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  • evilbutterfly
    FFR Player
    • Apr 2003
    • 5784

    #8566
    Re: MapleStory

    My worst exp rates were still 8-9%. I never went too far below 10% an hour. But seriously, TRY FLYEYES. I got about 5% an hour at them with my 91 mage an his slow ass explosion. Also, you get TONS OF WINGS and lots of lower level drops you can NPC (and some worthwhile things, like KFans). The fact that you can stay on one spot (the little ledge on the far right) and continuously hit them makes them pretty damn good. Just try it.

    But uh, Afro explained it pretty well, but let's make it more math-y looking for everybody.

    Let's say something hits you for 1k damage and you have 990hp.

    990hp + ~22 defense (hard to get with scrolling) = you take 989 damage and survive with 1hp.
    990hp + 85hp (100%'d pig headband) = you take 1k damage but survive with 75hp.

    Here it'd be dumb to scroll for def because it's simply easier (by far) to get hp and it does what it needs to do.

    Now let's say you take 1k damage but have 1500hp. You have passed 7 60%s for hp and for defense on two separate helmets (14wdef/14mdef on one and 70hp on the other). Now let's look:

    HP scrolled hat: You still take 1k damage. You survive just fine, ending up with 570 hp after each hit.
    Defense scrolled hat: You take about 993 damage. You survive just fine, with 507 hp after each hit.

    Now let's say you get hit once every 15 seconds, or 4 times a minute. You train for a few hours, or 180 minutes. Thus, you get hit 720 times.

    With the HP scrolled hat: You take 1k * 720 = 720,000 damage after a few hours.
    With the def scrolled hat: You take 993 * 720 = 714,960 damage after a few hours.

    After a few hours, you've taken 5,040 less damage because of that defense. While the HP hat will help keep you alive easier than a defense hat would, that defense hat saves you about 5k worth of pots every few hours. Afro isn't saying that this small savings is a big deal, he's just saying that saving SOME money is better than not saving any money at all. Also, if something is hitting you for 1k and you have 1500 hp, you'd need to get 501hp from equips in order to be able to take 2 hits without dying. Most HP an archer can get from equips (10%'d overall and hat) would be 280. With HB that'd be 392. You just can't get 501hp easily. If you're only ~50hp away from taking an extra hit, THEN scroll for HP.

    That's all Afro was saying. Besides, if you're at flyeyes or pixies the extra defense will lower their damage enough to make a huge difference, since they aren't doing 1k+ to you, so a few points difference is a bigger deal. Also, if you're gonna scroll something for HP, just 100% a pig ribbon headband. +85hp with 100%s on it, as opposed to +70% on a perfectly 60%'d ANYTHING ELSE. Sure, it won't have any stat boosts on it, but staying alive is worth some extra damage, IMO.
    So I've gone completely slack-ass and haven't done any work on creating games. =(

    In less-depressing news, I got a job for an online business (which sells non-electronic games, of all things!) which has taught me a lot about marketing online and all that jazz.

    So now I'm on Twitter @NoahWright.
    And I write the blog for their website.

    Plus I do cool programming in-house that you'll never see. =O

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    • Squeek
      let it snow~
      • Jan 2004
      • 14444

      #8567
      Re: MapleStory

      The point is you never use potions to bring your health back up fully so HP doesn't matter.

      kthx

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      • ProtoMDS
        FFR Player
        • Jun 2006
        • 219

        #8568
        Re: MapleStory

        Not that it matters much, but 60% helmet defence only gives +1 m.def, not +2. Ignore what it says in-game.
        Hunting for tobis will do this to you.
        Originally posted by pale
        how Craig isn't shooting lasers from his eyes and destroying entire cities in wrath is beyond me.
        Originally posted by Johnson
        Usually the good lord works in mysterious ways. BUT NOT TODAY. This here is 66 tonnes of straight up, HE spewing divine intervention. If God is love, then you can call me Cupid.

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        • Afrobean
          Admiral in the Red Army
          • Dec 2003
          • 13262

          #8569
          Re: MapleStory

          Noah and Squeek pretty much hit was I was saying right on the head. It is true that as Noah said, that in theory you save money via using less pots, but it's also true as Squeek said that pots are often overused, especially in a situation where you can only take one hit before having to pot otherwise you die.

          Really, the only reasons to scroll a hat for ANY stat (as of now anyway... I'll get into that later...*) are: if it will let you take one more hit than you would be able to otherwise (HP), or if you can take a few hits and you never overpot yourself to be full or for the rare case of an additional few accuracy in passed 10% (defense).

          *Apparently some versions have other scrolls for helms. I hear we might get helm for int eventually

          And cam, really, I would suggest simply not scrolling it. Go ahead and scroll it for HP, if you want, even though it likely won't matter at all and will just make you feel more comfortable (and trust me, I know how it is to worry about HP going all the way down from one hit... but I got used to it and I'm sure you can too) or it could be for e-penis reasons (ie "LOL I HAEV MORE HP THAN YOU OWNED"). In the end though, I'd say you're going to just be going to bigger and bigger things, so defense won't really help you anyway because you'll be overpotting anyway, and HP likely won't save you from being able to take more hits. scrolling for HP might help you out eventually down the road, but I don't think it'll do anything for you right now (and as Noah said, if you're worried about being able to take a hit, scroll a pig head band 100% for HP).

          @protomds: we're not even talking mdef anyway. And unless I'm mistaken, mdef is worth less than def right?

          oh and btw, there was a thread about HP versus def at SW a while back. I think I posted in it. I'll see if I can find a link.

          EDIT: oh I think I may have misunderstood Squeek. Oh well. I got the point across in my post, even if that's not what Squeek meant.

          EDIT: The topic mentions mages, but I feel it applies all across the board (disregarding the priest specific stuff, that is)
          Last edited by Afrobean; 09-6-2006, 06:47 PM.

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          • TheAznLarry
            FFR Player
            • May 2006
            • 198

            #8570
            Re: MapleStory

            All right guys, time to bring out the screenshot whore inside me.

            Oni = Best. Lent me 8 mil for my sexy doom.

            WTFUX WHY COULDN'T I GET IT

            Bonk = awesome. I've leeched at least 50% at zombies and he didn't mind one bit =) I'd still be like 67 now if it wasn't for b0nk haha (PS:OMG70)

            My sword is all grown up *tear* No more short purple dildo!

            Self explanatory.

            Ditto.

            YOU CRAFTY TYLUS, YOU!


            More advancement pics to come. Haven't officially reached 3rd job yet
            Last edited by TheAznLarry; 09-6-2006, 08:32 PM.

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            • Bahamut-X
              FFR Player
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Nov 2004
              • 3399

              #8571
              Re: MapleStory

              Wtf is up with your HP/MP o.O

              Mine at 70:


              That's weird. No bonuses in this pic either.

              PS Nice job. Page in 6x is gaaaaay.

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              • TheAznLarry
                FFR Player
                • May 2006
                • 198

                #8572
                Re: MapleStory

                Originally posted by Bahamut-X
                Wtf is up with your HP/MP o.O

                Mine at 70:
                *picture*

                That's weird. No bonuses in this pic either.

                PS Nice job. Page in 6x is gaaaaay.
                Yeah. I put a point into powerstrike first, so I dunno if that affected 1 point of max hp recovery. As for MP, =\

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                • banditcom
                  FFR Player
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 6243

                  #8573
                  Re: MapleStory

                  MapleStoryMapleStoryMapleStoryMapleStoryMapleStory

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                  • ckj846
                    FFR Player
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2437

                    #8574
                    Re: MapleStory

                    Originally posted by sleepywood thread posted
                    Defense scrolling is better in the long run, than HP scrolling. HP scrolling is useless; it has a false facade of appearing useful.

                    Consider:
                    3 defense protects you from about 1 damage. So if you have a 6/7 scrolled helmet, you would have +12 weapon defense (ignore magic defense for now). That means every time you get bumped by a monster, any monster, you will take ~4-5 less damage.

                    If you had a 6/7 scrolled HP helmet, you'd have 60 more HP.

                    Let's say you have 700 HP. You will have 12 more defense in scenario A, and a total of 760 HP in scenario B.

                    How many times do you get touch damaged per level? Thousands? It builds up. You will end up saving millions of mesos in saved MP and HP pot usage due to helmet defense scrolling (assuming you have the helmet for more than 10 levels - that's when it is profitable).

                    While HP scrolling is good for only ONE thing - making you survive an extra hit. Let's say you're fighting tauromacis, whose lightning attack does anywhere from 620-700 damage. Let's say it does 720 damage exactly all the time. If you didn't have HP scrolling, you'd die. The helmet defense isn't enough to protect you from dying.

                    Are you going to be fighting tauromacis for 10 levels? I don't think so. 60 HP is nothing. It's a blatant waste of your money. 60% helmet HP scrolls cost very much $$$, while helmet defense are significantly less.

                    It's like buying a hybrid car. In the long run, you end up paying for the gas you use with the money you save by using less gas (as compared to a regular car). That's what helmet defense scrolling is. Everytime you get hit with a scrolled helmet, think "I'm saving myself 4 mesos." That's not a lot? Well it builds up. After tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of hits (which takes place over the course of many levels), you find yourself saving 4 mil.

                    What do you get if you die? You lose 5%. Not money. And besides, you only die if you're fighting things that rely on the borderline HP of having 10 extra HP or whatnot. You will not be fighting those things for ten levels.

                    In conclusion, Helmet HP scrolling is really shallow. It may give you extra HP, but it leaves your defenses the same as before you scrolled, while in a sense, helmet defense scrolling actually gives you "protection."

                    Edit - At mid levels (4x, 5x, 6x) helmet defense scrolling is SUPERIOR to helmet HP scrolling. But once you start killing Grims and such, you may think "more HP = better" -> this is only true in one case - if you have enough HP to not use guard. That's the only point when HP is beneficial, and that's only if you have TONS more. Not just 40-50, but I'm talking around 200-300 more HP. Then, the fact that you'll be only using healing potions (or cleric's heals) and not MP pots will greatly outweigh the tiny amount of money you save each time you get hit.

                    Only when you start using ELIXIRS will helmet HP be better than helmet defense, because the amount you heal depends on your HP. If you get 60 more HP, that means your elixir will heal 30 more HP. And that's 30 mesos. And that's more than the 4 mesos you save everytime you get hit. But otherwise, my argument still stands that for mid levels, helmet HP is useless.
                    Thanks for linking that Afro and clearing it up for me. I think I have 60% helmet def on my mule anyways and it will save me a lot of money. Sorry for being an ignorant asshole, like usual. I'm at 50% right now and I'm actually sorta thinking of not making a video because of school and I'm way too lazy to film, let alone edit and all that stuff.
                    O_o
                    pyro31191: TELL EVERYONE YOU WANT TO TAKE IT IN THE ASS NOW
                    pyro31191: rofl
                    pyro31191: You should tell them earlier though
                    pyro31191: so they can buy dildos instead of fleshlights

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                    • scorpio1690
                      FFR Player
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 4817

                      #8575
                      Re: MapleStory

                      I get a little over 20% an hour with Bonk at Z3. I like it.

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                      • ProtoMDS
                        FFR Player
                        • Jun 2006
                        • 219

                        #8576
                        Re: MapleStory

                        FWAHAHAHAH lvl 61 I'm a naturally slow leveller ._. I get distracted too much. I'd be at ~15% if i didn't PQ with my friend's dit.
                        Hunting for tobis will do this to you.
                        Originally posted by pale
                        how Craig isn't shooting lasers from his eyes and destroying entire cities in wrath is beyond me.
                        Originally posted by Johnson
                        Usually the good lord works in mysterious ways. BUT NOT TODAY. This here is 66 tonnes of straight up, HE spewing divine intervention. If God is love, then you can call me Cupid.

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                        • ellikinz
                          FFR Player
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 43

                          #8577
                          Re: MapleStory

                          So.

                          I was talking to a friend today and i made a typo.
                          How cute?

                          e l l i k i n z: i think im gonna play mepple
                          e l l i k i n z: hahahaha
                          e l l i k i n z: mepple
                          Him: meplle
                          Him: Rofl


                          We have fun making each other look stupid..


                          ELLY <3's EVI [duh.]
                          ^_~ "Thats when we turn out the lights"

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                          • happyhardcor3
                            FFR Player
                            • Jul 2006
                            • 180

                            #8578
                            Re: MapleStory

                            so i play maple story, and i figured i'd go ahead and post in the forum =D, i currently have a 70 priest and a nooblet sin =(. anyone i know play this game too? =D

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                            • bobbycat73
                              FFR Player
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 339

                              #8579
                              Re: MapleStory

                              Originally posted by happyhardcor3
                              so i play maple story, and i figured i'd go ahead and post in the forum =D, i currently have a 70 priest and a nooblet sin =(. anyone i know play this game too? =D
                              Maybe if you said your IGN and world, we'd be able to tell.
                              aids

                              http://mafia.cheats4us.org/index.php?x=241521 <- Hot asian chicks!!

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                              • ckj846
                                FFR Player
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 2437

                                #8580
                                Re: MapleStory



                                Sigh.. more jackasses. I just ended up CCing. Oh, note % =D
                                O_o
                                pyro31191: TELL EVERYONE YOU WANT TO TAKE IT IN THE ASS NOW
                                pyro31191: rofl
                                pyro31191: You should tell them earlier though
                                pyro31191: so they can buy dildos instead of fleshlights

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