Don't it?

[Izzy]

Re: Don't it?

I do agree that low skill jobs don't deserve 50k salaries, but if we restricted those jobs to 16 year olds there would be a MASSIVE shortage of labor because, in theory, everyone should have eventually moved up to higher paying jobs. or you could just import immigrants right?

RIGHT AMERICA?
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I agree, but there will always be more 16 years olds. Just saying.

[Cavernio]

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because entry level jobs require minimal skill and ordinary people that hit age 16 can start working those jobs if they want to

minimum wage shouldnt be treated as a career

What is a career versus a job and why should it be something every individual needs?

[Izzy]

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What is a career versus a job and why should it be something every individual needs?

Just to further push that question. It is a good point as not everyone should be working towards the same goal. Not to mention that it wouldn't work in the first place.

[Pseudo Enigma]

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I agree, but there will always be more 16 years olds. Just saying.

we order them in bulk. Supply and demand.

or you could just import immigrants right?

See? He gets it.

[Cavernio]

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Unpaid internships should be a crime

Well by that logic paying 40k for 4 years of a university degree must be a heinous offense.

[25thhour]

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Well by that logic paying 40k for 4 years of a university degree must be a heinous offense.

Only 40k. I have to pay 100k in total for 4 years University.

Growing up my mom my sister and I lived off of less than 15 thousand a year. I even got a job at 14 to help my mom with the bills.

[leonid]

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Only 40k. I have to pay 100k in total for 4 years University.

Growing up my mom my sister and I lived off of less than 15 thousand a year. I even got a job at 14 to help my mom with the bills.

You had to pay only 100k? I got some story to tell you

[clasko1000]

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Me and my brother got out of my "winter car" when it was -20 last night and while walking into the house i said were lucky to live in a house.

I used to help run a homeless shelter twice a week overnight for 3 winters, I see how lucky i am. I'm not currently helping as i couldn't function school/work with no sleep for the overnight shifts, but will continue when school is done. This is not the only volunteer work ive done.

For small bragging rights, i live in a nice house(parents), own 2 cars(my mustang and a 4x4 SUV, I own both fully) and live very comfortably. Im making 20k currently while finishing school, and my bills are small.

[benguino]

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in theory, everyone should have eventually moved up to higher paying jobs

Old people die allowing for higher paying jobs to open up and new people are born to fill in the low-paying jobs that become available as people move forward in their job/career.

Unpaid internships should be a crime

People are so desperate for jobs these days though that they'll do anything to put themselves ahead of their competitors. Heck, even unpaid internships in themselves are competitive Dx

I just find it sad how companies know people are desperate so they take advantage of it to get some free labor. (Not to mention there is also the opportunity cost if say you have to choose between working McDonald's or the unpaid internship)

I'm actually doing one for next semester though. It's in my free time though: I'm going to be designing some children's activity book for the astronomy center at my university.

[Reincarnate]

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If you can't afford to pay an employee a livable wage, then you can't afford to do business.

[benguino]

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If you can't afford to pay an employee a livable wage, then you can't afford to do business.

It's funny you mention that because so many times have I heard of businesses that justify paying their workers dirt wages because they "can't afford" to pay them anything more.

[kommisar]

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Old people die allowing for higher paying jobs to open up and new people are born to fill in the low-paying jobs that become available as people move forward in their job/career.

People are so desperate for jobs these days though that they'll do anything to put themselves ahead of their competitors. Heck, even unpaid internships in themselves are competitive Dx

maybe in america, but in this end of canada it's an aging population. nursing homes have 2-3 year lists where as a decade ago they couldn't fill all the beds. there is a shortage of workers and most around here don't want minimum wage jobs. so the canadian government pays foreigners to come live here with their families to work them. I'm completely serious.

[qqwref]

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also remember that the poor in the US usually have it better than the poor in the rest of the world

Not if the Republicans get their way and eliminate all the safety nets

Well by that logic paying 40k for 4 years of a university degree must be a heinous offense.

You pay $10k a year? Must be the Canada. That's crazy low.

Unpaid internships should be a crime

They're supposed to actually give you knowledge and experience, like a college course or an apprenticeship would. The ones that don't (and just have you fetching coffee or whatever) actually ARE against the law, but a lot of people don't know that and it's definitely hard to fight against a huge company when you're a college kid with no money and no job.

Old people die allowing for higher paying jobs to open up and new people are born to fill in the low-paying jobs that become available as people move forward in their job/career.

It worked great for a while. But now, in America anyway, we have this huge "baby boomer" generation that doesn't feel like retiring/dying any time soon (thanks to health care advances). Plus a lot of jobs that used to be steady no-experience-needed entry-level positions (e.g. secretary, data entry, factory work) are being replaced by technology as soon as it's cheap enough to do so. End result, job positions just aren't opening up the way they used to. And it sucks for the people with no experience or professional network.

[Poison-]

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I'm so glad university here in Canada doesn't cost as much as it does in the States.

[Reincarnate]

Re: Don't it?

They're supposed to actually give you knowledge and experience, like a college course or an apprenticeship would. The ones that don't (and just have you fetching coffee or whatever) actually ARE against the law, but a lot of people don't know that and it's definitely hard to fight against a huge company when you're a college kid with no money and no job.

IMO, if you are doing something for a business that is adding value and helping them in some way, you should be paid for that work, period.

I basically echo these pieces:

http://scientopia.org/blogs/drugmonkey/2013/06/12/unpaid-internships-are-a-systemic-labor-exploitation-scam-yes-in-science-labs-too/

http://www.417am.com/2013/12/unpaid-internships-are-bad-deal-for.html