TWG VI - Post Game

**Lupin_the_3rd** · 12-17-2004, 01:25 PM

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hah...some humans acted so suspiciously during that game- threw me off there a lot.

kudos to the wolves for a flawless victory

**evilbutterfly** · 12-17-2004, 01:28 PM

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Too bad I couldn't participate in this one. Cya in the next TWG!

And congrats to those wily wolves.

**Tasselfoot** · 12-17-2004, 01:28 PM

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ok... first of all... i need to get this off my chest.

NO WOLF IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WILL EVER COMMIT HARI-KARI. IT IS MATHEMATICALLY INCORRECT. IT IS LOGICALLY INCORRECT. AND IT IS JUST PLAIN OUT STUPID FOR ANYONE TO BELIEVE THAT ONE PERSON WOULD BE WILLING TO KILL THEMSELVES FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE TEAM... PLUS THE FACT THAT IN THIS GAME, THERE WAS HARDLY SUSPICION ON THE WOLVES, SO THEY HAVE NO REASON TO KILL THEMSELVES.

argh. i've been meaning to say that for days now. also, i am flat out ashamed at Blah and Alain. you two were manipulated into killing me and not smart enough to realize the errors of your ways. hell, you were too chicken to even confront me about it, knowing that i could convince you to not kill me. HAD YOU LISTENED TO ME, cypher would have died on day 1 and tps would have died on day 2. it turns out that me switching from cypher to snapps on day 1 was also part of what got me killed on day 2.

another note... WTF WERE YOU DOING KEFIT?!?!?!
1. why did you not contact myself or blah.
2. why were you unable to put 2+2 together on day 4... you had enough information to peg at least 2 wolves through inactivaty alone.
3. why did you reveal yourself as the seer when you KNEW the guardian was dead.

i put the absolute blame for this human loss on the shoulders of Kefit. you messed up BIG.

for the wolves... you played very well, and also got lucky. Blah managed to talk me out of voting for cypher (still not sure why i listened) on day 1, thereby allowing you to not have to make an early move to save him... and then convincing alain and blah to gangrape me on day 2 when otherwise tps would have died.... and lastly taking advantage of having COMPLETE AND UTTER MORONS playing the endgame.

i will finish with my time honored words... when i am involved with the seer, my side wins. got the seer killed on day 1 in both 1 and 4, and in games 2, 3, and 5 i worked with either the real seer or a fake one. so if we learn nothing else from this horrid display of critical thinking... TRUST THE TASS.

oh yes, that leads me to my final thought... HUMAN PARANOIA IS THE KEY TO WOLF VICTORY. why do i win? is it because i'm the smartest? probably not (q, squeek, chardish, guido, etc are all quite intelligent). it is because I TRUST PEOPLE. i'm sure that since i go out and say this, its going to change.... but people who are wolves fear me. they know i can pick apart their conversations and see deep into their soul. so they do not IM me. only humans do. (of course, there are always exceptions to this rule... but i stick by my trust, as alain will testify to). so Kefit, to Kilga, to anyone who is filled with paranoia... STOP IT! it is paranoia that forces us to work as individuals like in twg6. and as individuals, we shall die alone. if we band together, we have a shot of killing the evil wolves. (now, i'm saying this on the assumptions that i'll be human the majority of the time... ignore everything i am saying if i am a wolf.

)

um... i'm sure i have more to my rant, but i'll wait to see everyone's comments and reactions to my thoughts first.

**CypherToorima** · 12-17-2004, 01:38 PM

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This is my perspective on TWG, as a wolf.
First Night: eb was just a kill. I didn’t want to have to talk to him and accidentally say something that would reveal me. Actually, I think I wanted to kill blah the first day, Good thing I didn’t.

First day: Holy crap that was close. I was so pissed I was going to random voted off. I decided to do something about it. I posted my defense and then I talked to tasselfoot. I pretty much said “It’s not like you to random vote” and he changed his vote. I don’t what made him do it, whether it was my statement or his own predetermined decision. I just saw tass's real reason. thanks blah Either way, it saved my ass.

Second Night: Q. That was an easy choice. Smart guy, but probably won’t be gaurdianed.

Second day: I was talking to blah, and he seemed very suspicious of tass. Perfect. There was already a vote for him, and the voting period was close to ending. Blah tried so hard to convince me to vote for tass, when in reality, I love the idea. I hope to God it wasn’t a trap, but I went for it. Humans and a wolf lynch the human’s greatest ally. Score 2 for me.

Third Night: Kilgamayan. Smart guy. TWG vet. Not likely to be gaurdianed.

Fourth Day: Hans is suspicious of me. Oh well. I explain myself for voting tass. Helped out in getting Alain insta-lynched. Damn I’m good.

Fourth Night: Blah was scrambling to get a human alliance in order. I got in. I thought it would be smooth sailing. I decide I need to kill blah because he would figure me out sooner or later. Good thing we decided to wolf him.

Fourth Day: Blah figured everything out. Good thing he was dead. This day, the waters start becoming somewhat rocky. Not too bad, but victory isn’t so clear cut. As far as I know, afrobean trusts me. I try hard to get Hans killed from this day to the next. Alas, he stayed alive. Kefit comes out as the seer. I am suspicious of him actually being the seer, and the humans were just trying to throw us off the real seer’s case. Oh well. SO close to getting Hans lynched but 87 threw in his vote for Afrobean, and it became a knife-in-the-box. Bean loses. Hans is still alive.

Night five: I do a random pick between Kefit and Hans, because I thought hans MIGHT be the seer. I got kefit. Good for us. I’m sad that my human ally was lynched though. Oh well.

Day five: Holy crap. Too many close calls. First off, tps and squeek were never on at the same time. I was under extreme scrutiny. No good for me. At that time, I had one chance at victory, and that was to get Hans insta-lynched. If tps squeek and I were on at the same time, we could have done it. No such luck. 87x busts out with his vigilante card and kills Eyespew. Damnit. But then I get home and tps is on. I see that I have three votes. But then I see that it takes four to get me insta-lynched. Hell yes. Then squeek gets on. Tps comes up with the ‘vote 87x’ idea. I come up with “let’s post the same thing so humans get angry” idea. At five till four, I vote for 87x. Then Squeek votes, then tps.

3 points.

**Kefit** · 12-17-2004, 01:43 PM

A response to Tasselfoot:

1) You or Blah could have been master wolf. Period. The end.

2) I had enough info to peg Squeek, I guess, but by that point I didn't care enough to really play the game properly.

3) I was going to die that night anyways. Plus I was getting extremely irritated with the game, so I thought, "why not?"

And yes, human paranoia does get the humans killed. You should have been there with chat between me, Alain, Blah, and eyespew. We were all convinced that the chat room was running rampant with wolves, and thus, we accomplished absolutely nothing. Actually, we accomplished less than nothing, since we all left the chat hugely suspicious of each other.

Now, mathematically, choosing to trust someone will win the game for you more often than it won't. I don't particularly care for wins over the long run though. I only care about the current game, and I am not willing to throw any given game to chance.

Anyway, I am done with this game.

Oh, one more thing:

Please, in the next game, replace the seer with something else. Three masons, perhaps.

**Wayfaerer_** · 12-17-2004, 01:44 PM

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So what exactly is this game?

**Lupin_the_3rd** · 12-17-2004, 01:46 PM

RE: TWG VI - Post Game

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...wtopic&t=18844

**Tasselfoot** · 12-17-2004, 01:53 PM

Kefit... i'm pretty sure i explained my logic behind the seer still trusting people, regardless of the master wolf or not... if i didn't (i know i did), i'll say it again for everyone to hear:

at the start of day 1 there is a 1/14 chance that the person seered is the master wolf (16 players, 1 dead already, 1 seer). now... it has been clearly proven that the key to human victory is an organized voting block (read: TRUST). look back on TWG2 for what happens when a wolf infiltrates a human alliance.

also, there are failsafes that you did not think about. you tell both myself and blah that you are the seer. if you die that night, most likely one of the 2 is a wolf and they can continue in your memory... or, more obvious... the wolf will stay in the shadows, working with the seer to kill the other 2 wolves. in the WORST CASE SCENARIO, it plays down to 3 people (2 humans, 1 wolf).

without trust Kefit, there is only chaos. also, your feelings of apathy upset me greatly. there are easily 10 people that wanted to play in this TWG but couldn't because people like you took their spot. i hope you do not play again, as you do not show an actual desire to play. or better yet, you get wolfed on night 1 again. because not only will you not play, i will find it amazingly funny.

PS - i've been talking to chardish about a mason game for twg7. we shall see how it goes.

EDIT: i feel we should have a TWG ban list, or at least temp ban list... for people who are unfit to play or have shown unwillingness to play.

My List:
Moogy - perma ban
Snapps - temp ban (maybe perma)
Kefit - temp.

its not fair for people who actually want to play and give their full effort that others who aren't take their spot.

**Kefit** · 12-17-2004, 01:56 PM

I started off this game rather excited about it, but it ate away at me as time went on. The completely retarded chat I had was the final straw.

Anyway, I just don't like the mechanics of this game. You seem to enjoy it though, so have fun with future TWGs.

**Lupin_the_3rd** · 12-17-2004, 02:00 PM

could someone post when the sign-ups will be for tomorrow, or whereabouts? I definitely want to give this game a go.

**flypie743** · 12-17-2004, 02:00 PM

Hahahha, Tass I thought whatever side you were on WILL win TWG.

As for the ban list, I think you and chardish should be put on there because of what you did last TWG. That was just low.

**evilbutterfly** · 12-17-2004, 02:10 PM

I think people should only play a certain number of games in a row. Tass should sit out of the next one (maybe be mod, I dunno) so that others get a chance to play. And I don't see a problem with Kefit not wanting to play anymore at that point. The humans were screwed at that point, pretty much, and all the humans were pretty much tired of playing the game. I don't think Tass can rightfully blame Kefit for it all, because nobody else did any better.

**GuidoHunter** · 12-17-2004, 02:33 PM

Oh, give it a rest, flypie. That business won't happen again (right?), so there's no reason to keep perfectly legitimate players out of the game, regardless as well of how much they win.

I'm not too sad that I wasn't in this game. I became rather disillusioned after last game, and when I found out that this game was going to be just like the last, I just didn't care. TWG VII needs to have a much different setup That means, at the very least, getting rid of two roles that we usually have and putting in others. A gametype change wouldn't be bad, either, but the bottom line is that the games are getting stagnant.

I vote for blah to mod the next one.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

**emccky** · 12-17-2004, 02:33 PM

I'm getting into the next one..

TWG VI - Post Game

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