're replacing a toxic carcinogenic habit capable of killing the user and those surrounding, and replacing it with a virtually harmless and odorless substitute not capable of killing or harming the user or anyone surrounding. I fail to see how anything about it is "cooler" although that is a perspective you are welcome to have. It is cleaner and completely safe though, so I really don't see what your problem with it is other than you can't lrn 2 perspective and just deal with the fact that people are always going to have vices, in which case I'd just say, cry about it.
I think most people actually do in fact pick up cigarette smoking at an age earlier than is legal because the urge to fit in or look cool is unfortunately, very real at that age.Comment
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Re: the ecig struggle
haha guys look at this cool thing I'm gonna do
*smokes cigarette*
yea that killed me a little bit, isn't that awsome LOL?
I'm so cool and popular now
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Re: the ecig struggle
I don't feel any sort of social pressure or need to belong by having a hot beverage around with me. But I definitely see carrying around a coffee cup and sipping on it as something that I too, want to do. Probably because of caffeine itself being a drug I want, and so there's probably a drug-induced craving mechanism that makes the social aspect more salient, but there's still absolutely a social mechanism involved in things like drinking coffee. It's just ridiculous to pretend that there is NO social aspect to vaping, or any other drug use for that matter. Any and every activity in human existence has social implications. Attach an addictive drug and you've got social pressures that will go along with the drug use.
I doubt nicotine's harmless for everyone. It's an addictive drug, and that itself I think is a good enough reason to restrict it. Not that I think it needs to be restricted though, overall my impression of it is that it's prolly about as bad as caffeine.Comment
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Re: the ecig struggle
If it applies to every activity, it shouldn't be used as reasoning within an argument.
Claiming that smoking is nothing more than a social activity sounds weak.
Personally, I do not believe that drinking coffee or ingesting nicotine is a social habit until a person makes it one.
Also, nicotine is harmful when ingesting 50mg or more, depending on the consumer's body.
Nicotine poisoning is a real thing.
However, nicotine is not harmful to people other than the consumer when using a vaping device.
I believe that this is where vapers are getting at.Comment
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Re: the ecig struggle
I only meant to suggest it's incomparably less harmful than cigarettes to the user, and completely harmless in second hand form.
By Mollo's logic, I could say, "do you idiots still eat fast food in 2014" and it would be just as relevant if not more so if we were to consider all the implications that are attributed to supporting widespread access to such convenient poison. Last time I checked the leading cause of death in the United States at least, is heart disease, and the correlation between the two seems to go conveniently overlooked because it somehow receives less of a stigma which is not only hypocritical, but convenient for those choosing to exclusively hold extreme views towards one thing they deem more dangerous and harmful to society just because it doesn't fit in their model of how reality should be.Last edited by korny; 05-15-2014, 09:06 AM.Comment
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Re: the ecig struggle
Except that the discussion's taken a turn into where people can/should be able to smoke ecigs, and I'm addressing the issue of 'lol you think smoking's cool' with the idea that the more you see ecig smoking, regardless of overt social pressure, that will still have an impact on ecig use.
Sure does, I specifically tried to not claim that.
Don't go into advertising or marketing.
Caffeine's deadly in relatively small doses too.
True. But if I'm injecting heroin into my veins, that's still bad because heroin itself is "bad." That's the argument that anti-vapers are giving, it's still public drug use. Heck, someone just claimed in one of these threads that they didn't believe nicotine has withdrawal. (Which of course is not the same as claiming 'I have no/little withdrawal from it'.) That's a little scary to me, the vast majority of drugs are addictive and therefore have withdrawal, how would someone NOT think that? Educate yourself before you start using a drug, KNOW what things are drugs.
When I started drinking coffee I was pretty ignorant of how it would affect me. I now deal with caffeine addiction. (I mean, I also think I could be a good candidate for Adderall or something though, so I rather feel the need for caffeine is more than just addiction but rather me trying to get to an attentional state I need to be in, even when not in withdrawal, in order to function as well as I feel I need to in order to succeed in society.)Last edited by Cavernio; 05-15-2014, 10:17 AM.Comment
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Re: the ecig struggle
Comparing nicotine to heroin is a bit extreme. Comparing it to caffeine is a lot more fair.Comment
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Re: the ecig struggle
Yes, but me taking heroin isn't giving you lung cancer. It's also not a socially acceptable drug, it's quite potent, lots of reasons why it's not a good comparison besides how impactful the drug is.Last edited by Cavernio; 05-15-2014, 10:22 AM.Comment
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Re: the ecig struggle
I'm rather confused now, I know it was a bad analogy, that was part of the point because of people who're like 'omg drugs bad' and I'm unclear if I'm being praised or I'm just not explaining myself well. Because the latter seems to happen a lot and from 2 other people commenting about what I've said I'm apparently not making my points clear.
I should probably abandon thread, not worth it.Last edited by Cavernio; 05-15-2014, 11:01 AM.Comment
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