TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

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  • iggymatrixcounter
    FFR Veteran
    • Nov 2003
    • 1924

    #106
    Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

    I'd also like to note that even though all these people are saying "disco is the best for today blah blah" Only 1 person (other than fojar of course) has actually voted him, so just take that into consideration on exactly how sure everyone is about disco being a wolf.
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    • sertman
      DADALADAH
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Jun 2005
      • 3910

      #107
      Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

      Mead's post seemed kinda wolfish to me... can't tell you exactly why, but it just sounded like something a wolf would post.

      The only reason why i'm not voting for DBP is that with the exception of my seering night 1 a couple games back, pretty much every day 1 lynch has been of a human that just made a stupid mistake or made a stupid post. Even though I think that dbp is definitely suspicious, I think we should look at other people first and then decide if DBP's actions really warrant a lynch.

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      • JurseyRider734
        lil j the bad b-word
        • Aug 2003
        • 7506

        #108
        Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

        Originally posted by sertman
        Mead's post seemed kinda wolfish to me... can't tell you exactly why, but it just sounded like something a wolf would post.

        Same, haha. Especially with the "Jurs said it best." part. Sounds like he's trying to get on my good side.
        Originally posted by Arch0wl
        I'd better be considering I own roughly six textbooks on logic and have taken courses involving its extensive use

        Originally posted by Afrobean
        Originally Posted by JurseyRider734
        the fact that you're resorting to threatening physical violence says a lot anyway.
        Just that you're a piece of shit who can't see reason and instead deserves a fucking beating.

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        • mead1
          Cerebellumberjack
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Aug 2003
          • 3960

          #109
          Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

          That's because it's V-day, I'm lonely, and I want you to love me Jurs.

          <3<3

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          • talisman
            Resident Penguin
            FFR Simfile Author
            • May 2003
            • 4598

            #110
            Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

            And why would disco lie as a wolf?
            presumably because he panicked, thought fojar actually had seen him, and needed a way to show he was human, hence saying he had the deception.

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            • nijatwo
              FFR Player
              • May 2006
              • 312

              #111
              Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

              DBP's normal wolf strat doesn't involve lying, he plays a damn good human as a red (in the past). Seems like all the reason he'd need to change his plan now so he's no predictable in the future and he has the benefit of the doubt currently.
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              • rioting
                FFR Player
                • Dec 2006
                • 113

                #112
                Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

                Woot. Finally I've got some time to get posting (4 job interviews later..)

                I've been keeping up with the thread and trying to talk to some people on the side. I talked briefly with DBP and he did not come across as all that wolfy to me. Though, from what I've heard (and nija just posted to this affect), DBP is rather good at appearing human even when he has a red role. One of the things, though, that stood out to me from the thread was how defensive DBP was at first. Despite it, I'm still prepared to entertain the possbility that FoJaR is lying while keeping in mind though that right now his side of the story seems to have slightly fewer holes in it than DBP's.

                I often agree with a number of Iggy's points and especially his recent one about not lynching DBP because he is so active. If DBP actually is a wolf it's likely there will be more mounting against him as we learn more from night actions and the thread. In such case, we can better justify lynching him. Right now it is best to remove a player from the pool of the least active rather than the most. Because if DBP really is a human who made mistakes while trying to pull off a lie, it would be unfortunate to have removed him from the game so early.
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                • FishFishRevolution
                  GotR Creator
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 7251

                  #113
                  Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

                  Okay you decepticon sons of bitches, show yourselves or there's gonna be some hurtin'.

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                  • mead1
                    Cerebellumberjack
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 3960

                    #114
                    Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

                    Alrighty, time for me to put some effort into this game.

                    DBP is far from being cleared in my mind, but Iggy has made some rather good points. I didn't fully understand the course of events, and he clarified them for me. I've now with Iggy on this one. If we're going to lynch someone active and helpful as a human, we should have better reasoning. Fojar's plan was pretty brilliant, but it was anything but foolproof.

                    So, I propose offing Nija

                    Originally posted by nijatwo
                    Just a thought, how do we know fojar isn't the one lying? I might be missing it somewhere, I'm trying to catch up. I've been without internet for a while because of the damned ice.
                    This was his first non-game-mechanic post he made. This on it's own really doesn't seem outwardly suspicious, but it is the perfect post of someone who doesn't want to be noticed. I think it's a bit suspicious he would question Fojar. I mean, I haven't seen how Foj plays as a wolf, but I doubt there are many wolves in the history of the game who are ballsy enough to stick their neck out on the line and put themselves in the spotlight like he did. I can't see how the first thing that comes to mind out of that whole situation for him is "lol what about fojar"

                    Originally posted by nijatwo
                    DBP's normal wolf strat doesn't involve lying, he plays a damn good human as a red (in the past). Seems like all the reason he'd need to change his plan now so he's no predictable in the future and he has the benefit of the doubt currently.
                    This post was the one that really turned me on to the idea of nija being a wolf. It's the perfect "ride the wave" post. He doesn't declare himself one way or the other, and he really doesn't say anything at all. I mean, theorizing about someone's possible changing of attitude so they don't become predictable is such an abstract and ridiculous basis for a suspicious, I don't see why he'd even post about it.

                    So, this vote doesn't have all that much behind it, I understand that. This being said, I think we are better off lynching nija than DBP, since nija is far less active, and I really don't see him being useful, based off his day 1 activity. Add this to the suspicions I detail in this post, and you have my day 1 vote.

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                    • iggymatrixcounter
                      FFR Veteran
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 1924

                      #115
                      Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

                      Originally posted by FishFishRevolution
                      Okay you decepticon sons of bitches, show yourselves or there's gonna be some hurtin'.
                      Uh why do you want decepticons coming out? We already established that they gain nothing from doing so.

                      I think I'm going to vote observer . For low low activity and poor future usefuless. I have no idea if he's a wolf or not, but he is a burden.

                      Day ends tonight and if I can get back I will see how many phantoms there will be and hopefully minimize this as much as possible by either badgering people to vote or badgering people to insta, one or the other.

                      So make sure you vote today XD.
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                      • sertman
                        DADALADAH
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 3910

                        #116
                        Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

                        Sticking with my Wilkin vote because he's been pretty inactive.

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                        • FishFishRevolution
                          GotR Creator
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 7251

                          #117
                          Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

                          Originally posted by iggymatrixcounter
                          Uh why do you want decepticons coming out? We already established that they gain nothing from doing so.
                          Saying it gains nothing is a completely untrue statement. It helps anyone who has a perception know either who they want to use it on and if their results will be able to be trusted. A wolf plot to fake decepticon/hide as a human would be hard to pull off and the odds of that happening are slim. I say they should come out, or at least get in contact with perception-holders somehow.

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                          • StoicRoivaS
                            FFR Player
                            • May 2006
                            • 548

                            #118
                            Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

                            Phantomfest 2k7:

                            DBP(2) – Fish, FoJar
                            Wilkin (1) – Sert
                            Nija (2) – Roundbox, Mead
                            Observer (1) - Iggy

                            Left to vote: DBP, Rioting, Kilga, Jurs, Observer, Wilkin, Talisman, Stella, Nija

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                            the day, my genius and brawn are
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                            • FishFishRevolution
                              GotR Creator
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 7251

                              #119
                              Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

                              I'd like to change my vote to talisman for his near lack of presence this game. Usually talis is a little more helpful than throwing out a line or two on Day 1. The most he's posted is that conversation between him and dbp.

                              As far as dbp goes, his explanation is plausible, but it doesn't mean he's out of jail free. I'll hold off on him because you guys are right, he is helpful to the humans whether he's a wolf or not.

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                              • Kilgamayan
                                Super Scooter Happy
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 6583

                                #120
                                Re: TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

                                DBP

                                One of him and FoJaR has to be and I lean more toward him.

                                Why would a human go to Stoic after being told he had been seered red? He would automatically assume that either FoJaR was lying or the artifacts got distributed and he landed one of the deceptions (since we knew the names of the artifacts beforehand and one could offer a good guess what the deception one did even without holding it).
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