Let the shutdown begin

[FoJaR]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

seriously?

[gnr61]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

in order to keep a tenable model of democratic governance we agree to certain norms in the process of putting legislation into law; should the shutdown prove in any way successful we are looking at an ugly precedent: the capacity of the minority (in this case one half of one third of the government branches) to repeal or demand the alteration of already-passed and supreme-court vetted legislation it doesn't like by threat of stopping things that should *also* fall into givens of governance (ie. raising/abolishing the debt ceiling, actually *running* the government), which can't be bargaining chips lest the whole thing fall to pieces.

this isn't a matter of "they refused to negotiate." some functions of government cannot be seen as valid for leveraging by the losing party; this REALLY can't be spun as anything other than hostage taking.

[FoJaR]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

100% chance your wife dies if the child is born and you do it?

i guess i should wait until you get married for this question, but i believe your answer will be different then.

[gnr61]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

o come on this is not a reasonable place to pick on someone for their abortion views that's just picking a fight for no reason

EDIT: outside of actual legislative issues of abortion i see no real reason to debate it at all since it's inflammatory and either side is coming from perspectives on the matter with no overlap to play point-counterpoint with

[FoJaR]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

sorry i'm not picking on him i'm legitimately surprised

[Snowcrafta]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

Adlp is our most openly conservative user, so his stance stands true.

Women should have a choice, and the men produced the fetus deserves say in it as well. That's what pro choice is about. The man and woman come together and talk about the child, but if it's an unreasonable option after a discussion (women go through huge emotional trauma because of abortions) and the choose that is what is best, let them. We all want kids, but we have to give them the choice - they have 9 months to decide.

Abortion should be legal for the same reason birth control should be governmentally funded. The more the lower class reproduces, the more we all, as taxpayers, have to pay to support their welfare. Take God out of the argument and you're left with nothing.

[FoJaR]

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this is the wrong thread, i'm talking to ADLP somewhere else now, lets get back to this government and how it's not moving

[Litodude]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

hence 2010.

--Guido

Citizen's United v FEC was such a great ruling thanks uew Republican-based God

[FoJaR]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

Republicanism over the past twenty years has been awfully mealy-mouthed and contributed greatly to many of the problems we have today, so people who are fed up with it gravitate toward the tea party republicans so that shit can actually get done, hence 2010.

--Guido

and then after that failed experiment in radicalism, 2012 happened.

[Reincarnate]

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guido where have you been ive needed some political backup lately but youve been on hiatus

also update: i am pro-life now regardless of circumstance woo

serious question: so I assume you also imply that if a woman is raped, she must carry it to term even if she cannot afford to raise it / risks health issues / would be traumatized perpetually. What is your rationale behind "regardless of circumstance" in this circumstance? Would you not agree that this would be giving a rapist more autonomy over a woman's body than the woman herself? What about emergency contraception?

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

Pretty sure adlp brought that up because I chided him a while back for calling himself "pro-life" but also saying, "except in the case of rape and incest", since such an exception is morally indefensible and logically bankrupt.

But yeah, not an abortion thread. PMs are welcome, though.

and then after that failed experiment in radicalism, 2012 happened.

2012 also gave us some great conservative leaders and culled some of the "establishment" republicans from the herd. Of course, there were several bad candidates, too, like Todd Akin and Mitt Romney, but 2012 was hardly a loss for conservatism.

--Guido

[FoJaR]

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Pretty sure adlp brought that up because I chided him a while back for calling himself "pro-life" but also saying, "except in the case of rape and incest", since such an exception is morally indefensible and logically bankrupt.

But yeah, not an abortion thread. PMs are welcome, though.



2012 also gave us some great conservative leaders and culled some of the "establishment" republicans from the herd. Of course, there were several bad candidates, too, like Todd Akin and Mitt Romney, but 2012 was hardly a loss for conservatism.

--Guido

if you look at senate and house seats, it was a loss.

i'm looking forward to 2014.

[0o0]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

i'm looking forward to lunch

[Litodude]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

dems has senate

[igotrhythm]

Re: Let the shutdown begin

Pretty sure adlp brought that up because I chided him a while back for calling himself "pro-life" but also saying, "except in the case of rape and incest", since such an exception is morally indefensible and logically bankrupt.

But yeah, not an abortion thread. PMs are welcome, though.



2012 also gave us some great conservative leaders and culled some of the "establishment" republicans from the herd. Of course, there were several bad candidates, too, like Todd Akin and Mitt Romney, but 2012 was hardly a loss for conservatism.

--Guido

But Akin and Romney did themselves the favor of getting in bed with the religious right, which really tanked their election chances once their indiscretions got out. And that's what we call a self-correcting problem.