Where will game advancement stop?

[slipstrike0159]

Re: Where will game advancement stop?

haha thanks slip. I was looking for someone who might have an actual point of view on this.

Well you see you're right. Even right now we could be in a video game and not know it (definitly not true though) but still. You could put laws on video games. Can't have too immense pain... can't die... etc. Yes life might be better but you have to realize that your body still exists outside of the game. When you're hungry or need to sleep then the game would give you a warning type thing. maybe a hunger level bar? XD I dunno but something that would connect you to the real world.

No matter what you would die if you didn't feed yourself and do the other basic needs. So it would motivate you to get a job etc. Think about how many people "fiend" WoW or other addictive games like that, even ffr. People have their parents to control them. If it weren't for my parents I would have dropped out of school to play video games (when I had no sense what so ever). By the time you're out of your parents control you already have a sense of what you need and want in life. You'd need a job but really you could spend all of your free time on this. Pretending your life is better than it is. Depressed people could have great lives; people suffering through cancer and other diseases could have really good experiences before dying and not have to feel the pain that they would normally feel. A lot of good things could come from this but it would just have to be controlled.

As for the robbing thing... by the point that we can actually put someone's mind into another object/person we'll either have such good security that there wouldn't be that problem; Or people who could afford this would already have good security.

I really like the idea of putting criminals into that kinda thing but why not instead put them to use? make them be minds of robots building things? or... workers doing somethin? I dunno. You could even make a hell if you wanted, for those who would go to jail.


Finally: Vash, yes you were putting them down. You specifically said that they could find a way to get laid without using real girls - saying that they can't get laid without the use of their computers. Don't post in here again, ur taking up space and you don't have anything good to say about this topic. Nobody in this thread wants to hear your smart*** remarks. If you actually wanna talk about this and not be a douche then feel free. Otherwise go find some other thread to spew your trashy thoughts in.

My point is that it will have to be EXTREMELY controlled to make these types of games worthwhile to invest in. You would have to put a million different types of restraints and limitations on it because in most cases, you cant put only a specific part of your brain into something, you would have to put your entire conciousness into it. In such a case it would be like sleeping, either you are completely into it or you are only half awake so the game would not be appealing because half of your mind is in the real world. If it was like sleeping and you were tricking your brain into thinking certain things then your brain would not know when your body is hungry or other such things. Really, the only way i could see this kind of virtual reality actually work effectively is if we used it in the sleep type of format except in this case we would activate more parts of the brain so as to let you remember and use logical decisions while inside. The major part of this process would include seperating your body's nervous systems and such (putting them on standby, you know what i mean) which could mean that it is possible to die in the real world while in the game with your brain having no warning.
With restraints comes the ability to break said restraints, you must understand this concept because even if boundaries are put in place there are still people who will be smart enough to get past them. With this new technology comes a new way to commit various crimes.
I like the idea of making an unpleasant place for criminals to reside however i KNOW that there would be a huge moral conflict involved with doing such a thing.
In conclusion, there would have to be a clock and gage for pretty much every aspect of your body, otherwise a vast amount of problems would arise.

[oD]

Re: Where will game advancement stop?

Yes I agree. The moral issue with criminal treatment would be a problem but you could always make it as if they are in virtual jail. It'd be extremely easy to control and they couldn't get away.

Thats also a possibility. Replacing sleep with this. Where your body would shut down but you would have a "controlled dream"? I like that idea cuz it would be cool to be able to mould your own dreams or do what you want in your dreams.

[LifereaperX]

Re: Where will game advancement stop?

Yes I agree. The moral issue with criminal treatment would be a problem but you could always make it as if they are in virtual jail. It'd be extremely easy to control and they couldn't get away.

Thats also a possibility. Replacing sleep with this. Where your body would shut down but you would have a "controlled dream"? I like that idea cuz it would be cool to be able to mould your own dreams or do what you want in your dreams.

Isn't that what they have in the movie Minority Report?

[slipstrike0159]

Re: Where will game advancement stop?

Thats also a possibility. Replacing sleep with this. Where your body would shut down but you would have a "controlled dream"? I like that idea cuz it would be cool to be able to mould your own dreams or do what you want in your dreams.

Thats what im saying, because all of the elements needed to accomplish such feats that realistically would be impossible become real in a dream state of mind. So yeah it would just have to be controlled with more possibilities and instead of your mind relying off of your own memories and experiences it is diverted to the game info off of the disk so to speak. However, i see virtual reality not going as far as you think, i couldnt really imagine having the ability to feel the surroundings while in it and still have minimal margin for serious error. In short, virtual reality is the limit with limits on how far advanced that will get.

P.S - We have had virtual reality and simulators of such for a long time now. They are just not all that great and massive multiplayer scenarios seem unlikely right now.

[evilbutterfly]

Re: Where will game advancement stop?

I prefer the scripted AI that they already have in the games. That learning AI would just suck.

As it is, most game companies just make the "hard" AI cheat A LOT. Like, Dyansty Warriors has been pissing off my roommate recently because on hard the enemies will block things from behind (when YOU block you only protect the 1/4 of you facing forward) and use their special attack (which takes a while for YOU to charge up) twice or three times in a row. Having a really cheap opponent that just cheats to win is no fun, but having a REAL challenge like a learning AI system would make things a lot better.

Also, actual REAL learning by a computer is not possible. All a programmer can do is make the enemy react a certain way based on differing input from the user. Supreme Commander has a somewhat learning AI. Within a match, they scout out your base and find out what you don't have (just like a real person would do) and then hit you with something you can't defend against. Like, if you make massive ground defenses and don't have anything to shoot down aircraft, they will launch a ton of bombers at you and blow you to hell. There's a balance between time spent programming and goodness of AI (as in, it actually performs well and doesn't just rely on cheating). I mean, if a programmer sat and programmed for EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE action you could do and made a reaction to it in the AI then you could ridiculously good AI, but this would 1) be tons of work and would delay the game and 2) would slow down your computer when playing against the AI, cuz of the immense number of calculations and figuring of what to do. As it is, it's easier and faster to make general cases. Like in the example before, the AI just checks to see if amount of ground defense > amount of air defense and then acts according.

Anywho, as for virtual realtiy, it won't get far until LONG after we're technologically able to do it, because of the negative stigma associated with it. It's kinda like robots and the western world. Lots of movies, TV, and books portraying AI-controlled robots becoming self aware and attacking humans makes the masses distrusting of robots (in the west, at least. In places like Japan, where the media portrays friendly robots, people have robots in their everyday lives already). The same has happened with virtual reality, with a lot of scary but not-very-plausible situations happening in movies that make the easily-scared masses afraid to embrace things like this.

[slipstrike0159]

Re: Where will game advancement stop?

Also, actual REAL learning by a computer is not possible.

The same has happened with virtual reality, with a lot of scary but not-very-plausible situations happening in movies that make the easily-scared masses afraid to embrace things like this.

Hmmm... really? So you are saying that we cant actually make a brain that gives a few pieces of metal the ability to think? Go figure...

Virtual reality gone wrong as portrayed by the media? Thats happened like... once maybe? I dont know where you live but i guarantee that save a few paranoid people, last time i checked most people arent dumb enough to believe the media and be afraid of a mass killing spree from the result of upgrading our computers too much =\.