Let the shutdown begin

[Arntonach]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

Like last year and the year before?

Jesus why do these fucktards get reelected?

[Litodude]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

political alignment theory, incumbent preference (95%/85% reelection rate house/senate respectively) money, gerrymandered redistricting

[Izzy]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

So what was the resolution to this issue? Did nothing drastic even change?

[FoJaR]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

senate republicans agreed to a deal where obamacare will check the income levels of people

[bmah]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

There is no real resolution. They just kicked back the date to February to buy more time. In actuality, they're just delaying the inevitable. The debt ceiling is so high that they should've just defaulted. The longer the delay, the more the pain racks up.

[Litodude]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

no lol

u don't default as the US of A

literally everything would collapse if that were the case

have u ever missed payments on a credit card or decided not to pay for it whatsoever? big consequences huh; you can't really do shit, buy anything expensive in the future, or take out a loan for a car/repair/business/house.

ya now imagine that for the US of A LOL


edit- for emphasis u know what counties have defaulted and what happened to them? here's one: zimbabwe ROFL

[Reincarnate]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

The debt ceiling is so high that they should've just defaulted. The longer the delay, the more the pain racks up.

No, no, no -- you do not want the US to default.

Besides, our debt is not a huge problem right now. It is a huge number, yes, but our debt is super cheap, our GDP is very large, and we've been handling debt/interest payments like these for many years running without much issue (seriously, go look at the numbers right now. Smaller than you thought, right? Also note how this goes way back past the 90's, the 80's, etc.). The priority is to not let it grow to the point where it becomes a problem. We are not in a debt crisis.

The math is not terribly hard to figure out -- the problem is ideology.

[adlp]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rom-obamacare/

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/09/fact-check-did-president-obama-exempt-members-of-congress-from-obamacare/

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2013/10/16/obamacare-subsidy-for-congress-under-fire/

http://www.webpronews.com/obamacare-...exempt-2013-09

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...are-exemptions

paragraph 3 and 4 are what i was talking about

and if that's changed since 9/30/13, which it most likely has, then i guess i didnt need to bring it up so my bad

[Reincarnate]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

adlp: Can you explain why exactly you are against Obamacare?

For the record: I don't like it, either (I would use a different system), but IMO anything beats what we've currently got.

[FoJaR]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...are-exemptions

paragraph 3 and 4 are what i was talking about

and if that's changed since 9/30/13, which it most likely has, then i guess i didnt need to bring it up so my bad

greedy employers are just using obamacare as an excuse to raise their profits.

they could just take that money they were using for their contributions toward healthcare and pay it to their employees instead...

[Reincarnate]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

greedy employers are just using obamacare as an excuse to raise their profits.

they could just take that money they were using for their contributions toward healthcare and pay it to their employees instead...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-november-13-2012/post-democalyptic-world---whine-country---employee-benefits

"If Obama had fought harder for single-payer health care, business owners like you would never have to pay another premium in your lives."

[bmah]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

No, no, no -- you do not want the US to default.

Besides, our debt is not a huge problem right now. It is a huge number, yes, but our debt is super cheap, our GDP is very large, and we've been handling debt/interest payments like these for many years running without much issue (seriously, go look at the numbers right now. Smaller than you thought, right? Also note how this goes way back past the 90's, the 80's, etc.). The priority is to not let it grow to the point where it becomes a problem. We are not in a debt crisis.

The math is not terribly hard to figure out -- the problem is ideology.

I'm not saying anyone -wants- a default, I'm just saying it's hard to ignore 16 trillion dollars or so of debt. Tell me how that's not much of an issue. You can't say that is "not a debt crisis". It's already grown to become a big problem.

[DotKritic]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

Inching closer to $17,000,000,000,000.

[Reincarnate]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

I'm not saying anyone -wants- a default, I'm just saying it's hard to ignore 16 trillion dollars or so of debt. Tell me how that's not much of an issue. You can't say that is "not a debt crisis". It's already grown to become a big problem.

I was going to write up a big thing but figured it'd be easier to just show you a video. It's a bit old but the logic still applies:

The national debt is not "debt" as most people think of it: It's not like, say, a random person who owes a credit card company $200k or something insane. The mechanics are quite different.

[Choofers]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

i heard on fox news that if we default global hunger ends