TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

[Tasselfoot]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

To iggy:

nforcer is male... nforcer is usually inactive...

aperson is not a n00b... he's actually quite intelligent, but hasn't played in a recent TWG because he was banned due to his excessive swearing.

and, I hope we can all agree that intentionally NOT sending in a kill is just plain stupid. my reasoning above seems the most reasonable of explanations.

[mead1]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

I'm with Tass. The seer coming out right now sounds like a good move. We know for certain that he and the gaurd are still alive, so I can't see any risk there. Do it double quick.

As for suspicions, I'm a bit suspicious of psycho for a few things he said in chat. He came in and said he was reading the thread. After he was done, I asked him what he thought, to which he answer was something like "its a lot to take in at once." When pressed further, he said he thought Tass' night post was suspicious. He said it sounded like Tass was trying to start an alliance with it or something. My theory being he read the thread and saw that we were looking at one of the really new guys to be a wolf, so he had no idea on how to respond. The manner in which he presented his suspicions just seemed really odd to me. I don't have the chat log, but if someone wants it I'm sure Fish or Jurs does.

[FishFishRevolution]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

Yeah i have it hold on. (PS I am also in agreement with mead that the seer should come out, but not to Tass, to everyone as has been said, this way we're using Tass's plan but he has no advantage over anyone else if he is in fact a wolf).

1:39:13 PM psychozerosk8er: hey
1:39:19 PM stressreliefball: sup
1:39:19 PM fhqwhgads703: Sup
1:39:19 PM insanelikeafish: sup
1:39:23 PM stressreliefball: jinx
1:39:26 PM insanelikeafish: stop
1:39:31 PM stressreliefball: abc droupout
1:39:49 PM fhqwhgads703: rofl
1:39:54 PM psychozerosk8er: i'm just reading up on the thread
1:40:20 PM fhqwhgads703: kk
1:40:36 PM insanelikeafish: we'll grill you when you finish
1:40:44 PM insanelikeafish: haha
1:40:55 PM fhqwhgads703: There are 98 people viewing TGB
1:40:57 PM fhqwhgads703: wtf
1:41:44 PM insanelikeafish: uhoh you guys are going to hvae to grill without me
1:41:50 PM insanelikeafish: i've gotta take my brother to his gf's
1:41:52 PM insanelikeafish: bbl 40 mins
1:43:34 PM xxplatoniclove: fish
1:43:41 PM xxplatoniclove: are you the one that called me up and started singing grills
1:47:55 PM fhqwhgads703: "insanelikeafish<!-- (1:41:59 PM)-->: bbl 40 mins"
1:48:03 PM fhqwhgads703: I think that means he isn't here
1:48:16 PM xxplatoniclove: o
1:48:24 PM xxplatoniclove: i didnt see that one lol
1:50:54 PM psychozerosk8er: ok, just finished
1:51:00 PM psychozerosk8er: that was a lot
1:51:03 PM fhqwhgads703: So, thoughts?
1:51:23 PM psychozerosk8er: confused
1:51:30 PM psychozerosk8er: a lot to take in at once
1:52:09 PM xxplatoniclove: uhh
1:52:25 PM fhqwhgads703: That is entirely unhelpfu;
1:52:31 PM fhqwhgads703: unhelpful
1:52:33 PM psychozerosk8er: i kno
1:52:37 PM fhqwhgads703: Tell me what you think
1:52:40 PM xxplatoniclove: sounds like bull**** to me lolz
1:52:43 PM fhqwhgads703: Who are your suspicions
1:53:45 PM psychozerosk8er: well, i didn't like tass's post during the night
1:53:55 PM xxplatoniclove: ..
1:53:56 PM fhqwhgads703: What about it?
1:53:57 PM xxplatoniclove: lmao
1:54:17 PM psychozerosk8er: proved that he was human, too bluntly
1:54:50 PM fhqwhgads703: But would he sacrifice a kill for it?
1:55:17 PM psychozerosk8er: i'd say yes, to stay out of the way of suspicion
1:56:57 PM psychozerosk8er: he forfeits his kill to be human, then would try to start an alliance on that principle
1:57:11 PM xxplatoniclove: how would that post start an allianc
1:57:13 PM fhqwhgads703: Wow, you really are a jTWGer
1:57:14 PM xxplatoniclove: alliance*
1:57:17 PM stressreliefball: doubtful he would start an alliance
1:57:17 PM xxplatoniclove: go back to jtwg plz
1:57:22 PM psychozerosk8er: oh sorry
1:57:38 PM stressreliefball: read my post where I post fish's scenario of how tass would be a wolf
1:57:47 PM psychozerosk8er: ok, 1 sec
1:58:00 PM stressreliefball: it would work on the principle of him trying to look like the mark, as he might see himself as a likely seer target
1:59:00 PM xxplatoniclove: the mark doesnt know they're the mark right?
1:59:03 PM stressreliefball: right
1:59:24 PM fhqwhgads703: Tass would not do that
1:59:25 PM xxplatoniclove: i hope im not the mark :<
1:59:27 PM fhqwhgads703: He has balls
1:59:32 PM fhqwhgads703: But that's just stupid
1:59:42 PM stressreliefball: I think tass would send the kill in
1:59:50 PM fhqwhgads703: Yeah
2:00:15 PM stressreliefball: and I also think it's more likely to be an accident
2:00:21 PM stressreliefball: than deliberate
2:00:33 PM stressreliefball: considering that the thread went up at like one in the morning
2:00:37 PM fhqwhgads703: But Tass wuld have sent in a kill even if he couldn't talk to anyone else
2:00:41 PM fhqwhgads703: would*
2:00:46 PM stressreliefball: wolves might not have known their roles til the next day
2:00:53 PM fhqwhgads703: Possibly
2:00:55 PM stressreliefball: and then not realized how much time had gone by
2:00:56 PM psychozerosk8er: ok
2:01:31 PM psychozerosk8er: so then my "bad" idea stemed off the tass as a mark idea
2:01:57 PM nforcer06164: what.
2:01:57 PM stressreliefball: I mean it's something to keep in mind
2:02:04 PM nforcer06164: o hai guys
2:02:12 PM stressreliefball: it's nforcer
2:02:32 PM nforcer06164: k guys, so I want to know... general census
2:02:40 PM nforcer06164: deliberate or mistake?
2:02:43 PM stressreliefball: mistake
2:03:12 PM nforcer06164: anyone else?
2:03:19 PM fhqwhgads703: mistake
2:03:24 PM xxplatoniclove: if its a mistake then
2:03:25 PM xxplatoniclove: afrobean
2:03:27 PM xxplatoniclove: lol
2:03:30 PM nforcer06164: XD
2:03:31 PM fhqwhgads703: No way in hell wolves could justify missing a kill
2:03:51 PM nforcer06164: I thought of the deliberate idea a little more.
2:03:57 PM nforcer06164: and I came up with this, hear me out
2:04:08 PM xxplatoniclove: i dont want to hear you out
2:04:11 PM xxplatoniclove: go shave your back hair
2:04:13 PM psychozerosk8er: i've also been thinking more deliberate
2:04:25 PM nforcer06164: I'm not thinking deliberate.
2:04:36 PM nforcer06164: if you read the thread, I pioneered the mistake idea XD
2:04:52 PM nforcer06164: okay, so, if we consider deliberate
2:04:57 PM psychozerosk8er: my bad, misread that

[JurseyRider734]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

What he said:

PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR (1:50:32 PM): ok, just finished
PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR (1:50:38 PM): that was a lot
Fhqwhgads703 (1:50:42 PM): So, thoughts?
PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR (1:51:01 PM): confused
PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR (1:51:08 PM): a lot to take in at once
xxpla tonic love (1:51:48 PM): uhh
Fhqwhgads703 (1:52:04 PM): That is entirely unhelpfu;
Fhqwhgads703 (1:52:10 PM): unhelpful
PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR (1:52:11 PM): i kno
Fhqwhgads703 (1:52:16 PM): Tell me what you think
xxpla tonic love (1:52:19 PM): sounds like bull**** to me lolz
Fhqwhgads703 (1:52:22 PM): Who are your suspicions
PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR (1:53:23 PM): well, i didn't like tass's post during the night
xxpla tonic love (1:53:34 PM): ..
Fhqwhgads703 (1:53:34 PM): What about it?
xxpla tonic love (1:53:36 PM): lmao
PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR (1:53:56 PM): proved that he was human, too bluntly
Fhqwhgads703 (1:54:29 PM): But would he sacrifice a kill for it?
PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR (1:54:56 PM): i'd say yes, to stay out of the way of suspicion
PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR (1:56:36 PM): he forfeits his kill to be human, then would try to start an alliance on that principle
xxpla tonic love (1:56:50 PM): how would that post start an allianc
Fhqwhgads703 (1:56:52 PM): Wow, you really are a jTWGer
xxpla tonic love (1:56:52 PM): alliance*
stressreliefball (1:56:55 PM): doubtful he would start an alliance
xxpla tonic love (1:56:56 PM): go back to jtwg plz
PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR (1:57:00 PM): oh sorry
stressreliefball (1:57:17 PM): read my post where I post fish's scenario of how tass would be a wolf
PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR (1:57:26 PM): ok, 1 sec
stressreliefball (1:57:39 PM): it would work on the principle of him trying to look like the mark, as he might see himself as a likely seer target



My convo with mead about it + joke for you:

Fhqwhgads703 (1:53:55 PM): Thoughts on Psycho?
xxpla tonic love (1:54:07 PM): hes retarded
Fhqwhgads703 (1:54:16 PM): But is he a wolf?
xxpla tonic love (1:54:44 PM): uh? i don't know? i'm not the seer
xxpla tonic love (1:55:00 PM): psycho just sounds like a ****ing jtwg idiot
xxpla tonic love (1:55:01 PM): which he is
Fhqwhgads703 (1:55:04 PM): rofl
Fhqwhgads703 (1:55:07 PM): I agree
xxpla tonic love (1:55:39 PM): since when do i have a freckle on my hand
xxpla tonic love (1:55:42 PM): that means im going to get cancer
Fhqwhgads703 (1:55:47 PM): o no
xxpla tonic love (1:56:04 PM): i never remember that being there
xxpla tonic love (1:56:18 PM): say to psycho
xxpla tonic love (1:56:21 PM): "go back to jtwg plz"
Fhqwhgads703 (1:56:34 PM): no u
xxpla tonic love (1:56:36 PM): u
Fhqwhgads703 (1:57:20 PM): I love how you me and talis all jumped him at the same time rofl
xxpla tonic love (1:57:24 PM): hahaha
Fhqwhgads703 (1:57:36 PM): We're all "GET DOWN *****"
xxpla tonic love (1:57:52 PM): why did all the ******s die in vietnam
xxpla tonic love (1:58:06 PM): because whenever anyone yelled "GET DOWN" they started to dance.

[chickendude]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

ok, so I'm here. I was out for the afternoon.

This is really odd. I don't think that a wolf would try this strategy intentionally. I have to go with Tass/Mead on this one

This leads me to believe that at least one of the wolves was inactive and the other couldn't get in contact with each other. It's also a possibility that one of the wolves didn't make the wolfing because he/she thought that one of his/her partners would disapprove. This would imply that they didn't really know each other that well.

Right now blah and afro look quite inactive
blah pretty much made a substanceless post without much reasoning behind it. He's definitely smarter than that, so what could be different?

[talisman]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

wait why do we need the seer to come out? I'd almost prefer having an alliance in the background as opposed to the foreground... if a wolf is seered or something obviously the seer should come out (even if it is the mark, like tass said that just sucks for them), but otherwise I think it just gives alot of stuff for the wolves to work with, especially if the seer isn't as good at controlling an alliance or keeping their mouth shut to avoid giving away alliance members etc.

[mead1]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

Well, if the seer stays hidden there is always the chance of him being killed. If he comes out now, not only will he be alive for a really long time, but we have one less suspect on our list. He'll have one less on his personal list because of the gaurdian coming to him. The wolves don't know anything useful as long as the gaurdian doesn't come out to anyone other than the seer.

[JurseyRider734]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

Yes but what if they kill the guardian? Then everyone knows who the seer is and they're dead. Better for them to work in secret.

[Tasselfoot]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

Its like last game.... they have 1 person who they KNOW they can't kill.

Then it becomes a game of whether they want to risk attacking that person.

[nforcer06164]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

@ iggy: I am male. The "owned" comment was reference to the wolves not getting their kill. My "reasoning" on me and fish not being wolves was on the basis that we look at recent forum activity ONLY. I wasn't trying to push the idea that I wasn't a wolf.

@ Tass: In several games before the last game I played, I was terribly inactive. I explained this in several postgames, though. I was usually shoved out early by an alliance, and I ended up being the sheep who could do nothing but take a backseat. All my ideas were stated before I could state them. I was a green merely taking up space and throwing in a vote. This game (and the last one, too), I'm able to step up and make stuff happen. Remember how active I used to be when I first started? I plan on stepping up and being more active as in my starting days than that stale period.

@ Jurs: Here's the thing. If the guardian goes to the seer in secret, then the wolves will not know when/if the guardian is dead. Then, if they really want the seer dead, it'd have to be a lucky stab if the guardian isn't guarding the seer, or if the guardian is dead. I actually think it's a good idea right now, because there's a 100% guarantee both are alive.

[nforcer06164]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

To clairfy Tass's suggestion and make it prominent so it's not missed:

SEER. COME OUT PUBLICLY.

And more important after this occurs:

GUARDIAN. COME OUT TO THE SEER PRIVATELY. GUARD HIM/HER.

Also, when someone is seered and comes up human, contact them. Every human seered will be 100% guaranteed human with no MW. This game can end easily if an alliance can be built up quickly and solidly.

And for those of you who are questioning my humanity for being so eager: I'm not afraid to be seered. If I am the mark, as Tass already mentioned in reference to himself, I'll take a hit for the team to make sure the wolves do get found.

[Tasselfoot]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

Whats up with the inactivity now?

We went from like 30 posts in the first hour or two to zero posts in the past 12.

We have 4 or 5 people who have posted 0 or 1 times... this is sad. and where the **** is ap?

ps - blah... we know you just won $30k, but try and make some time to post here in TWG land... aight? your post sucked.

[iggymatrixcounter]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

Well after talking with a few people, I've come to the conclusion that really nothing can be done until the seer comes out. No one gives any evidence of doing anything else (that or they just didn't say what they were doing.)

Also another thing I've thought of. Since the seer coming out is such an awesome idea surely they would have done so by now, even if they just LOOKED at the thread. This is a dilema since the general thought is that a wolf is also inactive.

I'm placing a vote on psycho He told me he would try to play the game but I dunno I don't think he's posted yet. If he is seer he may come out and then I'll change but since the seer isn't coming out as of now. I have to run with what's going on now. And that is that a wolf is possibly inactive and/or not strong enough to take initiative and make a wolf vote. So feel he falls into both these categories.

[talisman]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

I've come to the conclusion that really nothing can be done until the seer comes out.

See now this seems a little different from the iggy I knew from two twgs ago... the one who was out talking to everyone, making longish posts, not saying "there's nothing to do". Also that vote on psycho... why? Is it necessary to vote this early on reasoning that weak. Why do you "have to run with what's going on now" and not wait until more evidence presents itself?

About the seer coming out/not... there are advantages and disadvantages. I kind of like the idea that with coming out the seer no longer has to fear death whereas before both seer and guardian have to worry about it. On the other hand, like I said earlier, if the seer isn't good at managing an alliance, then it might not be as good of an idea.

[blahblah18]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

seer should 100 % come out, its infinitely better by soooo much, msg me on aim any naysayers