TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

[Tps222]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

^ Directed towards Jurs.

I'm going to have to partially agree with nforcer. I can see the wolves doing it to confuse people, as we are right now.

[nforcer06164]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

Eva, you have to remember that I just looked through the post histories for each member. Everybody that was NOT on the list made a post at some time before today where, if wolf, they had an opportunity to send in a kill. That rules me and fish out if we look solely at forum activity.

[nforcer06164]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

I checked several times last night too, as fish did, to find that the game had started yet. I left at 7 and got back home around 11 (CST) and I could not get on the computer. I tried asking Tass via Mobile AIM if the game had started, and never got a response.

[JurseyRider734]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

(11:46:29 AM) You have just entered room "twgxxviii."
(11:46:36 AM) Tps7910 has entered the room.
xxpla tonic love (11:46:38 AM): hi
Tps7910 (11:46:41 AM): YOU ARE CONFUSED.
(11:46:43 AM) notsofaroff has entered the room.
insanelikeafish (11:46:44 AM): haha
(11:46:44 AM) nforcer06164 has entered the room.
Tps7910 (11:46:46 AM): THATS FINAL
xxpla tonic love (11:46:46 AM): ?
notsofaroff (11:46:47 AM): holy ****
xxpla tonic love (11:46:49 AM): who's confused
notsofaroff (11:46:54 AM): so
Tps7910 (11:46:54 AM): EVERYONE
xxpla tonic love (11:46:59 AM): oh
notsofaroff (11:46:59 AM): I have AIM triton
Tps7910 (11:47:00 AM): Anyways.
insanelikeafish (11:47:01 AM): TPS is
insanelikeafish (11:47:08 AM): or he's at least trying to make us think we are
notsofaroff (11:47:12 AM): and this chat is in an IM format
Tps7910 (11:47:13 AM): Of course.
xxpla tonic love (11:47:19 AM): because Tps is a wolf?
insanelikeafish (11:47:25 AM): i'd say so
Tps7910 (11:47:30 AM): Anyways.
xxpla tonic love (11:47:35 AM): lol did we just see a wolf slip?
notsofaroff (11:47:35 AM): what's going on?

then he says

Tps7910 (11:47:56 AM): So?
xxpla tonic love (11:48:03 AM): who would say that besides a wolf?
Tps7910 (11:48:04 AM): Pointless accusations right now.
Tps7910 (11:48:07 AM): TPS wold.
Tps7910 (11:48:08 AM): would
xxpla tonic love (11:48:11 AM): bs
Tps7910 (11:48:12 AM): Anyways.
insanelikeafish (11:48:14 AM): stupid claws
xxpla tonic love (11:48:20 AM): stop trying to change the subject lol


i dunno about you but it looks like Tps didn't know I was there. Then he tries to quickly change the subject from the "You are confused" thing after I say that. Just posting it so everyone can see it because not everyone is in the chat.

[Tps222]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

You're retarded Jurs.

So Fish and I are wolves, we set up a public chat, invited people into it, and then we talk wolfy plans?

Come on.

[JurseyRider734]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

Anything could happen.

[mead1]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

I have to agree with nforcer and Fish on the inactive vet theory. I just cannot picture a scenario in which the wolves would benefit from not making the night one kill. It may confuse us a bit, but it doesn't outweigh the loss of a kill. I know the first game I played as a wolf, I made 0 decisions, and never really had to. I can see the same thing happening here with a combination of 1/2 newbies and one of the higher-tier players. I think our key suspicion today should be on aperson and blah. They are both higher-ups whom a newbie would probably leave the kill decisions to.

[FishFishRevolution]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

I don't see why you guys keep listing aperson as an inactive. Just because he hasn't posted, doesn't mean he hasn't been around FFR.

aperson - Last Activity: Today 06:58 AM

Could have easily sent in the kill.

[mead1]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

Point taken. My suspicion is on blah then.

[talisman]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

So... no kill. Obvious theory: two of the wolves got together but couldn't contact the third and didn't know that wilkin would end the night after 24 hours. Also, sort of presumes the wolves who were around weren't the type who would contact wilkin and ask about this sort of thing.

I like how tass is/made himself human with his post there during the night. Fish is talking to me and has raised the scenario where tass does that as a wolf, and it is somewhat plausible... but I still find it doubtful that tass would let a kill go by.

the scenario:

insanelikeafish (1:13:11 PM): what about this
insanelikeafish (1:13:19 PM): Tass is a wolf with two deadbeats
insanelikeafish (1:13:24 PM): or maybe not even deadbeats
insanelikeafish (1:13:32 PM): but he opts for not sending in a kill
insanelikeafish (1:13:38 PM): and makes that big post
insanelikeafish (1:13:46 PM): for the human confirmation
insanelikeafish (1:13:49 PM): because if he's seered wolf
insanelikeafish (1:13:57 PM): he can just say "well we found the mark"

Also, unless blah was the inactive one (which is certainly possible), I don't see him letting a kill go by for any reason.

aight, some convoage:

insanelikeafish (1:07:31 PM): hey
stressreliefball (1:07:34 PM): sup yo
stressreliefball (1:07:46 PM): wtf is up with this no kill business?
insanelikeafish (1:07:55 PM): we've attributed it mostly to accident
stressreliefball (1:08:06 PM): I'm making a post on my theory right now
stressreliefball (1:08:13 PM): but yeah, accident seems most likely
insanelikeafish (1:08:14 PM): yeah
stressreliefball (1:08:20 PM): 2 wolves get together
stressreliefball (1:08:25 PM): 3rd is away
stressreliefball (1:08:38 PM): the 2 wait for the 3rd... not aware of what wilkin is going to do
insanelikeafish (1:08:39 PM): and it looks to me like the 2vet 1fresh theory or the reverse frame job theory or the accident theory are the ebst
insanelikeafish (1:08:43 PM): quote from chat
insanelikeafish (1:08:44 PM): earlier
insanelikeafish (1:08:51 PM): yeah
stressreliefball (1:08:57 PM): well
insanelikeafish (1:09:06 PM): but the reverse frame job
stressreliefball (1:09:06 PM): my thinking is that the two who did contact each other
insanelikeafish (1:09:08 PM): is just extreme
stressreliefball (1:09:17 PM): assuming that two did
stressreliefball (1:09:24 PM): I guess it's possible none of them talked
stressreliefball (1:09:25 PM): but anyway
stressreliefball (1:09:37 PM): whoever did are the kind of people who don't talk to the host
stressreliefball (1:09:56 PM): and tass has managed to rule himself out as well
insanelikeafish (1:09:58 PM): which would eliminate hans, tass, and maybe ap
insanelikeafish (1:10:00 PM): yeah
stressreliefball (1:10:11 PM): I would eliminate blah as well, unless he was the inactive
stressreliefball (1:10:19 PM): because blah would make a kill
stressreliefball (1:10:30 PM): he would never let a no-kill go by
insanelikeafish (1:10:42 PM): yeah
insanelikeafish (1:10:53 PM): i was looking through the list
insanelikeafish (1:11:03 PM): and i couldn't think of three people who would let this happen on purpose
insanelikeafish (1:11:12 PM): it's just not worth it
stressreliefball (1:11:18 PM): yeah
insanelikeafish (1:13:11 PM): what about this
insanelikeafish (1:13:19 PM): Tass is a wolf with two deadbeats
insanelikeafish (1:13:24 PM): or maybe not even deadbeats
insanelikeafish (1:13:32 PM): but he opts for not sending in a kill
insanelikeafish (1:13:38 PM): and makes that big post
insanelikeafish (1:13:46 PM): for the human confirmation
insanelikeafish (1:13:49 PM): because if he's seered wolf
insanelikeafish (1:13:57 PM): he can just say "well we found the mark"
insanelikeafish (1:14:07 PM): also, i'll be watching to see if he asks to be seered
stressreliefball (1:14:08 PM): it's a possibility
insanelikeafish (1:14:12 PM): if he doesn't, i'll be suspicious
insanelikeafish (1:14:14 PM): just because
insanelikeafish (1:14:20 PM): a seered human is a guarenteed human
insanelikeafish (1:14:39 PM): which is something tass as a human wouldn't want to miss out on
stressreliefball (1:14:45 PM): right
insanelikeafish (1:14:52 PM): but as a wolf
stressreliefball (1:14:53 PM): although I don't think he would ask to be seered
insanelikeafish (1:14:59 PM): he might not jump to that so fast
stressreliefball (1:15:01 PM): because... that's kind of a death wish
insanelikeafish (1:15:08 PM): why's that?
stressreliefball (1:15:20 PM): the wolves will be just like "tass is getting seered... time to wolf"
stressreliefball (1:15:51 PM): which is why I think people like mead, nforcer, tps, chickendude, etc
stressreliefball (1:15:53 PM): should be seered
insanelikeafish (1:16:09 PM): hmm
insanelikeafish (1:16:29 PM): well he's askd to be seered in similar situations
insanelikeafish (1:16:35 PM): situations without master, that is
insanelikeafish (1:16:46 PM): and then just relied on the guardian for a save
stressreliefball (1:16:49 PM): yeah... well I guess we'll see
insanelikeafish (1:16:53 PM): we know the guardian is still alive becuase no one is dead
stressreliefball (1:17:00 PM): right
insanelikeafish (1:17:02 PM): so it wouldn't be that big of a risk
insanelikeafish (1:20:32 PM): now i know your policy with tps
stressreliefball (1:20:38 PM): yeah
insanelikeafish (1:20:49 PM): but what he said just really reminded of a wolf's first post
insanelikeafish (1:21:06 PM): "Perhaps the wolves did this on purpose? I can see it happening, as it is already confusing us."
insanelikeafish (1:21:11 PM): it really wasn't confusing anyone
stressreliefball (1:21:20 PM): hmm
insanelikeafish (1:21:28 PM): like
stressreliefball (1:21:29 PM): I talked to him a little last night
insanelikeafish (1:21:32 PM): you see what i mean?
insanelikeafish (1:21:35 PM): yeah
insanelikeafish (1:21:36 PM): he said
stressreliefball (1:21:37 PM): at times he seemed a little off
insanelikeafish (1:21:48 PM): he said in the chat he assumed you for human for some reason
stressreliefball (1:21:56 PM): hmm
insanelikeafish (1:21:56 PM): let me go back and see what point he was trying to make
stressreliefball (1:22:02 PM): must have been from out convo
stressreliefball (1:22:11 PM): and the fact that we were talking last night
stressreliefball (1:22:15 PM): therefore on
insanelikeafish (1:23:48 PM): 11:57:03 AM tps7910: and we were discussing who would be the most likely candidate
11:57:08 AM tps7910: for wolfage
11:57:19 AM tps7910: We came up with Fish as the 1st
11:57:23 AM tps7910: and AP as the 2nd best
11:57:42 AM insanelikeafish: sounds about right to me
11:57:50 AM tps7910: Which means.
11:57:57 AM tps7910: I'm going to eliminate Talisman for a bit
11:58:00 AM notsofaroff: somebody post the tps "YOU ARE CONFUSED" comment and explain it for the people who aren't in this chat, for reference sake
11:58:04 AM nforcer06164: the wolves don't always pick best...
11:58:11 AM tps7910: If talisman was a wolf
11:58:19 AM tps7910: he would have made the decisions
11:58:21 AM tps7910: as to who dies
11:58:31 AM tps7910: I've played with him as a wolf a few times
11:58:34 AM nforcer06164: I'm not saying he was.
11:58:40 AM tps7910: I know
11:58:46 AM tps7910: I'm just going off on my own.
11:58:55 AM tps7910: I remember
11:58:57 AM tps7910: one game
11:59:01 AM tps7910: a wolf kill wasn't sent in
11:59:03 AM tps7910: when was that?

stressreliefball (1:24:24 PM): yeah
stressreliefball (1:24:30 PM): that sounds about right
stressreliefball (1:24:37 PM): I guess I should post that convo
insanelikeafish (1:24:44 PM): wouldn't hurt
insanelikeafish (1:24:50 PM): i know i'd like to see it
stressreliefball (1:24:55 PM): k hold on

Tps7910 (9:53:27 PM): Choking is a NY trait
stressreliefball (9:53:43 PM): it was a valiant effort
stressreliefball (9:54:03 PM): when the hell is this twg going to start
Tps7910 (9:54:07 PM): Dunno.
Tps7910 (9:54:13 PM): I assume picks aren't in?
stressreliefball (9:54:23 PM): I have no clue
Tps7910 (9:54:38 PM): How do we approach this game?
Tps7910 (9:54:41 PM): Figuring the mark?
Tps7910 (9:54:45 PM): or normally.
stressreliefball (9:54:57 PM): meh, mark shouldn't really enter into it
stressreliefball (9:55:00 PM): there's no master
Tps7910 (9:55:05 PM): Right.
stressreliefball (9:55:09 PM): so seering a human is guaranteed alliance
stressreliefball (9:56:19 PM): I'm loving the lineup in this game
Tps7910 (9:56:24 PM): ?
stressreliefball (9:56:26 PM): whole bunch of strong players
stressreliefball (9:56:28 PM): (in twg)
Tps7910 (9:56:30 PM): Oh.
Tps7910 (9:56:33 PM): Yeah.
Tps7910 (9:56:38 PM): AP is back.
Tps7910 (9:56:42 PM): Dunno how he was unbanned.
stressreliefball (9:56:47 PM): chardish not being around?
Tps7910 (9:56:51 PM): Probably.
Tps7910 (9:56:58 PM): Although he blocked me from his buddy list.
stressreliefball (10:23:23 PM): what would be funny is if you tass and hans are the wolves
Tps7910 (10:23:37 PM): why?
stressreliefball (10:23:38 PM): (because of the avatar switch)
Tps7910 (10:23:40 PM): Oh.
Tps7910 (10:23:44 PM): Jurs did as well.
stressreliefball (10:23:52 PM): oh did she?
stressreliefball (10:23:56 PM): she must be the mark then :P
Tps7910 (10:24:04 PM): Of course.
Tps7910 (10:24:08 PM): Now
stressreliefball (10:24:12 PM): mark doesn't know their the mark though, right?
Tps7910 (10:24:16 PM): The mark is on the wolf team, right?
stressreliefball (10:24:20 PM): they're*
stressreliefball (10:24:22 PM): uh
stressreliefball (10:24:26 PM): I didn't think so
Tps7910 (10:24:28 PM): I mean
Tps7910 (10:24:30 PM): Makes no sense
Tps7910 (10:24:33 PM): whats the point
stressreliefball (10:24:46 PM): ok reread hosting thread
stressreliefball (10:24:49 PM): they don't know who they are
Tps7910 (10:25:16 PM): Oh
stressreliefball (10:25:25 PM): therefore they play as human
Tps7910 (10:25:34 PM): and there PM says human?
Tps7910 (10:25:36 PM): or mark?
stressreliefball (10:25:44 PM): they don't know who they are
stressreliefball (10:25:48 PM): so it would say human
Tps7910 (10:25:53 PM): Scary.
stressreliefball (10:25:55 PM): if they did know who they were
stressreliefball (10:25:59 PM): they could come out
Tps7910 (10:26:07 PM): Why?
stressreliefball (10:26:10 PM): why not?
Tps7910 (10:26:14 PM): Wolf team?
stressreliefball (10:26:26 PM): I was thinking alliance
Tps7910 (10:26:45 PM): the mark is a wolf
stressreliefball (10:26:50 PM): really?
Tps7910 (10:26:52 PM): yes
stressreliefball (10:26:54 PM): what
Tps7910 (10:26:56 PM): what else would it be?
stressreliefball (10:26:59 PM): I thought they were human
stressreliefball (10:27:04 PM): it's not a "mark" per se
Tps7910 (10:27:06 PM): why have a mark then
stressreliefball (10:27:08 PM): wilkin chose them
stressreliefball (10:27:13 PM): because it ****s up the seer
Tps7910 (10:27:18 PM): how so
stressreliefball (10:27:19 PM): if they seer a wolf they don't know for sure
Tps7910 (10:27:54 PM): so they are on the wolf team
Tps7910 (10:27:58 PM): or
stressreliefball (10:27:59 PM): no
Tps7910 (10:28:02 PM): human team
stressreliefball (10:28:03 PM): they're on the human team
Tps7910 (10:28:05 PM): but is seer a wolf?
stressreliefball (10:28:08 PM): right
Tps7910 (10:28:43 PM): oh
Tps7910 (10:28:45 PM): you're right
Tps7910 (10:28:54 PM): not a good role at all
Tps7910 (10:29:10 PM): Serves no purpose
stressreliefball (10:29:14 PM): makes alliance making easy
stressreliefball (10:29:16 PM): basically
Tps7910 (10:29:17 PM): human sacrifice would be worth it
Tps7910 (10:29:31 PM): w/out the mw
Tps7910 (10:29:32 PM): yeah
Tps7910 (10:29:52 PM): AP is going to be wolfed.
stressreliefball (10:30:05 PM): hmm
stressreliefball (10:30:10 PM): yeah I can see that
Tps7910 (10:30:17 PM): Makes sense.
stressreliefball (10:30:18 PM): him or hans
Tps7910 (10:30:22 PM): You'll probably be seer'd.
Tps7910 (10:30:27 PM): Depending on the seer's goals.
stressreliefball (10:30:30 PM): depends on the seer
stressreliefball (10:30:32 PM): I wouldn't seer me
Tps7910 (10:30:46 PM): Because of the wolfing attraction
stressreliefball (10:30:47 PM): I'd seer like... mead or someone
Tps7910 (10:31:05 PM): I'm never going to get seer'd :/
stressreliefball (10:31:15 PM): I wouldn't be so certain
stressreliefball (10:31:20 PM): I think you're a good seering candidate
Tps7910 (10:31:23 PM): Well.
Tps7910 (10:31:34 PM): perhaps
Tps7910 (10:31:47 PM): I've been getting wolfed a lot lately.
Tps7910 (10:31:58 PM): I seem to be a good night 3 choice.
stressreliefball (10:32:21 PM): ooh fish would be a good wolfing choice
stressreliefball (10:32:35 PM): that's definitely who I'd wolf
Tps7910 (10:32:44 PM): Hmm.
Tps7910 (10:32:46 PM): I agree.
Tps7910 (10:33:01 PM): Active and logical.
stressreliefball (10:33:45 PM): oh chickendude is playing
stressreliefball (10:33:47 PM): nice
stressreliefball (10:33:58 PM): smart kid
Tps7910 (10:34:00 PM): Yeah.
Tps7910 (10:34:09 PM): I can't see anyone else coming up from jTWG
stressreliefball (10:34:18 PM): psycho came up
Tps7910 (10:34:21 PM): I mean.
Tps7910 (10:34:23 PM): After this.
stressreliefball (10:34:32 PM): yeah
stressreliefball (10:34:39 PM): although I really don't follow jtwg too much
Tps7910 (10:34:51 PM): My bro is hosting the upcoming game.
stressreliefball (10:35:07 PM): your brother is young
Tps7910 (10:35:12 PM): Yeah.
Tps7910 (10:35:45 PM): Fish owned jTWG.
Tps7910 (10:35:47 PM): Easily.
Tps7910 (10:35:50 PM): It was so retarded.
Tps7910 (10:35:53 PM): He replaces someone.
Tps7910 (10:36:01 PM): So they try and wolf him that night.
Tps7910 (10:36:03 PM): Guarded.
stressreliefball (10:36:09 PM): what an obvious guard
Tps7910 (10:36:14 PM): and everyone bandwagons every word he says
Tps7910 (10:36:15 PM): I know.
Tps7910 (10:36:30 PM): He could have won it by himself.
Tps7910 (10:36:36 PM): all the wolves were pegged by day 1
stressreliefball (10:36:47 PM): kind of like a certain twg game I can remember....
Tps7910 (10:36:50 PM): Thats the biggest problem
Tps7910 (10:36:52 PM): haha
Tps7910 (10:37:02 PM): What is that referring to?
stressreliefball (10:37:05 PM): last game
Tps7910 (10:37:09 PM): Not really.
Tps7910 (10:37:11 PM): Jurs mainly.
Tps7910 (10:37:15 PM): Blah was kind of on you.
stressreliefball (10:37:22 PM): yeah
stressreliefball (10:37:25 PM): blah is ****ing good
Tps7910 (10:37:27 PM): Did I get voted?
Tps7910 (10:37:29 PM): I know.
stressreliefball (10:37:31 PM): you got voted day one
Tps7910 (10:37:36 PM): Right
Tps7910 (10:37:40 PM): so i posted the convo's
Tps7910 (10:37:41 PM): well
Tps7910 (10:37:46 PM): the biggest problem in jTWG
Tps7910 (10:37:49 PM): is the mindset of the wolves
Tps7910 (10:37:55 PM): always first level
Tps7910 (10:37:57 PM): way too obvious
stressreliefball (10:37:59 PM): yeah

[MilfeulleSakuraba]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

Since my named got tossed around a couple times, I'll say this for myself: I wolved around with hordes of inactives at BMS for long enough that I know enough to send in a choice for a kill on my own if all else fails.

- I was at work yesterday, but I was following the March Madness scores online while there (see my UConn/Albany post in the topic in Chit Chat). If necessary, I would've communicated via PM from there.

- As shown by Fish's time stamps, I was also around last night/this morning. If nothing else, I would've sent in a kill on my own. Any kill is better than no kill for Night 1. (This also makes me believe that Tass' Night 1 post isn't a trickery attempt, as I'm sure he knows the value of a kill vs no kill.)

[blahblah18]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

hi, thanks for the ompliment boys, no i'm not a wolf, I checked my PM, saw I was lil ol human, at least I"m Sammy Farha, because I really am a huuuge lucksack, and the reason I wasn't online at all last ngiht was because I was actually playing in poker tournaments

[iggymatrixcounter]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

Well let’s see…. If I analyzed this right, the wolves have lost a day because of not killing anyone. (Assuming all three wolves live) So I rule out the wolves doing this as a strategy. Have to go with the inactive theory. Plus some of my own reasons:

Fish: said he plays wacky wolf tactics as a wolf. He posts the activity log 4 minutes after nforcer said she would do it, and also makes a quick type on the theories of what it all means. Surely there was some convo between them that got them to do this together so quickly because the likelihood of fish reading it, then posting it in alphabetical order and analyzing it to come up with his “two possibly” statement is truly remarkable.
Nforcer: What’s with the owned comment on your first post?

Owned.

My thoughts have flown to looking at who is normally slight on making several posts and remaining very active. Unfortunately, I also think that isn't a very good idea, because anybody could be inactive or absent for any reason. Still, we need to start somewhere.

I find it highly unlikely that three members who are normally not very active are stuck together as wolves. However, I think that someone who is normally inactive will probably be stuck in the bunch based on the circumstances. So, who? My list of which I speculate at least one, in all probability, is a wolf, looks like this:

Other ideas that have been floating in my mind include the distribution of the wolf role. Though I don't know how prominent a role a newer player would be willing to make in a wolf decision, I don't want to rule out the possibility that we had two unavailable veterans and a new guy. The new guy, not being able to contact the senior players, waited, expecting to wait for them to make the kill, and letting the time elapse. If I was new, I'd probably do the same in that situation.

I'm going to look through posting histories right now to see who was absent for the past 36 hours or so and make a second post. It might help us arrive at a conclusion. Other than that, this is all I have for now.

From this I also assume you’re very active and point the possibility of active people not being wolves. (which I guess I agree with) But it’s possible, like it’s been said b-ball has probably affected enough people so that they wouldn’t be able to talk about who to wolf.

You also throw another reason why you can’t be a wolf.

[…]That rules me and fish out if we look solely at forum activity.

Afro: super inactive. In either case of any inactive theory he would be at top list. Like I said before there’s no reason why a wolf wouldn’t pick a kill so he goes to my co-top suspect list.

Blah: only a few more hours less than afro and I suspect him as the other most wolfy.

TPS: bent on the no kill as a confusion tactic that no one else really supports. Says he can see it happening on purpose…. I dunno there’s no gain and surely he would be able to see this.

So in short my order for now is afro/blah, nforcer, fish.

As far as aperson I dunno where people are getting evidence for him so I don’t suspect him. He could have sent in the PM. I’m kind of against the whole idea of a wolf sitting on his thumbs waiting for a more experienced player to make the wolf choice. Yea maybe an inexperienced player wouldn’t know the consequences as well as a newbie would but if I know it’s bad then I’m assuming everyone else (vet or noob) knows it as well.

[Tasselfoot]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

First... blah, way to make a retarded worthless post after 25 others.

Second... Whorli and I were at the movies. 11am and 1:45 movie. Just got back. I made the post this morning PURELY because Wilkin wasn't online and I doubted that he knew about the 24 hour thing. Also, Wilkin pointed out that he gave the wolves almost 36 hours, and at the time he opened day 1, they STILL hadn't sent in a kill.

With that... this is my idea:

1. I can't be a wolf, for the reason Kilga stated. The same way that I will ALWAYS vote... I will ALWAYS send in a kill. The no-kill results in an extra day, guarenteed. Nothing is worth having to go through an extra day, especially not in this game where there are guarenteed humans via the lack of a MW. PLUS, we still have found things to discuss, haven't we. If anything, the sheer randomness of this day will result in a higher probability of randomly getting a wolf than otherwise (this may be a stretch). If you don't believe me... seer me. If I'm the mark.... I won't willingly go into the night, but I'll accept it for the team, knowing that any other wolf will be real.

2. My plan. Seer comes out. Guardian goes to Seer, protects them. Any humans seen will join the alliance. Anyone seen as a wolf will be lynched. A majority couldn't be reached until day 4 (3/16, 4/14, 5/12, 6/10), and because of the lack of a kill... we can even accept a wolf seer'd or a wolf'd alliance-person to make it 5/10 on day 4... plus, the co-ordination of the alliance. Downside? Besides me not running the alliance... the seer would be known to everyone. Upside? We have an alliance, 3 people working together OR 2 people + dead wolf day 1 (or mark). Seems better than all of us randomly going around with our heads in our asses. Plus the guardian will have free reign to protect the seer.

3. The "mark" (or Dog, as I shall refer to them as... as a Dog is a domesticated wolf, of sorts) is 100% random. The wolves did not pick the mark. Therefore, myself or any of the other 10 humans have a 9% chance of being the Dog. Any discussion of otherwise is a waste of time.

4. I sure hope that the wolves are not stupid enough to intentionally NOT send in a kill. My guess is that while the wolves were likely online... they may not have all been online together, and didn't realize how much time had gone by. From what I recall, that is what happened the last time there was no wolf kill... the 2 remaining wolves each thought the other was sending in the kill, so neither did. So from that, I'd look at those who were not around MUCH over the past 36 hours... not neccessarily those who were just not around for the longest time to the current.

So, that is my take on things for now...

[FishFishRevolution]

Re: TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

Well I saw that the TWG thread had been updated, so I opened it. I looked in and saw no wolf kill had been made, so immediately assumed inactivity. I then checked last visited for every person on the site and posted it. nforcer beat me to the post, and he was thinking along the same lines. Also, if this helps to ease your mind at all:

11:28:03 AM insanelikeafish: hey i just posed log time
11:28:03 AM insanelikeafish: s
11:28:14 AM insanelikeafish: saved you some trouble
11:28:24 AM nforcer06164: uh.
11:28:33 AM insanelikeafish: posted*
11:28:34 AM nforcer06164: I'm halfway through looking up forum posts.
11:28:41 AM nforcer06164: so I'll finish that ^_^;
11:28:53 AM insanelikeafish: alright, just letting you know
11:29:00 AM nforcer06164: thanks =P
11:29:08 AM nforcer06164: I'm really doing all I can in this situation
11:29:14 AM nforcer06164: there's no allinace, no kill...
11:29:18 AM insanelikeafish: yeah
11:29:25 AM nforcer06164: someone has to step up and look at things from all angles
11:29:36 AM insanelikeafish: good opportunity to be active for a reason
11:29:44 AM nforcer06164: right
11:30:02 AM nforcer06164: actually, I think I'm getting somewhere with this post thing, too
11:30:08 AM nforcer06164: you'll see when I'm done.
11:30:10 AM insanelikeafish: awesome