TWG XXX - Objection!

[talisman]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

"Hey wolves, kill the witnesses for us pretty please, ok?"

My thinking was that we always **** up on day one, this is a historical fact... why not instead go for a likely witness, someone who tends to live for a long time, etc. I'm not saying everyone do it... it was just a thing I was planning on doing myself.

[User6773]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

Hi, everyone.

I've been away for a long time, so I don't really want to make any judgments based on what everyone's saying. Being gone for about 7 or 8 games is a pretty long break, and I'm sure people have changed in ways I couldn't anticipate. And besides, there are a bunch of new faces here. Wilkin, for one. And I don't think I've played with Iggy, either.

But I will talk strategy. We need to be going after wolves and the prosecutor, not the witnesses. We could probably figure out who's likely to be a witness, yes - but killing a witness brings the wolves closer to a victory. Yeah, it might delay the prosecution team from winning, but it doesn't bring the human team any closer to victory. Killing the prosecutor, on the other hand, changes all the witnesses back into regular greens. This helps us immensely.

Hmm. Let me toss out an idea - why don't the witnesses come out? The wolves don't want to kill the witnesses because more humans dead makes it easier for the wolves to win. At the same time, the witnesses might stand a better chance aligning with the humans to take out the wolves. (This does, of course, involve the death of the prosecutor.) If there's a flaw in this plan, tell me - I just thought of it a minute ago.

[mattc16]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

Yeah, I see your point on that talisman, which is why i thought TPS' vote on LD was a good idea.

We have to lynch both the prosecutor and all the wolves to win right? Just checking cause I can't remember reading that in the thread.

[talisman]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

The flaw chardish is that the witnesses don't know who the prosecutor is. Unless the prosecutor is dumb and tells them.

So they really have nothing to offer to the humans.

[nickadeemus]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

The wolves don't want to kill the witnesses because more humans dead makes it easier for the wolves to win.

Also, this makes no sense. Why wouldn't the wolves want to make it easier to win?

The witnesses coming out would be stupid for the prosecuting team, because they could never win until they turned back into normal humans. Whenever the humans/wolves think the prosecutors are getting close to a win, it would be necessary to off one of them. So the only time it would be beneficial for them to come out would be if the prosecutor is dead, but it's likely they won't know if that has happened. If that's the case, then it would just be a normal human claiming to be an ex-witness with no one to confirm it.

[talisman]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

I forget what the ruling was on that, but I think they do know that they've reverted back to humans when the prosecutor dies.

[talisman]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

yeah

Does the members of the prosecutor team knows that they are reverted back to human when the prosecutor dies? Yep.

[nickadeemus]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

Ok, well there still wouldn't be anyone to confirm it unless every witness knew who the other was.

[User6773]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

Also, this makes no sense. Why wouldn't the wolves want to make it easier to win?

They'd be making it easier for the humans to win by killing witnesses instead of humans.

The wolves win if (wolves > humans), not (wolves > humans + witnesses.) Therefore the wolves will want to try to kill humans instead of witnesses.

[FishFishRevolution]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

I doubt the witnesses would try to help the human team after they've been recruited on the prosecuting team simply because it's the most favorable team to be on.

[FishFishRevolution]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

I'll post something of some merit when I get back home tonight, at my girlfriend's house at the moment, haha.

[blahblah18]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

the seer should come out and say who he is

[talisman]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

K so here's the plan. Humans are SoL, etc, the odds must be balanced.

SO

1. Seer comes out.
2. Guardian goes to seer, humps him.
3. Seer begins the formation of an alliance.
4. WATCH OUT THERE'S A MASTER.
5. Seer posts a really obscure and hard code which has a logical solution.
6. Seer gives the key to a trustworthy non-guardian member of his alliance.
7. Seer tells trustworthy members of his alliance who he's seering each night.
8. Should seer seer the prosecutor and die, the aforementioned trusty member comes out with the key, decodes the code, thus proving that he is in fact the trustworthy member.
9. Trustworthy member says "Seer seered X last night. Therefore X is the prosecutor. Let's hang his ass."
10. Lynching occurs.
11. And lo, the people were happy.

PS if anyone can think of a better way to ensure that the trusty member is the trusty member, be my guest. Apparently twc outlawed mystery accounts, which is a real pity, because that would simplify things greatly.

[iggymatrixcounter]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

I was talking a little with tass the past couple days, and he REALLY wanted to be the prosecutor and/or on the team because he had a lot of good ideas for them. I'm sure he had similar convos with other people and just got caught telling someone the wrong thing.

Since the guardian wouldn't have guarded against the prosecutor's pick and tass usually hangs around for at least 4 days, he seemed to be the obvious choice for prosecutor and I think the wolves may have seen that also.

What I don't see is why someone like LD or kilga didn't die. This wolf kill was obviously supposed to stop the prosecutor's obvious pick. The fact that it wasn't them is kind of scary too because they usually live longer.

Let's let the wolves worry about killing the witnesses. (TPS) They need to focus on them just as much (if not more) than humans need to. I think it's safe to assume that since prosecutor team will win before wolves that the wolves will deal with killing witnesses and we can focus on killing wolves. Make sense?

[iggymatrixcounter]

Re: TWG 30 - Objection!

oh and BTW I'm seer.