Do you see anything wrong?

[Findarian]

Re: Do you see anything wrong?

The real problem arises when people are unwilling to change their minds no matter what, even if their positions are exposed as being incredibly weak/inconsistent/etc.

This is true to anyone using the internet. Unless someone looks up, or really respects the person they're debating, absolutely no change will come out of it and in the end it's typing paragraphs of opinions that do nothing.

I don't see the point of ever arguing a point to anyone on the internet unless it's entertainment at the same time.

[Emanresu13]

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7 days is considered even by most Christians (minus some extremists) to be an entirely symbolic representation of the time frame.

And I encourage you to reread the first chapter of Genesis and you'll come to find the Earth was created in 6 days and the 7th was the "sabbath" or day of rest, which is kind of why you go to church on Sunday.

the point was that the time frame is symbolic. many modern christians think each "God day" is 2bil years or so. tbh, there doesn't have to be a number attached to it. God doesn't have to experience time linearly, so it doesn't matter much.

[Reincarnate]

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the point was that the time frame is symbolic. many modern christians think each "God day" is 2bil years or so. tbh, there doesn't have to be a number attached to it. God doesn't have to experience time linearly, so it doesn't matter much.

Please read up above re: literal interp. vs. allegory

[Emanresu13]

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oh i know, picking and choosing. not gonna argue that. thing is, the way i "pick and choose" is to not. i see the entire thing as symbolic, with exception to "he ate bread" lines, as i stated earlier.

strong chance moses was an intelligent, accomplished leader who wanted to keep his people in line.

strong chance that if most christians are correct about God, then he's a dick, plain and simple. see my "started off serious but devolved into crap" thread.

[Cavernio]

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I just watched/listened to that for the first time a couple hours ago from clicking through my own youtube suggestions without having read this thread.

Also, when I was confirmed as a Catholic, I was given a book called Catechism of the Catholic Church and told by the old lady who sponsored me that back in the day, no one ever read or studied the Bible but the book that she gave me. And I found that being Catholic meant I wasn't viewed as a proper Christian by some christians.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that you can't just refute the Bible to get to christians who may not really believe the Bible much at all, and it ties into the other post I made in this thread, in that religion is fluid and what a religious group of people believe isn't going to be the same from one era or part of the world to another or from one sect to another.

I don't get the whole 'don't want to be serious on the internet' thing that so many people have, unless it's purely a form of keeping themselves sane, which I don't think it is. I can't argue worth shit IRL; too many points to remember and to connect and to express properly, too many interruptions.

[Reincarnate]

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Actually I think science, in itself, is convincing enough on its own merits.

For me, back when I was a theist, the turning point was learning about how evolution worked. Once I understood how it worked, everything else (statistics, physics, logic, history, psychology, chemistry/biology, etc) followed suit and I realized why religion was just manmade myth.

[foxfire667]

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Actually I think science, in itself, is convincing enough on its own merits.

Exactly. My parents were fairly religious people who decided to convey their beliefs to me as a small child (which worked since I had no reason to believe an authoritative figure would be wrong about anything). Although as I grew older and learned about scientific theory, it began to make logical sense how we came into existence. I didn't need religion to answer creation anymore, because I began to understand that logic and evidence are a lot more powerful to me than mere faith alone. Plus I personally feel it is much better to learn new things everyday than it is to "know everything".

Still blows my mind that 90% of the weight in a proton is the empty space where particles to jump in and out of existence; or that our existence is directly tied with the elements created and spread by the supernovas of countless stars.

[Cavernio]

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Emotions trump logic. Every time. I only became atheist after my God relationship bliss disappeared, and only after a couple years of trying to find that feeling again to no avail. My views regarding science didn't change before or after the fact. I told myself all the time that God didn't make sense.

[Emanresu13]

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lol @ chof


religion is pretty much entirely bogus, imo. the idea of a god-like figure is not.

i find it a bit humorous ya'll put so much "faith" in science. scientific results are drawn from our crummy little senses, and interpreted by our crummy little brains. it's the best we got, sure, but it's totes fallible. i ain't even sayin you're wrong, i'm just sayin check yo self.

[Pseudo Enigma]

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requesting skimmed version of this and moved into CT

[devonin]

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If I skim it down to the CT posts and move it to CT, it'll be back in chit-chat inside of a day, unless I just keep pruning and pruning.

[NeoMasterPie]

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[Reincarnate]

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i find it a bit humorous ya'll put so much "faith" in science. scientific results are drawn from our crummy little senses, and interpreted by our crummy little brains. it's the best we got, sure, but it's totes fallible. i ain't even sayin you're wrong, i'm just sayin check yo self.

Science does not require faith.

[Emanresu13]

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airquotes. ;p

it still seems to me that you're trusting your senses and yourself/humanity too much. i don't know that you would want to not do so, i just hope you don't take it for granted.

It's not something "we think we know" unless you are OK with me telling you that you only "think" you're in front of your computer right now and may not "actually" be.

i'm 100% comfortable telling you something along those lines, especially with how you phrased it.

[Reincarnate]

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airquotes. ;p

it still seems to me that you're trusting your senses and yourself/humanity too much. i don't know that you would want to not do so, i just hope you don't take it for granted.



i'm 100% comfortable telling you something along those lines, especially with how you phrased it.

You think that's air you're breathing now?