TWG XXX - Objection!

[Afrobean]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

Haha.

At least I'll be lynched on BS evidence instead of no evidence at all this game.

[talisman]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

interesting that the pm is from PROSECUTOR and not FROMTHEPROSECUTOR.

[nickadeemus]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

err.. yeah Talis I thought that was interesting too.
Either either they are both fake and just some crazy wolf ploy, the prosecutor made them both and used them separately for some reason (which only creates confusion and distrust), or only one of the two is the real. There are also less likely possibilities of a human doing this for some odd reason (found something out about afro and figured this would be the easiest way to get a load of suspicion on him), but if this is the case it doesn't do the rest of us much good without the same information.

[talisman]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

hans

talk you mofo. I got two words out of you on aim yesterday about posting about chardish and they were both "indeed". Also I think there's a pretty good chance you're behind FROMTHEPROSECUTOR if not fromthewolves as well. Either you or tps.

blah loves to hate me. there's only been one game we've had together where he wasn't suspicious of me, and that's when we were wolf partners.

ld... witness? easily could be. depends on who the prosecutor is (duh).

afro... one of my suspicions from yesterday (not sure if I posted that?). I know I mentioned to someone on aim that my rough call of the wolves was afro chardish tps yesterday. I can see afro endorsing this crazy nonsense pm business, as well as going after tass and matt. So if this pm from PROSECUTOR turns out to be true I wouldn't be surprised. but that's kind of a big if. oh one other thing on afro it seemed a bit like he was defending fromthewolves' position in that chat a bit. not sure how to read that, or even whether to read that as it might just have been my interpretation.

that's all I got.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

it doesn't do the rest of us much good

If this PM is indeed from the real prosecutor, it doesn't do anyone any good except for him.

If Afro's not the guardian, iggy'll tell us and we'll lynch a wolf, prolonging their victory and thus giving the prosecutor more time.

If Afro's the guardian, the wolves'll know and will likely wolf him tomorrow, keeping a wolfing away from a potential witness target and likely the next day, too, when they go after iggy.

If it's fake, well, the wolves might go for Afro just in case, and he might have the guardian on him, which still only helps the prosecutor.

[rock] [us] [hard place]

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Afrobean]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

I'll tell you right now. I'm not the guardian.

[nickadeemus]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

But you won't tell us that you're not a wolf?

[talisman]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

man. mystery pm accounts. never fail to make things interesting.

still afro not being the guardian doesn't say anything of course. could just be the prosecutor's or wolves' way of getting rid of a guy.

the problem I'm having is thinking of a motive for the real prosecutor doing this, besides just making us all lynch someone and confuse us and whatnot. Unless one of his witnesses was in danger somehow? Because if this were true he could just be helping out the wolves immensely as well, and I don't know why he'd risk that.

[nickadeemus]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

blah gave a good reason for motivation, so I'll quote him:
[15:28] blahblah: it also coudl be by the prosecutor
[15:28] blahblah: as a total lie
[15:28] blahblah: to make us think he doesn't have 2 people yet

[talisman]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

well of course he could be lying... I'm saying I can't find any motivation for him to do this if it were true.

[Afrobean]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

But you won't tell us that you're not a wolf?

Would saying I'm not make you believe it any more? Why even ask something like that haha

Regardless of role, everyone will reply no to "Are you a wolf?" I shouldn't even have to say "no."

[talisman]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

oh btw it appears I screwed up aim again by coming in from away while not logged on (when my laptop hibernates aim shuts off and sometimes I forget to log back before I come back from away). this means I lost all those convos and if you've tried to contact me in the past hour you haven't heard back from me. will reboot.

[Wilkin]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

What if the PM was sent by Afro himself?

1) The wolves would try to wolf him (thinking he's the guardian), fail, and an extra day would occur, along with another possible PM from the "wolves" stating this. We wouldn't know how to interpret it as a trap or truth, and it'd be a very interesting situation.

2) He's using reverse psychology to put suspicion on himself as a wolf, in an attempt to either gain the humans' trust by being a blue (while denying it), or avoid a lynching by questioning the integrity of the PM ("At least I'll be lynched on BS evidence instead of no evidence at all this game").

3) He's the Prosecutor himself leading Iggy into a trap. If he seers Afro and dies, then we'll be down the seer but still be able to lynch Afro.

He'd be risking a whole lot pulling this stunt as the Prosecutor, but it could be a desperation move if at least one of his witnesses were lynched or wolfed. Seeing as how his chances to win would be dramatically decreased, the third situation would screw over the humans as his last stand.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

well of course he could be lying... I'm saying I can't find any motivation for him to do this if it were true.

Uh, as I stated earlier, it protects his witnesses from a lynch or a wolf and has a 75% chance of extending the time needed for the wolves to win.

Now Wilkin, why would the wolves necessarily fail in their wolfing attempt on Afro in 1)? The only way for this is if he's the prosecutor, which you address in 3), so I figured there was another reason...

blah's scenario is the most likely (after it being genuine, IMO). I can't see the seer wanting iggy dead that badly, as he's a key part in eliminating wolves, which is what the Prosecution really needs. Unless, perhaps, the prosecutor is someone who has a high probability of being seered and doesn't want iggy to let that out in the event of his death, but if Afro's the prosecutor, then I wouldn't expect this possibility too much...

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Kilgamayan]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

I discussed this with Kefit for a while before he went to work.

I don't get matt's death at all. If I were a wolf I would wait for Day 3 to start witness hunting. Assuming the witness call worked on Nights 1 and 2, the prosecutor has to sit Night 3 out. Kill a witness then, and you cost the prosecution team two days instead of one. At that point, the earliest wolf win is still end of Day 4, while the earliest prosecution win is Night 6. This creates a day's worth of insurance for the possibility that one of the wolves gets lynched. Additionally, this allows to extra time to possibly find the prosecutor via wolfings if the wolves so desire.

Thus, if I were a wolf, I would've taken Night 2 to off a powerful player (since the guardian is presumed to be humping iggy) and worry about witnesses later. My first thought for this would've been Kefit because of all the posts he made Day 1. He himself admitted to being surprised he wasn't dead so maybe he thought the same way.