i got an infraction

[rushyrulz]

Re: i got an infraction

I actually have to agree with middie on this one. Of all the times I've been banned, never has there been more than a 1-liner to explain why and never has it been specific [I remember there wasn't any explanation/reason at all one of the times]. I'm sure someone's going to come back with the "you know what you did wrong" argument, and while I agree with that, it's not like mods are handing out 15 bans an hour to the point where it becomes a hassle to write out a formal explanation other than "rude and inappropriate" or whatever it may be.

Even as much as a copy paste quote from the post(s) that caused the ban would be a better alternative.

[psychoangel691]

Re: i got an infraction

Let's cut to the chase

Would someone who has a clear understanding make an announcement over this and just save everyone else the trouble of asking?

On top of that my two cents: This system has more room for abuse than the other.

Also some flaws:

1. You can't see the ban reason in detail (with the post(s) ect linked to you) until you're unbanned which is honestly just pretty dumb.

2. If 1 is not fixed for the love of hell please give a clearer reasoning than "being rude to another user" because that's just as vague as the rules are. Would it kill you guys to be precise?

3. ALSO if 1 is not fixed, have the person who bans sign the god damn thing so we don't have to go hunting around for the information so we can approach them and discuss it fairly with them via skype ect. let's face it, there are still going to be hilariously bad bans.

4. Get some better reasoning would you? I recently got a ban slap to the face for mostly making jokes out of FFR titles, something that was never once ban worthy in the old system. (TO be precise I have almost always refereed to Perfect Cherry Storm as Perfect Shit Storm. I called Jack the Ripper Jack the Shitter once and got banned for it. Pretty borderline retarded if you asked me. But maybe that's not the complete reasoning.)

5. If someone instigates it, ban them to. I honestly am one of those repeat offenders but even I get egged on with phrases such as "mad cause bad" and those people should be banned as well. Stop playing slight favorites (not saying it's tremendously bad and my situation is not slightly my own fault, but don't even attempt to argue that there's no favor-ism. because there clearly is.)

Hopefully that's at least nice enough to hammer some issues out.

AJ and I do have a clear understanding as it was posted and discussed with staff. There are some unclear points because the system was still being worked on and some stuff has been tweaked already since it was implemented. It's still basically in testing phases to see how it works out, if the point values are fair, etc. The reasoning you're going to get is based on the person who issues it, it's not as though that there's one central person who can control exactly what reason is put in. The point system will overall make it more organized because repeat offenders can be kept better track of rather than one mod or admin banning then another having to take care of an issue with the person not knowing what that person's already been doing. It's a good idea it just needs to be tweaked and used properly. As is I think that people have been giving too many warnings rather than actual point value infractions.

[Riotpolice]

Re: i got an infraction

There should be a minimum of 25 characters when a mod describes what the user was banned for...or they can't ban the user because they are not being descriptive enough

[TC_Halogen]

Re: i got an infraction

First off, the purpose of the infraction system is two-fold -- it helps users in that they can be warned when they are committing to poor behavior, and it also helps staff in that there are no "arbitrary" ban lengths; a person receiving a ban for a particular reason based off of infractions will receive the same ban length as someone else receiving a ban for the same reason.

As an example, I will use krunkykai22's recent ban from the forums due to disrespect towards other users/staff, which is a 4 point infraction. He received a warning through the infractions system, which sends out a private message indicating that you have received a forum warning, with the respective punishment that will be received and the point value that punishment will hand out to you. Here's what the private message would look like to you:

Dear (username),

You have received a warning at FlashFlashRevolution.

Reason:
-------
Insulting or Rude Behaviour toward Users

(infraction reason)
-------

Original Post:
(link of post here)
Quote:
(post content)

Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.

All the best,
FlashFlashRevolution

At that point, you will have the opportunity to also communicate with the staff member that issued the warning, in an attempt to alleviate further issues. Continued misbehavior/belligerence will result in another warning, or an actual point-based infraction, depending on how strict the staff member is or how strict the punishment is. Ban lengths are determined based off of how many points you have, with higher point values giving you longer bans.

Single infractions that hand out a large number of points typically give you longer bans than those that are continuously built up (for example: a 20 point infraction in one shot will give you 18 months). However, points built up over time actually have a specific amount of time you have to wait before disappearing, like a probationary period.

As far as more clearly defining what "being rude to a user" is, if it incites a ton of drama or if a person finds offense to it (for example, if the post is reported by an uninvolved party), that's likely grounds for being punished. It's not always possible for a user to read another user's intent when they make a post, and something that might come across as blunt to you might come across as excessively rude to someone else.

[foilman8805]

Re: i got an infraction

i would always get ban messages that were either ".." or "bye"

at least you guys got a sentence

[robertsona]

Re: i got an infraction

can i trade my infractions for sexy lady or brand new car

[A2P]

Re: i got an infraction

can i get an infection

dude, like

I was JUST thinking about posting this exact same post, and then at the same time, I saw this post.

mindfuck

[Bluearrowll]

Re: i got an infraction

FFRPD in full force - when can we expect thrilling car chases through the LA highways?

Infraction system seems pretty neat though. Good job guys ##.

[A2P]

Re: i got an infraction

ps can I be the corrupt cop on the ffrpd

please

[Coolboyrulez0]

Re: i got an infraction

ps can I be the corrupt cop on the ffrpd

please

you already are tgb mod

same thing

[Bluearrowll]

Re: i got an infraction



What'cha gonna do when they come for you?

[Untimely Friction]

Re: i got an infraction

There should be a minimum of 25 characters when a mod describes what the user was banned for...or they can't ban the user because they are not being descriptive enough

This, as a forum moderator and administrator of several things I can't mention (That handle higher volumes than FFR) I can definitively say if that infraction from Velo which I understand was a test simply said "Inexcuseable" Then it's not going to work.

In my experience you should as bad as it sounds treat infractions as you would treat a dog who's just gotten into the garbage, Immediate warning with a clear concise reasoning immediately and fluently explained is the only way a user will
A) KNow what they've done wrong in a timely manner
B) Reflect upon it in the future to correct it if they're mid-post
C) Or have a permanent record in their PM box as a reminder

Anyway Im not a mod here but with the volume of users, I agree with the quoted post to an insane degree. I don't know if there are already solidly set standards for this as I've never been infracted but yeah.

/2cents

Edit: Forgot to finalize the dog part, rub his nose in the garbage and use a term you should have taught it "NO NO BAD NO etc" Or just be cesar and "TSST"

[psychoangel691]

Re: i got an infraction

Most people get a legit reason for their bans and whatnot. The people who tend to get silly/short things are usually users that constantly cause trouble or got it from Jon lol. Infractions go to their PMs so it is there.

Edit: When it comes to infractions other than Jon's test all I've seen is descriptive reasons given out to users so I don't know what the issue is.

[Untimely Friction]

Re: i got an infraction

Most people get a legit reason for their bans and whatnot. The people who tend to get silly/short things are usually users that constantly cause trouble or got it from Jon lol. Infractions go to their PMs so it is there.

A'ight cool, I am once again content. And I knew they went to PM's

Keep up the good work lads and stop trolling Jon.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: i got an infraction

Inexcusable is just a grouping of the infraction and it's quite likely that if a user receives something like this, an explanation isn't needed. That inexcusable grouping is the absolute highest thing you can get, and as it currently stands -- if you receive an infraction labeled inexcusable, you are not welcome on the site anymore, and you will more than likely also be BoS (ban on sight).