Do you see anything wrong?

[hi19hi19]

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Religion is like a penis.


It's okay if you are proud of it.
It's okay if you spend a lot of time with it.
It's even okay if you let it guide your life.

But please don't go sticking it in my face. Thanks.

[rushyrulz]

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nice signature. I'm still not convinced you've read the entire thread.

If everyone is going to bitch about that post, I'll go ahead and explain it..
It's basically my sarcastic way of saying who knows what types of advancements we could have made if religion didn't halt scientific growth for a thousand years. The fact that we still haven't recovered from 1000 years ago philosophy is laughable.

[bballa48]

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please watch

tl;dw: at least watch 27:30-30:50 and 39:09-end.
still tl;dw: Arabic cultures were making incredible progress in development of math and science until some philosopher came along and said math is the work of the devil and killed the entire movement indefinitely.

EDIT: I'm getting defensive because you're trying to shut me down by calling me 100% wrong when I'm not.....

There will always be idiots making claims in the name of whatever they can use to establish authority. I get that. Sure, religion has been used to do stupid things. For that I apologize. People who don't believe in God have also been a "poison" to society, so it isn't really fair IMO to just lump all religious people as poisonous. Last I checked Christians don't think math is of the devil.

And Rubix, again I can't take responsibility for all religious people. I, Sean, believe in God. I go to a church that believes in God. I am not anti-gay, nor do I believe all Christians are. I don't really have much of a stance on abortion, although I do think life certainly begins before we emerge from the womb. When exactly that happens I don't really know. I still fail to see how I am in any way slowing education. I believe in evolution. I also believe there was an intentional design to that process. I absolutely, 100% support scientific discovery and advancement.

I surely am not the only Christian who has these beliefs. I do not understand how a single one of these beliefs in any way hinders progress. I also have never forced my beliefs on anyone.

I just think you (atheists) need to stop making assumptions about all Christians. It isn't a bad thing and it isn't poisonous. I have more I could say about it but I don't have time right now. I guess in conclusion I would just say this: don't judge us individually just because there are bone heads who do stupid things in the name of religion.

[rushyrulz]

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Wait, did he just call Neil deGrasse Tyson an idiot?

[iironiic]

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Christianity (and organized religion in general) is poisonous and is demonstrably corrosive to scientific progress.

Clearly, it's not something people are just going to sit back and take. Religion would be fine if everyone kept it to themselves, but that's not what happens in reality.

In most circumstances this is "true", but there are also many other instances where religious significance corresponds to science. This is highly common in the field of number theory. Six and 28 are referred to as perfect numbers. They are also referenced quite a few times in the Bible. Some instances are the six days of creation and the 28-day lunar cycle.

I am not saying the science proves religion or vice versa. I am merely claiming that there are beautiful coincidences between the two.

I agree with this too. I think it's just fine to be open-minded and not necessarily feel obliged to accept these beliefs. Being really open minded, I respect and learn other types but I still hold onto my own beliefs. Although I am not highly religious myself, I have this strange concept of religion that seems absurd, but it's what I believe. To keep it short, I will just say that one should believe what one truly believes. Science cannot prove or disprove religion, religion cannot disprove or prove science. They should be kept separate in their own entities.

[The_Toymaker]

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i have no idea what is going on in this thread, but i'll just leave this here http://www.theblaze.com/stories/80-y...-restoring-it/

[Cavernio]

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Getting back to the OP regarding the school comment, about how hard work = christianity, is a perfect example of how even the same religion can change over time or from one place to another.
I've heard it claimed that the hard work ethic of christians is what caused so much development to happen in North America. Also that in China right now, christianity that places an emphasis on working hard is a suggestion as to why China's economy has boomed.
Sure, to you being christian means loving god and being nice to people, but a mormon for example might follow a completely different lifestyle purely based on their belief of christianity.
It's really not that hard to get. Like, the Bible says a bunch of things that the vast majority if people just choose to ignore. Why is it alright for you to do that? Why is it alright for you to do anything besides worship God on a Sunday? Why do some sects of christianity believe in Hell yet the Bible itself is vague about it? Because religion changes as people change and as leadership changes and as culture changes. You aren't christian because God touched you. You're religious because people introduced you to christianty, and those same people are all invidivuals and all have their own ideas of morality and let's face it, anyone can call anything a tenant of a religion and if they get it to be popular enough, sure enough, now it's God who said that.

As to the real thing about the OP, don't get hung up on people like the poster. If they won't like you because you're not ultra religious and they're super closed-minded, then you don't like them. They're not worth paying attention to.

[Reincarnate]

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In most circumstances this is "true", but there are also many other instances where religious significance corresponds to science. This is highly common in the field of number theory. Six and 28 are referred to as perfect numbers. They are also referenced quite a few times in the Bible. Some instances are the six days of creation and the 28-day lunar cycle.

I am not saying the science proves religion or vice versa. I am merely claiming that there are beautiful coincidences between the two.

That is not "religion corresponding to science." 6 and 28 are common numbers just about everywhere, as are countless other numbers. You can make that tenuous sort of bat-deductive connection just about anywhere.

Batman: Pretty fishy what happened to me on that ladder.
Gordon: You mean, where there's a fish, there could be a Penguin.
Robin: But wait! It happened at sea! See? "C" for Catwoman!
Batman: Yet — that exploding shark was pulling my leg!
Gordon: The Joker!
O'Hara: It all adds up to a sinister riddle... Riddle-er. Riddler?

Confirmation bias ahoy! For instance, if I look for it, I'll see 573 everywhere (max combo to Max 300). But of course, all other numbers appear all the time, too -- I just ignore them/don't attach any significance to them.

Science cannot prove or disprove religion, religion cannot disprove or prove science. They should be kept separate in their own entities.

Actually, it can. All sorts of things in, say, the Bible, are demonstrably false. Young Earth Creationism is a huge example. Science has utterly gutted it, along with countless other claims.

You refer to non-overlapping magisteria, which is unfortunately not what we see. Religion oftentimes makes claims about real-world things, which is inherently stepping on the toes of science and empiricism.

To make it clear:

We know how humans evolved over billions of years. We know where morality comes from and how it was molded. We know the kinds of events that gave rise to life itself. We know how the Earth was formed, how our sun was formed, and how our galaxy was formed. We can calculate things about the Big Bang with absurd levels of precision/accuracy that is supported by independent bodies of evidence.

No religion, at all, is required or necessary to explain any of it. This is why posts as denoted in the OP are just sad. Religion is oftentimes such a divisive, isolating concept.

[kommisar]

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everything about this comic is pure undeniable truth

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion

[Coolboyrulez0]

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Religious threads usually end up turning ugly. It's best if we just stop now.

It is because people are unable to articulate their stance and / or fall into common fallacies every time this arises.

Unfortunately, a full-fledged discussion on religion, I would argue, is not able to occur on a flash DDR simulation site. (wrong audience)

Additionally, people are afraid to voice opinions, due to persecution / alienation by others: "Hi, I'm Eric and I'm an atheist."
State why, rebut if your believes are questioned, eloquently and factually (subjectively if not possible otherwise) and have a successful debate. Not that hard, imo.

Sadly, I realize that is an idealistic standpoint and due to human nature would rarely occur or only in specific settings.

[i heart candy]

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Religious threads usually end up turning ugly. It's best if we just stop now.

Exactly what I said earlier.

Why not talk about religion? What's so taboo about discussing religion vs areligion/science?As long as people stay civil and provide proper arguments to their viewpoints I see no problem in discussion of this topic. You might even learn a thing or two.

It's not that I'm not up to learning something new, but you're basically asking for the impossible. FFR and civil do not mix when it comes to subjects like these. You might as well ask for world peace while you're at it.
And I honestly am disgusted with the staff as well. I can't say the N word because the filter doesn't like it...so then I'll get a ban;however,people can go off saying Christianity is poisonous and it clearly can be found offensive to people on the website. Lol @ logic.

[Reincarnate]

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And I honestly am disgusted with the staff as well. I can't say the N word because the filter doesn't like it and I'll risk a ban;however,people can go off saying Christianity is poisonous and it clearly can be found offensive to people on the website.

So what if it offends? There is a good argument for why Christianity is poisonous that can be substantiated with reason and evidence. You can't really do the same thing with the N word...

Lol@logic indeed

[i heart candy]

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So what if it offends? There is a good argument for why Christianity is poisonous that can be substantiated with reason and evidence. You can't really do the same thing with the N word...

Lol@logic indeed

Then why else would the N word be filtered? Because some people might find it to be offensive. Isn't that the whole reason for implementing the filter on the website?

[DossarLX ODI]

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What he's getting at is that "Christianity is poisonous" is an argument you can make and support with reason and evidence. Filtering a word is not an argument.

[Reincarnate]

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Then why else would the N word be filtered? Because some people might find it to be offensive. Isn't that the whole reason for implementing the filter on the website?

In the context of offensive ideas, the N word is sufficiently high up there on the list such that nothing good comes from it other than spamming/flaming/etc, empirically.

It's entirely possible that the admins could decide to ban religious discussion too if they saw fit, but empirically it's not disruptive enough to justify that, and there are good reasons to support being able to talk about it.