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  • Izzy
    Snek
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Jan 2003
    • 9195

    #1831
    Re: Diablo 3

    Originally posted by HalfStep
    50% to 75% Damage reduction is effectively 50% damage reduction.

    Are you guys being real right now it's not fucking rocket surgery
    That makes more sense, nobody has pointed it out that way. No need to be a dick.


    Found a good explanation.
    Last edited by Izzy; 04-24-2014, 12:11 PM.

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    • MrGiggles
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2005
      • 2846

      #1832
      Re: Diablo 3

      I'm getting pretty close to 1.5k all-resist thanks to One with Everything being an absurdly excellent passive.

      Still takes a millenia to kill things at t2, I need to start finding some %skill/%elemental damage to augment my paltry 250k sheet damage, preferably replacing some of the less useful AR rolls I have on a few pieces of equipment. I'm undecided on whether to go for a fire damage build (Vulcan Claw Kick, Inner fire, Mangle) or lightning build (Hands of Lightning, Scorpion Sting). Probably depends on what drops for me, although the ability to keep enemies stunned 9 out of every 10 seconds makes me hope I get lightning drops.

      I rather hope I die soon, though. It's really hard and time-consuming to find gear that's 'better' once you hit the level cap, and I'm ready to roll a Crusader.

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      • hi19hi19
        lol happy
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Oct 2005
        • 12194

        #1833
        Re: Diablo 3

        Originally posted by Reach
        As for what you're saying Hi, yeah, I see what you mean now. You're definitely better off choosing one or the other, but not for the reason most people seem to think.

        I don't even think it is worth thinking about though until your gear is nearly optimal.
        Yeah, "diminishing returns" is kind of a misleading phrase because strictly speaking the marginal benefit of 1 point in either stat produces the same increased damage reduction no matter what value you start at.

        I'd argue something like "diminishing relative returns" is better (is there a more elegant statistics/economics term for this?), but who the fuck knows what that means anyway

        Basically to optimize damage reduction, you think of it as the product of a production function with Armor and Resistance as inputs, using item budget as their units. These effects are shifted along the axes by flat increases to the stat (I believe this functions mathematically the exact same way as the minimum consumption level in a Stone-Geary utility model, for example) and multiplicatively scaled by the item budget value of a point of each (which used to be 10-1) as well as any % modifiers you are using, like Energy Armor.
        Then you graph the resulting production isoquants (indifference curves) and minimize to find the ideal amount of armor and resistance for your item budget.
        Practically, this doesn't perfectly apply because item budget is not a completely divisible good. You are usually choosing between chunks of armor and all resistance, but this method will still tell you which of the two choices is better just from viewing the isoquants.

        Anyway, a spreadsheet does all this for you.
        Last edited by hi19hi19; 04-24-2014, 01:59 PM.


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        • choof
          Banned
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Nov 2013
          • 8563

          #1834
          Re: Diablo 3

          diminishing unimportant returns so we can make "dur" jokes

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          • MrGiggles
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2005
            • 2846

            #1835
            Re: Diablo 3

            RIP RZA

            The power went out for half a second

            Your move, atheists

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            • L.B.D.D
              FFR Player
              • Aug 2013
              • 2949

              #1836
              Re: Diablo 3

              rip .. .

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              • Reach
                FFR Simfile Author
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Jun 2003
                • 7471

                #1837
                Re: Diablo 3

                Got a royal ring of grandeur tonight.

                Awww yeah. Got a SoJ too so ...my body is ready for higher torments.

                Sadly the set pieces I need are ...not coming :P

                Other than blackthrones.

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                • hi19hi19
                  lol happy
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 12194

                  #1838
                  Re: Diablo 3

                  Originally posted by Reach
                  Got a royal ring of grandeur tonight.

                  Awww yeah. Got a SoJ too so ...my body is ready for higher torments.

                  Sadly the set pieces I need are ...not coming :P

                  Other than blackthrones.
                  wow im jelly


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                  • L.B.D.D
                    FFR Player
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 2949

                    #1839
                    Re: Diablo 3

                    grats on your royal ring!

                    took me on average like 2 hours per royal ring (2-3 min/1 cache)
                    farmed 7 (SEVEN!!) royal rings before i got a trifecta one

                    still no SoJ with %elem + %crit chance or %fire one.. :c

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                    • Reach
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 7471

                      #1840
                      Re: Diablo 3

                      7?

                      lmao.

                      There are guys that have opened over 1000 act 1 caches and haven't gotten one.

                      I consider myself pretty lucky. I haven't really opened many act 1 caches and almost never play on normal. Just got lucky. I hadn't actually gotten a legendary from caches for weeks. This was the first one in awhile.

                      It's only a difecta after reroll with decent int and a socket. Won't be farming for another one though...lol.

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                      • L.B.D.D
                        FFR Player
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 2949

                        #1841
                        Re: Diablo 3

                        Originally posted by Reach
                        7?

                        lmao.

                        There are guys that have opened over 1000 act 1 caches and haven't gotten one.

                        I consider myself pretty lucky. I haven't really opened many act 1 caches and almost never play on normal. Just got lucky. I hadn't actually gotten a legendary from caches for weeks. This was the first one in awhile.

                        It's only a difecta after reroll with decent int and a socket. Won't be farming for another one though...lol.
                        1k caches? wtf LOL

                        i've once found two in a 10 minute span..

                        it might also help that i have 105% magic find at all times? not sure.. i seem to get more legendaries than others on a regular basis (not out of whim) with 105% magic find

                        maybe magic find is bugged?

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                        • Hakulyte
                          the Haku
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 4570

                          #1842
                          Re: Diablo 3

                          I have 100% magic find and opened 1100+ caches, 0 ring but a lot of trash. RNG for you~

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                          • L.B.D.D
                            FFR Player
                            • Aug 2013
                            • 2949

                            #1843
                            Re: Diablo 3

                            gg i can't even fathom going through 1100 caches with no ring..

                            that's 5500 bounties right?

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                            • NekoGon
                              щ(゚Д゚щ)
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 2709

                              #1844
                              Re: Diablo 3

                              Does MF work on caches though... 1000+ caches is too crazy. Well at least you can open unlimited rifts now... xd

                              Also I found Cain's set, Aughild, Captain Crimson plans today, pretty slick. Pretty much replaced 5 equips today (Headgear, bracers, shoulder, gloves, and triumvirate which i got from kadala), and since bracers rolled 20% arcane damage, I decided to switch to arcane torrent build... much better than meteor for sure (takes time to fall, hard to aim). Here's my current build atm: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/G.../hero/41565176

                              Probably made a mistake with enchanting Triumvirate to %Life, should've went for AP on Crit (couldn't channel arcane torrent forever ) but it's costly (400-500k per enchant now). If I could channel forever I think i can change electrocute to 10% damage sparkflint or something...

                              Spent 50+ forgotten souls crafting and enchanting shit today, quite a productive day overall~



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                              • Hakulyte
                                the Haku
                                • Jul 2005
                                • 4570

                                #1845
                                Re: Diablo 3

                                Originally posted by L.B.D.D
                                gg i can't even fathom going through 1100 caches with no ring..

                                that's 5500 bounties right?
                                Oh, my bad. I should have said 1100 bounties.

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