The PS3 Is Here.

[evilbutterfly]

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Squeek that's BS and you know it. Especially after a class action suit against them, there weren't THAT many rebuys because of that breaking problem.

PS: I've owned 3 PS2s, but we always get a warranty on any Best Buy purchases (except like, DVDs and games), so we've actually made money because of PS2s breaking after price breaks. =)

EDIT rather than overpost: Benny, there's a problem with the laser. They get offset overtime just from normal wear and tear. They get calibrated wrong because of this and stop being able to read certain kinds of games. Both the PS2s I had with the Disc Read Error problem stopped being able to read purple and black bottom discs (most are yellow, but some PS2 games have purple bottoms and PS1 games are black). The problem slowly got worse and we asked Best Buy to fix it cuz it was under warranty and they said it was a common problem. It was such a common problem that there was a big suit and Sony lost. If your PS2 has this specific error, you can call up Sony and make them fix it free of charge. It's a really simple thing to fix if you know how, but most people don't wanna void their warranty so they just send it in or ignore the problem.

[Benny1]

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I STILL don't know why ps2's break. Ours did break recently, but that was COMPLETELY my fault, and it has not had any problems caused by the model, production, or anything.

ps: It was like 6 years old.
ps: sony products don't break in my house, I don't get it at all.

[sjoecool1991]

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Well, PS2's may break down, but Xbox 360's break down unusually fast, and i'm not getting one just for that reason.

[Squeek]

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PS: I've owned 3 PS2s, but we always get a warranty on any Best Buy purchases (except like, DVDs and games), so we've actually made money because of PS2s breaking after price breaks. =)

And does that not add to the total?

Think man. Think.

Best Buy had three of its PlayStation 2s removed from their inventory only to be placed in your hands. That counts as three Playstation 2s sold.

You think Sony would be the kind of company to remove the original two you had from the total count? No. Three of their products left a retailer. That's three sold.

Not to say that Microsoft and Nintendo don't do the same thing, but it's uncommon for one of those to break down. At least not as common as it is for a ps2.

PS - Look on eBay for how many people don't care to fix the DRE themselves and just opt to get a new one. People are lazy EB. Very lazy. So lazy that a large portion of our society would be totally suckered into paying full price for something instead of handling the mail-in rebates. Suckers.

~Squeek

[evilbutterfly]

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You're still reaching. Half of sales? It's BS. How you can be so ignorant and hypocritical is mind-boggling. Get our head out from up Nintendo's ass and think straight for a little bit, please. =\

[Squeek]

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Ok, sorry. I don't have any proof other than statistics offered to me without much research.

Every person I know who owns a Playstation 2 has purchased more than one.

This is over two dozen people.

So maybe I just met the wrong people then? People who are very good at breaking things instead of those who take care of things?

You said it yourself! Your Best Buy guy said it! "THIS IS A COMMON PROBLEM. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THIS PROBLEM."

Come on man, put two and two together. Or rather, divide by two.

~Squeek

[Grandiagod]

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Ha, I bought three. But now that I think about it, if it wasn't good, I would not have bought it multiple times.

Besides, I have had only one PSP and my last PS2 is incredibly tough. I think Sony's getting better at product reliability.

[nforcer06164]

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Sony getting better at reliability? Hah! I had a regular Sony tube TV for not even 10 years... guess what? Every 20 seconds or so, the screen would go blank for 5 seconds, not to mention that it took a full 60 seconds to the picture to appear when first turned on. We recently replaced it with a plasma Samsung, but damn... TVs are not supposed to go out like that.

Sony might have high-end technology working for them, but they sure don't build for endurance.

[lord_carbo]

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Out of 5 people I have ever asked about their PS2's, 4 have bought or recieved another PS2, whether for getting the slim version or because of it breaking. I think that last person has only had a PS2 for about 2, maybe 2 and a half years.

[Squeek]

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The evidence is staggering EB. See what I mean.

Sorry to just assume, but it's so plainly obvious.

It's not even just the Playstation 2. TVs break down before long, stereos just suck, CD players have no durability whatsoever (put it in your backpack and watch it die).

I refuse to buy Sony products because I know they just don't last. I have eight, ten, twenty year old electronics in my house. I know some people who need to get a new one every few years cuz they refuse to get anything that isn't a Sony.

They just aren't built to last.

~Squeek

[evilbutterfly]

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If they're really so bad that's more of a reason for me to get one. Warranty + electronics that get exponentially better + fauly stuff the breaks before 5 years is up = gain for me.

However, this evidence is not staggering. They lost a lot of money because of it being faulty. You're grasping at straws to make Sony look bad because you're horribly biased. They could come out with the best thing in the world and you'd downplay it to no end. It's really annoying. Yes, PS2 break down. Did it cause Sony a lil bit more sales? Probably. Was it "the primary reason PS2 outsold X-Box"? Of course not. Quit pulling things out of your ass. Until you get me some actual proof (and "well my friends say" and "out of the 5 people I know" doesn't count. Any time people use that same evidence for the other side people like you attack them about it) then I'll keep saying you're full of crap, cuz you obviously are.

[lord_carbo]

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However, this evidence is not staggering. They lost a lot of money because of it being faulty. You're grasping at straws to make Sony look bad because you're horribly biased. They could come out with the best thing in the world and you'd downplay it to no end. It's really annoying. Yes, PS2 break down. Did it cause Sony a lil bit more sales? Probably. Was it "the primary reason PS2 outsold X-Box"? Of course not.

Maybe not, but it gives hyperbolized facts and figures that make it seem like the PS2 outsold the Xbox and Gamecube by more than it did. By a landslide? Oh sure, but most likely not as extreme as Sony makes it out to be.

Until you get me some actual proof (and "well my friends say" and "out of the 5 people I know" doesn't count. Any time people use that same evidence for the other side people like you attack them about it) then I'll keep saying you're full of crap, cuz you obviously are.

When a bunch of people say it, maybe it isn't that much crap. Mind you, I will admit that Squeek and nforcer have little Nintendo fanboys inside of them, but we've got a few others saying things about how PS2s aren't so durable.

Just to note, I'm seriously considering buying a used PS2 once I get the money. I have nothing against Sony. I've never owned a Sony product besides blank CDs from Sony, so I have very little "personal experience" to share (those CDs weren't bad, but they weren't good, either, but I won't get into it because you'll have more of a reason to think I'm biased against Sony).

[Squeek]

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ps eb I've already ordered a DRE'd PS2 from Ebay for my birthday present.

They're cheap because people are too lazy to fix them by themselves, whereas I've already fixed like half a dozen.

rofl

~Squeek

[Squeek]

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ps

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/06/26/for-sony-everything-old-is-new-again

Good read, good watch.

PS he's an official Playstation Magazine person.

~Squeek

[Squeek]

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Bump.

Sorry guys. Everything I read on Joystiq about the PS3 is bad news. I just happen to be the bearer of said news.

Seems the guy who pushed the $600 price tag on you all isn't satisfied with this extortion and wants to get even more from ya.

Are you of the mind that $60 is too much to spend for a video game? According to Spong, they say that Sony exec Kaz Hirai has told PlayStation Magazine that anything over $59 should be expected as far as pricing goes for their next-generation games. Spong quotes Hirai in PSM:

"I don't think consumers expect software pricing to suddenly double. So, the quick answer is that we want to make it as affordable as possible, knowing that there is a set consumer expectation for what software has cost for the past twelve years. That's kind of the best answer I can give you. So, if it becomes a bit higher than $59, don't ding me, but, again, I don't expect it to be $100."

So, really, how much should we all be spending on games? I've had many a casual gamer come up and mention that they heard the PS3 games will cost upwards of $80. I don't think we will see that this generation, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Is Metal Gear Solid 4 worth $80-$90? How about $70?

...

Whereas on the other turf, the Nintendo president promised no more than $50, with lower prices for certain third party titles (similar to how the Super Monkey Ball games were $30 each when they were released).

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/06/28/how-much-would-you-spend-on-a-ps3-game/

~Squeek