TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

[gold stinger]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

Goldstinger, what did you learn?

I learned that sunfan ruined town and also dead town reinforced the ruination.

Sorry WV didn't sit right with me I guess? I asked Soundwave more than once if he had any deets on a better lynch than WV / rb and got no response.

There was also no real conversation about sunfan's item other than 'WV can confirm he's town because vice versa' and 'sunfan needs item to win game'.

Obviously the thought of the bad came before the afterthought of the resolution with the shot, and the same went through Xel's head in the same scenario.

[roundbox]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

So yeah, how do you all feel about this? Has anyone else isod FFA and found anything to share?

[Not devonin]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

Good point.

I make no claim other than I did not receive the pm.

I don't really have the time to theory craft rn.

I just find it suspicious. Either you're lying about not getting the PM, or Roundbox is lying about redirecting actions to you. I'm not sure what either of you would gain from that, but generally I'm going to assume the claim I have third-party confirmation for is more likely the correct one.

[gold stinger]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

My power is to redirect all actions on me to another player if I so choose

Anything that was used on me (items, kills, powers) last night was instead used on Soundwave.

That, is overpowered as fuck.

[roundbox]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

I just want to make sure everyone knows that I have not read every single post in this game and in fact I am missing a lot of context for a lot of things namely whatever went on with haku/Soundwave and the random game show crap that people are talking about, as well as just not being up to date with wagons and people's reads and some of my reads are going to come across as uninformed cause of it

It's hard for me to care or be as invested in this game as is par for me but I'm still putting in effort and it's not like my slot is unreadable or anything remotely like that so I really would appreciate if people cut the crap about that thanks. Daikyi is borderline obsessed with me (understandable, I'm amazing) but it's not remotely helpful and if he doesn't cut it out I'm worried it's just something that he's gonna use as a scapegoat for all kinds of things (will he call this point out as stupid? I don't doubt it) come late game.

Moving on.

This is the first time I've seen devonin play twg and it's like, interesting I guess someone pointed out his focus on mechanics and I dont know why that's the case but it isn't going to get you very far especially in a game with so many hidden elements like this. It's easy to misinterpret the mechanics behind an end result and if you rely on it to solve you will probably get burned. I have seen in some of devonins posts a kind of eagerness to solve though and it especially shined through in that point he made about wanting to hide info from wolves, so overall pretty confident town read on devonin

I am still assuming sharkfan is town but there are a few issues with that, his read list like I mentioned isn't what i expect from a sunfan who just dunked a wolf d1, point about being lost is fair but I haven't really bothered to consider how that knowledge actually changes the wagon's behavior. Some of his reads are quite bare as well when you compare the time he spent on dragonmega trying to get him lynched. Other reads that fall into this category include funnier and svaz

Speaking of svaz I entirely disagree with sunfans analysis, she had great posts in the manhunt (well, it looked like she had a towny thought process and was just arriving at wrong conclusions) and so I don't see "oh she is making actual posts she is town" as a read that anyone can fairly make. Her use of the word "bus" was unnerving and then instead of saying "I meant wagon" or something which I expected she doubled down on it then even brought gs into it while giving an overly verbose explanation. Her behavior today just doesn't sit well with me at all.

My gs read is a bit tempered now by the fact that apparently changes are noted in bright yellow so it isn't actually that hard to figure out what's different if you know what you're looking for. He's still a major wolf read for me because when he isn't spamming he really does sound like he knows what he's talking about and in the jtwg had I been playing I definitely would have been willing to sheep him, here not remotely feeling the same way and that's bad.

I have a singleminded wolf read on shadowgod because I do think his play this game is identical to the jtwg or at least identical enough to start identifying a pattern in behavior. Sharkfan says he's playing different and that's something that pings me wrt sharkfan.

I haven't bothered reading storn at all but he has me in his wolf reads iirc. Not surprising in the slightest, I think he's always sucked at reading me specially if you look at ltwg. I'll bother solving storn later, this game is 20 players after all I don't need to solve everyone day 2

Nothing dafty has said is game related so I officially need to give a NAI read on the slot, but I think were he a wolf he would be getting coached in wolfchat and being told to give content, I consider that a little on the angleshooty side and I don't often see wolfchat reads pan out.

I think Soundwave alignment can be figured out by going back and looking at his interactions with haku, again I haven't had the pleasure of reading any of it. It's baseline suspicious that he claimed not to have been given an item but without knowing what the item does you can't really read into that. He's a null for me.

Antori claimed to be 3p? If his wincon doesn't override town's I think he is trying to play as towny as he can. I really really disagree with everyone who wants to kill him. We can get antori to cooperate imo. In my mind it's apparent he isn't a wolf at the very least and it makes me suspicious of the people who are trying to paint him as a wolf (because it feels like extra justification for a lynch that townies wouldn't need to justify themselves on) like goldstinger.

I trust haku completely

Funnygurl trusts me but in a previous game she immediately town read me and like she already mentioned I wolf read her for it because it is unnerving to be town read that quickly. To make things worse before calling it a soul read she tried to justify it by linking games where I was town and she linked a game that I didn't even play in. It looked really bad for her. Now I'm realizing that it's more of a different strategy and part of the town read is also a "I want to be town with you" which clearly means she's town. I think she's also willing to drop the town read if she needs to after the game where sunfan got red checked. Tldr funnygurl isn't stupid and she knows what she's doing this game, flak isn't warranted.

Funnier is still a wolf to me atm, his low post count isn't quite a dead giveaway because new place but his interactions even with the people he knows doesn't feel quite right, like iirc he was like "fg you're breaking my heart" or something and he's on record for hating appeal to emotion so it's just little quirks like that that are adding up to the wolf read. It's also worth noting that in my entire zd career i have correctly read funniers alignment 0 times, but I try to break the streak anyway instead of wifoming myself. This wallpost is for you bb

Gradiant made a post about lynchers and jesters that pinged me and I'm giving him a neutral 3p read for it, kind of like the elementary sk read. This read is hot and spicy and I won't be surprised if it's right.

Roundbox had a bunch of really towny posts probably over 50 pages ago that I have long since erased from memory but I have a good meta read on roundbox anyway that I'll break out if need be.

Last time I played with daikyi he tunneled me and I figured he had to be a wolf because like why else would he try to lynch someone who was so blatantly town and the answer is it's because he's actually just a terrible person so I'm glad that's solved and I'd prefer it if he never spoke to or at me again without it being game relevant reasons, it's very obnoxious to be tunneled by someone who doesn't care about the game. If he keeps talking about me he's probably a wolf and using it as an outlet, he seems to smart to actually be this hung up over me

I have never in the past been let down by town reading xel and the only wolf game I remember from him was way back when he was using the Wendy's avatar for the very first time. Sunfan can make fun of me for tone reads if he wants but xel sounds towny thanks for coming to my ted talk.

It's possible I'm missing exactly one person in this read list and that would be funny but the rest of it was off the top of my head

Wayward
Yes
I remembered

Wayward is wolfy but not a wolf with gs, I believe that much.
There are a lot of associations I have (like above) that just don't work in a one team world and since multiball seems like a pretty likely conclusion my individual tone and behavior reads support that conclusion pretty strongly. Nothing that was revealed in dragonmega's flip implied it, but there was still a few hidden spots iirc. I'm not sure if there is a way to determine whether multiple teams are present or not but I'm not gonna back down from lynching someone if they were gunning for a wolf (this includes sharkfan). Multiple wolf teams cleans up my reads a bit, making gs and wayward both antitown and sunfan antitown as well. It also gives like, a point of inception to gs wolf read of antori if the wolf teams do know there's another team. The individual reads on players make more sense to me if there is a second team but I dunno how to figure that out unless we lynch like both gs and wayward

Discussion about dragon wagon seems fairly normal and probably accurate, either unintentional bussing or the potential second wolf team. Antoris choice of nightkill seemed reasonable to me and I'm assuming he's telling the truth about believing Raeko was a pro town shot. I think he would keep shooting pro town in the future, honestly. There's already 4 or 5 people reading this prepping their monocle about to cite the Big Book Of Proper TWG and I am saying the book is wrong.

Overall out of my handful of wolf reads I probably hit half the wolves or more, and the ones I missed are like in sharkfan/Soundwave/storn/dafty

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Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

That, is overpowered as fuck.

Yeah, well, I did it

[gold stinger]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

That, is overpowered as fuck.

You know what, that's so overpowered that it might not be overpowered if this is correct. Get tunneled br0

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are you angry yet

[roundbox]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

You know what, that's so overpowered that it might not be overpowered if this is correct. Get tunneled br0

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are you angry yet

What are you even doing right now

[gold stinger]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

What are you even doing right now

playing TWG

[roundbox]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

playing TWG

What's your basis for voting me? Because you think my power is wacky?

[gold stinger]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

You think Xiz is going to put town-aligned infinite bulletproof +anything else in his TWG game when protective roles are like this?

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Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

Fwiw I'm not taking your vote seriously at all
Is this an actual conviction you have or are you just going for a reaction here?

[Gradiant]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

if that's a oneshot, it's believable

[roundbox]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

You think Xiz is going to put town-aligned infinite bulletproof +anything else in his TWG game when protective roles are like this?

I never said I could use it more than once

[gold stinger]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

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