TWG XLVI: For the King!

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

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Done with PMs and everything that needs done. I'm sorry for taking so long.

[PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR]

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Being at a computer for <1 hour in the past 3 days = community service + brother's birthday party + no internet at a lake = psycho dies

ps - alcohol might have been involved on multiple occasions

pps - JIHAD

[pntballa18]

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merlonifan28: we need to find a theif
merlonifan28: you pass it to him
merlonifan28: he leaves
merlonifan28: it's gone.
merlonifan28: it cant hurt us then
thunderstrike687: can wolves steal?
merlonifan28: wolves get items from the person they kill
merlonifan28: so essentially, yes
thunderstrike687: as long as im not wolved, were fine.

later...

merlonifan28: if we do find a theif, dont pass it to him/her
merlonifan28: let them steal it
merlonifan28: that way we know he/she is a theif
thunderstrike687: yeah i wouldnt

StoicRoivaS: so you're passing me two items and i'm stealing from thunder?
merlonifan28: yeah
StoicRoivaS: i sent the PM to dbp a while ago, so hopefully you've done the same

me and stoic, in a pm conversation

i'm a human. I need you to do something for me. I need you to steal from him. You said that the items are safe with you, so I'm trusting you. In return, I will give you a golden dagger, and a shield.

What exactly does thunder have and why do you need me to steal it/what do you want with it/etc?

I would rather not tell you what it does. I just want to tell you, it will not hurt you. I need you to steal it because we need it out of the game. Also, before I send you this, I would like to ask how you are keeping your items from the other thief

Fair enough. I'll steal from thunder tonight and you pass me both items and we'll call it a deal. I'd prefer not to say how I plan to keep my items safe, but suffice it to say I used DBP's written game description as well as questioning him over a certain aspect of the thief role. Using his description as well as his answer to the question, I have created a make-shift way of keeping them safe, that DBP himself ok'ed. Do you need me to do anything specific with the item, or just hang on to it until I flee town? Obviously I'd prefer to keep it until I leave.

merlonifan28: did stoic steal your item?
thunderstrike687: no he didnt steal it

stoic for not coming through with his end of the bargain. The only reason I can think of is him not being a thief. The only person who would fake a thief, to me, is a wolf.

[talisman]

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for the record, I already chewed out pntballa on how stupid it was to offer stoic the golden dagger as well as the shield.

also, this whole scheme is pretty unnecessary too, based on what the poison vial does.

I'm planning on maybe making a largeish information revealing post later. we'll see. the above topic will be covered.

[talisman]

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ok the items as I currently know them. still haven't talked to everyone but whatever.

revolver: at least one, possibly three, likely two. stoic has/d one, observer might have had one.

diamond ring: one, but two could exist if this functions as a lovers item.

explosives: one set, presumably gone.

golden dagger: 90% sure there are 2, but possibly only one.

lucky charm: three known.

scrying stone: two known.

cursed shield: I only know of one, but flaw apparently knew of another.

bag of gold: one.

vial of poison: one.

people who claimed to start the game with nothing: four. Note: observer was one of these four, but may have been lying.

Now about some random **** that's been going on. The vial of poison as pnt has told you started out in the hands of thunder. It apparently forces you to kill someone from whoever voted to lynch you if you are lynched, according to thunder, who says that this was in the item description (apparently this item has a description). thunder went to pnt with this, presumably when pnt was doing his little fake spiel about knowing people's items, and pnt decided that this item should be removed from the game, so he started trying to find a thief to steal it for him and then flee town with it. You can see the results of this grand scheme in his earlier post.

Now, thunder was telling me that as long as he wasn't wolfed, everything would be fine because this item then wouldn't fall into the hands of the wolves, presumably. Although I don't think that's how it even works... only if you're being passed an item do the wolves get it if they decided to wolf you. So I don't really see why all this was necessary. It also has not escaped my mind that the item might be BS in the first place, especially since it seems very few of the items start with instructions on their use. Not to mention that it's essentially a carbon copy of the brutal wolf power.

Meanwhile, xero and some unnamed accomplice were cooking up their own little scheme. xero had a cursed shield. the accomplice had an unspecified item. the accomplice suggested giving the shield to pntballa, in the hopes that the wolves would wolf pntballa (you'll remember that xero made a post during night one in which he copypasted a convo between himself and pntballa in which he states he's going to be giving him an item) and thus end up with the shield. This would somehow be beneficial since the wolves would then be forced to interact with people to pass the shield along, or something like that (which doesn't make sense because passing can be anonymous). In return for passing the shield to pnt, the accomplice would give xero an item. Why this trade was necessary and what both parties sought to gain I have no idea. If you know anything about this, please fill me in.

Some other odds and ends.

I have no clue how this revolver thing works. I don't know how I was shot. I don't really even know how I was saved. I presume it was just the guardian, but who knows. I did not have a lucky charm. I do not know who shot stoic. I do know that a revolver changed hands last night, as someone has reported receiving one. I don't know why stoic would pass a revolver, but it could have been him I suppose.

stella was stolen from night one. That certainly points to stoic, but possibly not.

oh, and stoic was seered green by flaw, so he's not a wolf unless he had an item that affected his seering results.

[pntballa18]

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I sent my shield to stoic, and thunder claims to have one now.

If he isn't lying, that means two shields.

[x3Mamimi]

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It does.
I passed it to thunder.
Flaw knew I had it and I hadn't had the chance to talk to talisman until..well, like 20 minutes ago or something?

[X3R0H0UR]

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for public knowledge, the person who I have been intricately 'working with', referred to as my partner by tali and I've even said it, was not made privy to the thieves who contacted me. I've only told tali part of that information.

[thunderstrike687]

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For the record, DBP is stupid and I just found out my item was stolen. Im kind of annoyed, due to pnt bargaining with my item, which in my opinion, was more useful if I still had it.

[thunderstrike687]

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Now, thunder was telling me that as long as he wasn't wolfed, everything would be fine because this item then wouldn't fall into the hands of the wolves, presumably. Although I don't think that's how it even works... only if you're being passed an item do the wolves get it if they decided to wolf you. So I don't really see why all this was necessary. It also has not escaped my mind that the item might be BS in the first place, especially since it seems very few of the items start with instructions on their use. Not to mention that it's essentially a carbon copy of the brutal wolf power.

If this isnt how it works, then I was lied to by pnt.

[thunderstrike687]

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^^^ I meant with wolves obtaining items.

And talisman, if you dont want to believe me, fine, but thats the item. Ask stoic if you dont believe me. He has it now.

[talisman]

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as far as voting goes, I'd like everyone to vote for fiction. he was "scry'd" and the result was "not human".

[DarkManticoreX2]

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as far as voting goes, I'd like everyone to vote for fiction. he was "scry'd" and the result was "not human".

Heheeee. In b4 scy'ed

fiction

If you think this is bandwagon, you really need to check my post a page or 2 back.

[FictionJunction]

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Bull**** I was seered 'not human' by the stone.

I think it's rather easy for any player to just take control of the game whenever the seer dies; gg Talisman for being the one who did. In his new self-appointed position, Talisman can spew false information in hopes to have everyone bandwagon along with him. He has Manticore controlled and all of you are soon to follow.

The only things he is suing to argue I'm a wolf are too vague to even consider; in fact, some are rather senseless.

1) Wanting me and observer dead for being the first people (to his knowledge) to no have had items. While there are others who have said the same, and while observer may have been lying (gun movement, shots, and whatnot) it is entirely possible (as this game allows) for several players to begin without any items. Even if the amount of items was equivalent to the amount of players, I'm absolutely positive that some of you started with two items. Starting without items is not a reason for someone to be tagged as a wolf and I call bull**** on this argument.

Manticore also tried to pin me on this basis, except he tried to add on the fact I didn't log the conversation where I told Flaw that I didn't have any items at the beginning of the game. Not logging isn't reason enough to tag someone as a wolf; it's rather silly if you think about it. I'm not going to be bold enough to pin Manticore as a wolf because I'm pretty sure he isn't; though I will say he is searching for an easy excuse to pin anyone for a wolf.

2) Going, as Manticore dubbed it, 'buddy-buddy,' on both manticore and talisman and not being my 'analytical self.' I don't think it worth mentioning that this is how I regularly play and I haven't changed my strategies in any way (other than not logging at all, but I stopped doing that a few games ago and it felt nice so I just stopped completely [p.s if I had some add-on for AIM that auto-logs then it'd be fine, but since I rarely use AIM for anything other than FFR and TWG it's just not in my priority list or something]). Myabe I shouldn't have approached Talisman in such a friendly manner, but that's how I was conversing with flaw before his death, plus you can always expect to be some sort of communication between me and flaw since we always talk at the beginning of every TWG we play together. It's somewhat customary now. Either way, your impressions =/= my motive. Clearly, as both of them were already biased as to me being a wolf for not having items and not having me telling flaw said information logged I am further tagged as a wolf for some friendly impression they thought they perceived. You can easily tell the difference between my human game and my blue role game seeing how I'm a tad more cautious in my conversations whenever I'm a blue role. This, however, is my regular green game. Apparently speaking normally and not being apathetic to the game merits being tagged as a wolf.

Anyway, like I said before, I'm not bold enough to tag Manticore as a wolf. But I will vote for talisman for not having enough information to tag anyone as a supposed wolf and just going for 'the next best thing.' Anyone can be a leader; gg on taking that opportunity so quickly.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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You have several wrong peices of info in there Fiction, But the one that glares at me is when you say Talisman and myself are tagging you as a wolf for not having items.

This is not the case with my vote however. Flaw's post specifically said THREE people had come to him and said they didn't have items. I was able to aquire two of those logs. I was also informed, by Talisman, that Observer had also gone to Flaw and said he didn't have an item. Talisman is a confirmed human. What he says means a lot more than anything you have to say.

That is three people right there that claimed to talk to flaw and told him "I have no item". Then I talked to you because you were claiming to not have an item as well. You also said "I told Flaw I had no item", but were unable to produce a log.

So now there were 4 people claiming to have told Flaw they had "No item" when he said there were only three.

That means someone was lying, and that someone was either you or our dear dead Observer. There is a conflict here, and either you are the lying party, or Observer was.

I'd feel pretty safe trading off one human for one wolf just to be sure we did get a wolf.