World of Warcraft

[Arrio]

Re: World of Warcraft

Well. DK's are much better tanks then say Pally's or Druids. Threat gen is ridiculously OP and not to mention they have multiple uses in both Single and Add tanking.

[Grandiagod]

Re: World of Warcraft

Did I mention that I lost the best in slot tanking piece(1 hander) to a DK that uses Black Ice typically for tanking?

I'm still pissed off about it.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40402

Yes and then we corrected you about it =x

Also, Paladins are still better tanks than DKs. Paladins can almost guarantee never taking an unmitigated hit, and the threat abilities are FAR above Frost DKs and slightly above Unholy. Druids are the worst from a healer's perspective since they soak up mana like crazy, and their only AOE tanking ability is a frontal swipe that pretty much keeps them GCD locked.

[Izzy]

Re: World of Warcraft

What ever happened to warriors tanking. Back before tbc you would see almost 90% of 60 warriors being prot. I miss the good ol'days of 40 man raids and 10 hour alteric valleys with pvp ranking.

[WTFBrandon]

Re: World of Warcraft

I was wondering.
What would be the best 1 hand sword for lets say... rogues?
Since im maining one atm and it's been a few months that i've played the game and got a decent start with raiding and so on.
A lot of people fail on my server... don't know how to heal or tank or really do anything.
My friend PvP'ed with me not to long ago when he made a DK on my server and said I did really well for it being my second month playing.
But, I wanna know what I should be doing for when I reach 80, what I should be doing on my way there, so on.
Since you guys sounds pretty exp'ed with the game so far.
ALSO!
A good enchant for rogues aswell (on the sword), i saw Beserking and it looked pretty damn cool and really effective for a rogue. But i wanna know what is the best, since I remember my friend showing me mongoose a long time ago when I was at his house. (at that time I didn't play) and he told me that was the best and looked sick.
I have an idea on what Beserking does but I forget, I know what mongoose does.
So which is better in someones opinion?
Also, best 1 hand swords I should be looking into getting.

Found

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40407

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40491

They look pretty beast and so far the best. Anything beat that?
Also, how do I get them... I don't see either of them in a drop list. I guess I can just worry about that what i'm 80.
But damn, those are sexy.

[DrKirth]

Re: World of Warcraft

I used to be a DW fury warrior pre-BC, and it was great. But now there's a chronic shortage of tanks on my server so I went prot.

[Sir Psycho]

Re: World of Warcraft

The biggest reason why I'm upset about the DK taking the weapon, was that weapon was the deal breaker for letting me be one of the boss tanks(because my gear was lacking, yet my stats weren't).

Well. DK's are much better tanks then say Pally's or Druids. Threat gen is ridiculously OP and not to mention they have multiple uses in both Single and Add tanking.

Feral druids are great for damage soakers(Like hateful strikes and such) because they can generate ridiculous threat to stay second on threat, have ridiculous dodge, health and armor.

DKs make good tanks with bosses that have a segment of the fight of a timed spike in damage because their cool downs don't take that long(IE - 3Drakes Sartharion)

Paladins are the best AoE tanks. And I guess no one could possibly beat them in an undead fight(unless Exorcism isn't an efficient skill to use, same with Holy Wrath).

And warrior tanks are still the best single target tanks. We take less damage than a paladin hit with a full hit(Even though we have 23.5k armor too, which is ~60%, we get an extra 10% just for being in defensive stance), our skills are more geared to a single target.(I manage to get off 3 Heroic Strikes, 5 Devastates, 1 Revenge and 3-4 Shield Slams in 9 seconds... Which is a ton of threat... I can't remember the exact amount, but I've pulled that off in an opening of a boss fight and that topped me at about 100k threat and 7.9k TPS), our cool downs make us invulnerable basically for 15 seconds(60% less damage, 30% maximum health, and 100% increased Block Rating and Block Value[That means Patches hits me for about 2k, I have 49k health, and I can block 127% of the time and block up to 5k damage]).

I'm not saying another tank couldn't do that, they can. I know they can. I've played a feral tank, a prot pally in TBC, and tanked on my warrior since vanilla WoW(never did a raid though, such a shame), I'm just saying what each tank class is *typically* used for.

[Sir Psycho]

Re: World of Warcraft

Longest post I've made yet O_o.

WoW is srs business

[devonin]

Re: World of Warcraft

~60%, we get an extra 10% just for being in defensive stance

And Pally tanks get an extra 3% for blessing sanctuary, and another 6% for improved righteous fury, so we're basically at par on that

our skills are more geared to a single target.(I manage to get off 3 Heroic Strikes, 5 Devastates, 1 Revenge and 3-4 Shield Slams in 9 seconds... Which is a ton of threat

Taunt pull, avenger's shield, judge, shield of righteousness, hammer of righteousness, consecrate, holy shield, and the vast majority of it is holy damage which deals +90% threat so it basically counts for double.

And I guess no one could possibly beat them in an undead fight(unless Exorcism isn't an efficient skill to use, same with Holy Wrath).

Exorcism is -always- the pull skill of choice when fighting undead -or- demons (So far more often that you might think) Holy wrath is fantastic for fights with lots of adds (Kel'Thuzad right before he goes active is a great time for holy wrath, you get about 1200 damage per target, about 2000 threat each, and it stuns for 3 seconds) I was maintanking Patches (Thus, technically -not- the best of the two tanks, since you want the person with more health to be second on the list to soak the hateful strikes) and pretty much entirely because of how efficient exorcism and holy wrath are on undead/demons, the other tank, who can outthreat me in most cases fairly easily, was able to not hold back at all and still stay second on the list.

[Sir Psycho]

Re: World of Warcraft

And Pally tanks get an extra 3% for blessing sanctuary, and another 6% for improved righteous fury, so we're basically at par on that

But if a warrior gets Blessing of Sanctuary, we're at 13%. You're at 9%.


I hate taunt pulling. It doesn't give any initial threat. I guess it makes sense for a ranged pull, but that's what Avenger's Shield is for.

And I love being the OT on Patches. I love seeing big numbers fly over my head. <3

[devonin]

Re: World of Warcraft

Well, Paladins only -had- Avenger's Shield as a ranged pulling mechanism. Sometimes it was necessary to only pull one guy, and finally having a ranged single target pull is a hell of a lot more efficient than having someone else pull and then taunting the mob off them.

Also, the single target taunt is INCREDIBLY useful as an off-tank. Previously, if the main tank got adds on them, you had to pull them off purely by threat generation lest you taunt the main think they were tanking off them as well. Now at least you can peel guys away as you need to.

[Grandiagod]

Re: World of Warcraft

And Pally tanks get an extra 3% for blessing sanctuary, and another 6% for improved righteous fury, so we're basically at par on that

Don't forget that BoS can be cast on warriors too =).

Taunt pull,

Do not taunt pull unless the mobs are already coming at you or after a healer (Gothik the Harverster would be an example) and all your ranged spells are on CD. Taunt pull = "Mobs come at me for two seconds, whoops someone did something and now they're running off and now my taunt is on CD. Now i have to run to the mob and grab aggro whooo i just made everything harder on myself.

[Izzy]

Re: World of Warcraft

Tanking is a joke now compared to what warrior tanks and off tanks had to deal with in 40 man naxx and AQ. Why even argue, they are all easy and easy to heal.

[Tokzic]

Re: World of Warcraft

I was wondering.
What would be the best 1 hand sword for lets say... rogues?

the best one handed sword for let's say rogues is wait a second did you say sword

respec assassination because combat is garbage rofl

[devonin]

Re: World of Warcraft

Do not taunt pull unless the mobs are already coming at you or after a healer

There are times, when as long as your DPS aren't morons and can follow instructions, it is perfectly good to taunt pull.

Snakes at the start of Gundrak for example. They're spaced too far to hit more than one with a shield. Taunt the lead one, as they come over they bunch up, throw shield, threat established. You just need your DPS to understand what "Don't DPS until I throw shield" means.

[Kagome]

Re: World of Warcraft

Don't forget about Shield of Templar. That's another 3% reduction for paladins.