Diablo 3

[omega_grunt666]

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Someone that knows how to build fire take a look at my skills and tell me what to change ;o

Also what other gear should I be looking for, other than the obvious (anything I pick up with +fire& dps :P )

Probably wouldn't roll the elemental off Andis or elite damage of hellcat, you can get some survivability by crafting Aughilds or Ashaeras if you have the recipe. Looks like you just need to find some replacement pieces over your arcane stuff, elemental on bracers etc. I would probably stick with wave of force OR meteor (4 attacks seems a little excessive?), and take familiar for more damage, TP for utility/survivabiliy, or MI/Diamond skin for survivability depending on preference.

A royal ring of grandeur would make crafting sets a little easier to fill bonus on, so if you do bounties try focusing act 1 or 3 if you get bored (3 was the all reward cache right?). If you want maximum legendaries, find a group to play with on a regular basis, even if its just one other person. And do rifts on the highest torment you can comfortably clear.


People need to be in the FFR community, JOIN CHAT WHEN YOU'RE ON, you have the manually join each time you log.

[Izzy]

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Seriously? I have to manually join every time? That is incredibly annoying.

[cetaka]

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is it though

[L.B.D.D]

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is it though

deep questions

[Reach]

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Armor has scaling returns from Paragon points whereas All Res is a flat bonus (which also contributes to increased diminishing returns).
Once you start reaching significant DR on All Res and you get paragon points into both All Res and %Armor, Armor on gear usually is better because of the scaling.
I think I'd be better off with more All Res on my gear now because I have no points into %armor but that's where they're going now that I've maxed All Res so I might as well plan ahead. Once I get 50/50 into %Armor, having armor on all my gearslots that have that choice is over 5% toughness better than All Res.

Been thinking about this and I'm not sure it makes sense

I did the math and there are no diminished returns on AR. I don't think it matters at all how much of which you have, only the relative values you're able to get off gear.

Like, if your health is 100k and you have 300 AR, you have 50% mitigation. EHP = 200k, so the bonus per AR is 333.3

If you have 900 AR, you have 400k EHP, which is also exactly 333.3 bonus per AR.

I don't think it matters and I don't think there are any diminished returns.

If anything, gear wise AR always seems to be better than +Armor on most pieces, since the relative effective bonus per AR is higher than for Armor on most +armor rolls on most items. Armor would have to roll over 450 to be more useful than your typical 90-100 AR rolls, and I don't see it rolling high on many items. An armor roll of +500 or higher though is definitely worth taking though as that can't really be beaten in terms of mitigation.

[L.B.D.D]

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okay but here's the thing

300 AR --> 900 AR is like a 20-30% mitigation

but

900 --> 1500 AR is not an additional 20-30%..

after 900, you hover at around 67~80% no matter how high you go, right?

[hi19hi19]

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Been thinking about this and I'm not sure it makes sense

I did the math and there are no diminished returns on AR. I don't think it matters at all how much of which you have, only the relative values you're able to get off gear.

Like, if your health is 100k and you have 300 AR, you have 50% mitigation. EHP = 200k, so the bonus per AR is 333.3

If you have 900 AR, you have 400k EHP, which is also exactly 333.3 bonus per AR.

I don't think it matters and I don't think there are any diminished returns.

Here's my reasoning:
You are correct in that there aren't diminishing returns on stacking DR. This is because, just using example numbers, +1% damage reduction at 50% damage reduction is twice as good as +1% damage reduction at 0% damage reduction but also twice as hard to get. This is basically what you found.

However there *are* diminishing returns on the marginal amount of DR provided by additional Armor and Resistance points. To use the above example, stacking a lot of one thing to get +1% damage reduction when you already have 50% from that stat is not as good as the +5% damage reduction you'd get if you put that item budget's worth of stats into the other stat that you have none of.

Optimizing the multiplicative nature of armor and magic resist is where the old 10/1 rule came from, but there's a lot of factors that complicate that such as Energy Armor and the % bonus from Paragon and I honestly haven't even looked at item budgets to see if all res is still worth 1/10 of armor per point in the expansion. You also have to remember that Wizards and Witch Doctors get a TON of all res just from intelligence stacking.

tl;dr use a spreadsheet and build what it says is optimal for EHP
For me, that's almost always armor.

[L.B.D.D]

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almost done switching to earthquake + %fire spec

19% fire ammy
18% fire bracer
18% fire glove
15% fire chest
20% fire weapon

the only downside: i'm squishy as FUCK

but my smash crits for 60m+ now, and my earthquake ticks for 30-40 so it's all good

[NekoGon]

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really sick man. plus if you reach 800 in a month toughness won't be much of a problem

WD pal switched to fetish build, and all of a sudden we can farm T2 rift easy now. rift boss melted in like 10 seconds-ish, crazy little buggers. Also realized how low dps lightning build is (very good crowd control, but that's all I do in T2). considering switching black hole to archon build.. haven't got a single Vyr's so far though

[L.B.D.D]

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full archon rune set sounds really slick

good luck with the vyrs - i hope they boost set equip droprates..

haven't found a single earthquake glove nor pants in 400+ paragon

[Reach]

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okay but here's the thing

300 AR --> 900 AR is like a 20-30% mitigation

but

900 --> 1500 AR is not an additional 20-30%..

after 900, you hover at around 67~80% no matter how high you go, right?

No

300 -> 900 all other variables removed is 3x the EHP.

There are no diminished returns, 900-->1500 is 1.66x EHP

It looks deceiving but trust me, do the math out and you'll see that every single point you put into AR is worth exactly the same.


As for what you're saying Hi, yeah, I see what you mean now. You're definitely better off choosing one or the other, but not for the reason most people seem to think.

I don't even think it is worth thinking about though until your gear is nearly optimal.

[Izzy]

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What does it take to get 50% damage reduction with AR? like 500? If there are no diminishing returns then 1000 AR would be 100% damage reduction.

[HalfStep]

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50% to 75% Damage reduction is effectively 50% damage reduction.

Are you guys being real right now it's not fucking rocket surgery

[Reach]

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50% to 75% Damage reduction is effectively 50% damage reduction.

Are you guys being real right now it's not fucking rocket surgery

I was trying to put it nicely >_>

Fire build is coming together nicely. LOVE this build.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Suprachiasm-1879/hero/30870634

Picked up some nice bracers and a triumvirate that...I couldn't really not use, so I opted out of mirrorball for the time being. Might switch back to it though if I can pick up one that actually rolls + 2 magic missiles instead of 1...

I'm guessing I can probably just roll CHC on my Andariels into fire damage and it will be better. Wish it was AS I'd be losing instead though.

Amulet and a few other pieces should be easy upgrades in the future. Was busting through a T3 rift earlier solo damn quickly.

[HalfStep]

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My post is mostly aimed at Izzy lol, everything you said was correct.