TWG XLII: Raiders of the Temple of the Last Crusade

[xObserveRx]

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Roundbox, straight up.

[JurseyRider734]

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roundbox, I suppose then.

[FishFishRevolution]

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Okay, everyone, let's hoooold on a second. No one else vote while I type up a very long post.

[FishFishRevolution]

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If iggy's right, roundbox is red, and we have one more wolf left. But there's a problem. Iggy, the all-trusted alliance leader, has NOT been seered. Before we trust any more of his outrageous claims, that has to be remedyed. I have been in contact with iggy and another person throughout this entire game, working strategy and bringing home the victory. This anonymous person seered Iggy last night and he came back red.

So Iggy, unless you had the deception last night, you'd better come up with an amazing way to prove why I should trust you any more.

THIS DOESN'T MEAN I TRUST THE ANONYMOUS SEER. He has not been seered either, but he has less to gain from this. If he is a wolf, iggy and I will talk this out, find out who has what artifacts, and he will be lynched.

So in short, DON'T KILL ROUNDBOX, not yet at least.


So sue me, it wasn't that long, it was just important.

[FishFishRevolution]

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Okay, false alarm guys, my anonymous friend is a son of a bitch and a liar.

roundbox today, sonofabitch tomorrow.

[FishFishRevolution]

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talisman placeholder while i check something important.

[iggymatrixcounter]

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rofl, why do conspiracies always shroud me despite the overwelming evidence.

I know it's a small thing but let me just consider the parameters if I actually was a wolf.

- I killed three wolves.... I almost perfectly planned every seer pick. In most cases, the person who was seered was also stolen from by the same person. In the case of mead (who will be killed tomorrow for finally getting the balls to lie about something) he was seered green, but the same person stole from him and found a deception. I didn't arrange it that way for my own health, it was to prove to that person that their pick was 100% legit and was no longer influenced by me. (There were a few theories of me arranging for humans to have deceptions while someone else seered them.

But you should know that mead has all the protection artifacts in his hands right now so if we kill roundbox first, the wolves get a free kill. Ultimately it doesn't matter, but I would like for a few key people who helped with this game to actually survive and win rather than get cheap shotted (like what has happened to me a few times).

I wasn't going to go with mead until I got the result from another thief back, but mead was doing that and since he decided to lie, I feel that there's no need to know that this other thief is legit.

mead dies today, roundbox tomorrow = gameover.

After mead's lynch send me a pm, or contact me if you ended up with a protection artifact.

Other than that I have no further info to talk about. Fish acted because he trusted mead based on subjective evidence. I trust fish (and the person who went to fish <3) and so fish is in the clear guys, he's not a wolf trying to get me killed.

[FishFishRevolution]

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You know what I think, iggy? I haven't heard of anyone report their seerings besides you. I think you've set up a huge conspiracy because mead did seer you red. If mead was a wolf, why would he have reported dbp as wolf, when he could've saved him and said he was human? There's no proof besides your word that rioting was a wolf. I think there are still 3 wolves alive and one of them is you.

When someone is blue and they have a deception, they come back green. That's why when roundbox seered me with the deception I came back green. He wasn't lying; mead's seering green with the deception is because he's a theif, not because he's a wolf.

[iggymatrixcounter]

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Oh wow I went from explaining why I wasn't a wolf and just kind of forgot what I was doing. But the evidence is still there.

If I was a wolf, I would have run things so that trust in me was required, but in many cases (mostly with thieves that had perception artifacts) I gave them orders so my influence so no longer a factor. That's how we got disco, mead, and rioting I think. Only roundbox wasn't done this way because the person who seered him wasn't a thief. But ANY person who went the person they seered could have asked them if they ever had an artifact this game. (a wolf wouldn't lie because of the monopoly I had on info) And that person would have learned that the person that they seered didn't have a deception, and therefore made thier red result 100% legit.

Why do you guys think stella got killed last night? She pwned the last two wolves without needing an artifact. It was totally her ideas that she shared with me and I lol'd on the inside. Too bad, connections to iggy = death.

Pour some out to my fallen brothers/sister...."fojar" "kilga" "stella"... crap I've got nothing left for myself XD.

[FishFishRevolution]

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I can't decide who's lying, so I'm just going to quit the game.

[iggymatrixcounter]

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You know what I think, iggy? I haven't heard of anyone report their seerings besides you.

This is because if they reported it they would be dead. It's not like you had a list of EVERYTHING I HAD, and could do the research yourself.

I think you've set up a huge conspiracy because mead did seer you red. If mead was a wolf, why would he have reported dbp as wolf, when he could've saved him and said he was human? There's no proof besides your word that rioting was a wolf. I think there are still 3 wolves alive and one of them is you.

disco came out as a wolf before mead came to me. mead probably would have said disco was human if disco didn't call himself out. Mead gave me a red report on disco btw. So if your theory on thieves coming back as green when they have deceptions, then mead also lied about that too.

stella seered me, now that she's dead, mead has a chance to actually prove that no one has seered me. When in fact someone has, they're just dead.

When someone is blue and they have a deception, they come back green. That's why when roundbox seered me with the deception I came back green. He wasn't lying; mead's seering green with the deception is because he's a theif, not because he's a wolf.

Then based on this assumption (not sure where you heard it from) then mead's alignment is still up in the air, not human. It's inconclusive at best.

fish, I realize you have tender trust for mead, but you've got to understand, what proof do you have of his humanity?

If you vote me, you have to justify that, as a wolf, why would I let you know anything that I was doing behind the scenes, when I knew it would only hurt me if I was a wolf?

[FishFishRevolution]

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right, but the thing is, mead's a wolf, so none of that really matters

[mead1]

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disco came out as a wolf before mead came to me. mead probably would have said disco was human if disco didn't call himself out. Mead gave me a red report on disco btw. So if your theory on thieves coming back as green when they have deceptions, then mead also lied about that too.

stella seered me, now that she's dead, mead has a chance to actually prove that no one has seered me. When in fact someone has, they're just dead.



Then based on this assumption (not sure where you heard it from) then mead's alignment is still up in the air, not human. It's inconclusive at best.

fish, I realize you have tender trust for mead, but you've got to understand, what proof do you have of his humanity?

If you vote me, you have to justify that, as a wolf, why would I let you know anything that I was doing behind the scenes, when I knew it would only hurt me if I was a wolf?

I haven't lied about jack shit. DB came back Red, and so did you. I find it ridiculous how you can run around yelling "omg i wuz seered but she's dead now so there's no proof whatsoever" and expect people to believe that. The truth is, we've all let ourselves be led around blindly by an unseered red this whole game. It's time for you all to pull your heads out of your collective asses and try to salvage this. Fish has more proof of my humanity than he does of yours. I seered a red, who was then lynched and confirmed as red. What do we have to prove your humanity Iggy?

Don't flip on me now Fish. We've talked all game about how it was totally possible for Iggy to be playing this as a wolf, and how he'd never been seered. He's a wolf. We know this now. If we lynch him today, we may still have a shot at this game.

[sertman]

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I've thought mead was a wolf all game. However, it HAS been in the back of my mind the entire time that Iggy may be a wolf.

I still believe that mead is a wolf... again it all goes back to the trying to look human part of it. "WE can get them! WE'VE still got time!" It would also make perfect sense that DBP realized he had "roflcheated" during the night and told his wolf teammates, one of which had the perception artifact, so he "seered" DBP and went to iggy.

To be honest I'm not sure who to trust. I told Iggy i was suspicious of roundbox as well a couple of days ago, but I held off on voting him when i saw iggy's post last night just in case something like this happened.

[iggymatrixcounter]

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I haven't lied about jack shit.

Until you decided to say you seered me red.

DB came back Red, and so did you.

Really? Because disco had a deception the night he got seered, how do explain that result? Remember disco came out AS A WOLF. Was his report really red or did you use it on someone else and just assumed it would be?
and before you bring out the "how did you know he actually had it" defense, observer found a deception artifact right after disco was lynched.

I find it ridiculous how you can run around yelling "omg i wuz seered but she's dead now so there's no proof whatsoever" and expect people to believe that. The truth is, we've all let ourselves be led around blindly by an unseered red this whole game. It's time for you all to pull your heads out of your collective asses and try to salvage this.

Great line of logic, except you have to prove everything to cast doubt, that is all subjective evidence/ lies to serve your own purpose. None of which can be proven right or wrong. Your other points are being mashed to pieces atm, so this line of thought will have the same weight as a grain of salt.

1)Fish has more proof of my humanity than he does of yours. I seered a red, who was then lynched and confirmed as red. 2)What do we have to prove your humanity Iggy?

1) Oh really, mind telling me when he seered you? Because as far as trust goes I seered fish and gave him everything I knew. I wanted you seered before disco was, but fish said you had level 2 clearance. Don't know exactly what that was but since you brought it up, I would be glad to hear about what makes you more human than me.

2) -I was seered, and people know it, you, however, do not know that.
-I have ousted 4 wolves and therefore there are no more to give to me.
-I know EVERYONE'S role and gave it to a human for insurance purposes.
-I was ultimately responsible for EVERY single red seer report that has come back. (taking into the fact that your result is a lie and therefore useless.)

Don't flip on me now Fish. We've talked all game about how it was totally possible for Iggy to be playing this as a wolf, and how he'd never been seered. He's a wolf. We know this now. If we lynch him today, we may still have a shot at this game.

Why do wolves try to lie? They always get caught when they do. *sigh*