TWG XXX - Objection!

[FishFishRevolution]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

blah seems to me to be acting a lot like he did last game. I've read over some of his posts specifically and can come up with nothing other than just a general feeling of similarity in the mood. Maybe that's blah all the time, but in his vote on talisman last game on Day 1, he borrowed Tass's logic, and today he's voting chardish with Kefit's logic. Also last night in the chat, for those of you who weren't there, blah seemed very short on patience when he was explaining things or having things explained to him. Those of you who have played with blah more than I can say whether that's characteristic of him or not.

Looking at more previous games, blah seems to be very outwardly confident about his humanity reguardless of role, which doesn't exclude this game. I think I'm going to vote blah for now, and see if things change this eveningas we get closer to deadline.

[Tps222]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

I didn't make it exclusively on the fact that I wanted to kill a witness. LD would be very dangerous as a wolf as well, mainly because of his ability to fall under the radar. At that time in the game, I really didn't have a grasp on the winning conditions of each team, and how many days it would take for each. So, my main intention was to pick the best candidate that fit both categories(witness or wolf) IMO. I suppose going after the prosecutor would be the best idea, but I like the approach I'm taking, so eat it kilga :P

[Tps222]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

^Directed at Kilga.

[Afrobean]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

All I have to vote on is a gut feeling I got from Talisman in the chat the other day during this PM business. I got the feeling that he was the prosecutor based on how he responded to everything and the fact that the prosecutor responded exactly as he had, by saying that the trade wasn't a fair one.

PS Fish, it's "regardless."

PPS Tps, we would have known it's directed at kilga because of the "eat it kilga :P"

[talisman]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

kilga because the guy never dies and I DO agree with going for witnesses but only because it's easier to narrow potential witnesses down than potential wolves. At least for me on day one that's the case.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

How is it easier to nail down potential witnesses than potential wolves on Day 1? No one's attitude will have inexplicably changed from previous days because there are no previous days. As such, a witness is going to behave as any normal human would, because in terms of having information for all intents and purposes they are. The wolves, on the other hand, have a good amount of information to begin with and as such are far more likely to act with confident purpose.

Maybe on Day 2 a witness will be easier to discern, but certainly not on Day 1 when there exists no previous information to compare new events to.

[Afrobean]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

Talisman's meaning was that a witness can be guessed at by trying to get into the head of the prosecutor. The only way someone could guess wolves this way is if the wolves are handpicked.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

How is getting into the head of the prosecutor going to help our Day 1 chances of getting a witness? It's not like the prosecutor can change his Night 1 pick at this point, so he's stuck with whatever choice he's made, psychological influence or no.

Again, this might help control who he chooses for Day 2, but not who he chose for Day 1.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

While I'm thinking about it, softball appears to have been canceled this evening due to lacrosse practice, so don't bother trying to call me out on being here when I said I wouldn't.

[Afrobean]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

Kilga, I think you're misunderstanding.

The prosecutor has chosen a witness from last night already. If we want to lynch a witness, all we have to do is guess who he would have chosen as a witness. One cannot do something like that to figure out the prosecutor or wolves because their roles were handed out randomly by the host. Witnesses are chosen using reason and logic and this reason and logic can be used to work backwards and kill them.

Didn't we come to the agreement though that we would ignore witnesses all together and go after only wolves and the prosecutor?

[Kefit]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

Guys.

My walls of text already went over this.

We CANNOT be wasting time trying to lynch witnesses. If, at the end of day four, neither the prosecutor or a wolf has been lynched, then the game is over. PERIOD. We have only four chances to get this right. Let's not give any of those chances away.

I don't care if we know exactly who a witness is - if that is the case, then we can let the wolves take care of him during the night. We simply cannot waste our time with the witnesses.

In short: DO NOT vote for someone you think is a witness.

I think my recent posts have made the reasoning for this abunduntly clear, and I will be very dissappointed if people continue to vote on the suspicion of witness.

[Kefit]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

Just to clarify, the last paragraph is directed towards Talisman, although I might be misinterpruting his post.

[talisman]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

afro has it basically right. It's either analyze who the prosecutor would have picked or analyze that pm (if it actually is from the wolves). And I think I've got a better shot with the prosecutor.

[talisman]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

oh so kefit ninja'd in there.

well I'd rather off a wolf myself... I agree with the theory. The problem is that I blow day one at finding wolves. And this day is no exception.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

You make it sound so easy. The best choice for a witness pick would be someone who tends to survive for a long time, right? So then the prosecutor should pick someone who doesn't survive, since witness-voting is going to be hunting for people who do. But wait, what if the voters think the same way? Then it would be best to choose someone who does survive for a while, and we're back to square one.

Trying to guess what level the prosecutor thought on when he made his selection is no easier than trying to guess who might've been randomly selected to be the wolves/prosecutor. In fact, it might be harder, because we can at least glean information from posts based on content and quality, and people with stuff to hide are going to be more likely to let stuff slip. Plus there's the roughly 1/3 possibility that no witness even exists at this point.

If someone seriously thinks it's a better idea to hunt for something that (a) may be on your side later in the game and (b) may not even exist at this point over something that definitely does exist and will never be on your side (unless you happen to get chosen as a witness), then that's their perrogative, but I must disagree with them.