TWG CLXXIX: The Third FE Mystery Game Game Thread

[MixMasterLar]

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A lot of people are liking yoshl and not me, why are you the inverse? (You explained but I'm lazy and maybe you can say more because you're really insistent)

Because he's acting out of character, I don't like his points against Adam and found them extremely lazy as if he didn't want that plan to work but really hadn't had the time of day to figure out a strong reason why it wouldn't, and his interactions with me did not make me feel better---refer to the "braindead" thing, I just felt like he was trying to pacify me in the worst ways.

Meanwhile you're just always kind of null to me on d0, but your stated laziness is dishearting. Pages 20-35(?) are worth re-reading to get a better sense of what I'm talking about with YoshL.



Oh hey Manti's already responded neato.

Ignores my point about the missing links in his thought process

Did not; I already pointed out you made shit up

Gets irrationally angry about being called out for it

Ain't nobody here thinks I'm close to be as angry as youre trying to spin it

Attacks me instead of my argument

Get a better argument if you want more comentary on it? But please gove credit where it's do I did attack your shitty "you totally said this" retort

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Lynch the wolf. Ez pz.

To quote someone somewhere, There's no way I will be lynched. Come on.

[FreezinIce]

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To quote someone somewhere, There's no way I will be lynched. Come on.

mml

Oh

[MixMasterLar]

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Kind of, the new response is now I'm finding you concerning. You didn't answer how I thought you would.

I'm with Manti on this one, MML. That's not a good look for you if I'm agreeing with someone that hasn't done much of anything besides calling you a wolf, lol.

You could like explain your flip flopiness for me so I can feel like maybe you actually had a point, because last I checked this wasn't your stance on our interactions.

So tell the class, how should I have responded? Why does this paint me concerning? What's not a good look? What do you agree with Manti about that you clearly didn't before?

[FreezinIce]

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Don't forget your just one man. And you tried to pop off at the worst time (d0) when most people are on the table and wolf voting power is at its weakest.

Your bad I guess

[FreezinIce]

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I still don't like zenith but I like mml less.

[MixMasterLar]

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Nothing that Freezin wants to play at this as well, but I don't think that fact is going to be important until next day phase for reasons that half of you have probably already figured out. The fact that he hasn't, or at least is pretending he hasn't, needs to be remembered.

Otherwise Freezin you do you

[MixMasterLar]

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Noting*, not nothing

[Precarious]

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TWGma ISO

This is a playstyle I like in the game, but have trouble reading. There's a good mix of extraneous/conversational/off-topic stuff mixed with a lot of game-relevant material.

Either way, as soon as you say "ask me anything" that fires off a ton of wolf alarms in my head.
Mainly because if there's something that you tripped up on, and people bring it up to you, it's a great way for you to backtrack to make yourself seem more towny AND contribute, while also taking away time spent looking at other people.

tl;dr This is TWG, not Reddit. AMA bad.

I'm not sure if I'm convinced by this logic, probably because I can't follow it fully. People challenge each other all the time; bringing up something you've tripped over is to be expected. Having said this, it still reads kind of towny to me, because it's a convoluted enough read that it feels genuine.

AMA alarms are ringing again...

[...]

I might be forgetting if FFA is previously reading Charu as a wolf for anything, but if this is a legit snap vote for Charu not wanting to take his vote off Adam despite

then that vote is terrible.

[...]

If I can add on to this, Adam also encouraged the thread to ask him any questions about his logic behind waifu vote, and other things. Yet, as Cel said, question him wrongly - or disagree - and it was immediate Jekyll to Hyde. Definitely something to consider.



Distance points are a thing, and there has been some defense of him earlier in the thread. It seems to be a pretty unified front that he's been a cancer to the game (to quote Jteh) so, as a wolf, why would you not want to be on board with that and attempt to gain town cred?


End of page 48.

I edited a couple one or two word responses out of this post (the [...] sections); refer to the link obviously for the context of TWGma's responses. That's almost secondary to me here, though, because I find the nature of the post itself interesting. TWGma's kind of bounced around; there's been a mix of game stuff and casual stuff, but this covered a lot of territory at once. I like the post though, because the content generally makes sense in context, but more importantly it feels like a real effort to step things up.

Lawyer? For those of us unfamiliar with the role, clarification would be awesome.
Also, I wonder if wolves have a character-killing power similar to Xiz and his person-behind-the-anon-account kill ability in the last anon game...




That doesn't change alignment, though. Only what you're seered as. Miller is a possibility for sure.


[...]

Another post in the same vein as above, but less concrete content. But again, I like the takes on a bunch of posts. Taken together, I feel I can get a better sense of where they're leading.

Do you think Charu is trying to pocket jessiebessie?
What about it do you not like?

tl;dr you're reading Charu wolf. What about zenith's slot?
Wrere you voting for adam due to wolfiness or due to unpleasantness?

Aight, so do you feel Charu and adam/Zenith are wolf partners after the Charu vote on the slot that you initially voted him for, before snapping over to Zenith?

One thing that's interesting to me is that a lot TWGma's responses/counters/follow-ups are in the form of questions. I'm not sure that's alignment indicative on its own—but I'd be interested if anyone more familiar with his meta can link that to past town or scum games.

Anyone familiar with my reads (here or elsewhere) has probably seen me make a sort of implied distinction between pro-town and town, and anti-town and wolf. TWGma is pro-town, but it's possible to affect a pro-town style while being a wolf, and vice versa. And one of my biggest weaknesses is reading pro-town players as town regardless (although I suspect that's a common failing). But I can't see TWGma as a pro-town wolf here. There's a good mix of thought, interaction, theorycrafting, and offtopic conversation that I feel is hard to imitate scum-sided. Town lean.

[_Zenith_]

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I still don't like zenith but I like mml less.

I'm the better replacement, fight me.

[_Zenith_]

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Xiz - Slight town read

So imma be that guy and say I don’t really wanna coordinate my waifu.

In the post it says that the waifu event has no relation to other events, but it doesn’t say it has relation to the game, of what it could mean.

Unless I’m seriously missing something I’m skeptical of people who wanna control the voting of the waifus. It says one winner, so my initial thought is this voting can be abused

I’m gonna do my own thing for meow

I guess I like yoshl and Raeko in response to that is what I’m saying

I appreciate going outside of the direction and having replied to Charu stating you believed there was deeper meaning behind the waifus at that time. I'm unsure if a wolf would risk being noticed by this opposition.

You could be right. But like, you gotta admit it's totally possible for there to be a role thats something like, any events if you do something like guess correctly how someone votes can grant you an additional killing / power of some sort.

But who knows

There could be a role thats amazing for town, guess the order of the top three or something and gain a free cop check or something.

Or none of this is right. Im currently alligned to it being more harmful to coordinate then beneficial

Further on the theorycrafting behind the event, see my point above. I think it follows.

But imma 2nd yoshl, I don't really wanna talk about this anymore. Unless someone hits me with the dank strat that can prove me wrong im out.

Oh. That was fast. Understandable however.

I don't know if it does or not. I'm just tryin to figure this out mang. But w/e dropping it.

As fast as you brought it up was as fast as you dropped it. Interesting to note, don't recall this being indicative of anything meta-related to you, but whatever it has been dropped at this point.

I can guarantee that I will never say who I am voting for here. Even if you get literally everyone else in the game besides me. If I get night killed or something for it then so be it. Death by waifu isn't a bad way to go.

There's something unsettling about this post and I can't pin it on talking about getting night killed or the certainty of never revealing his vote although mentioning town can coordinate if they wanted to.

Manti would be posting more if he was a wolf imo, and he would care too much. I dislike it, but it is whast it is.

Also, let me be clear when I say this:

post count =/= alignment

like, sometimes its better to chime in only when needed, especially in game this size where if everyone talks too much, things can get lost and forgotten easily.

I agree with this post, especially the latter portion of it. This is a rather large game and one can assume anything about the wolves activity, but there are some things that are easily obscured especially when something like Spruce shop list is revealed and discussed. This is part of why I am gutreading Tokzic, the one aggressive interaction into nothingness is damning to me.

No it's not. Ive got a big town circle right now (yoshl, round, charu, cel, raeko, manti, dbp) and no good scum. So I'm rereading and trying to find who is posting not super aggressive stuff.

for clarity i'll go into my town:

yoshl: His early pressure on adam was similair to how yoshl and I fought before hand. Correct me if im wrong yoshl but like every time we have done so its always been like a town/town. yoshl's change to try to actually talk with adam is something I would have never expected (no offence) so like, if anyone doesn't see him being town here I dont know what to tell you

round: mind-meldy. I only started mindmelding him here:


charu: active, listening, thinking, talking. Adamant about his thoughts but willing to think differently (like the waifu thing)

Cel: interactions with adam. One of the weakest of my town reads currently. (ill go into this more next post one sec)

raeko: gonna sheep I think it was blind who said this, but the posts i feel like are moving the game on more then what a wolf raeko would do. Also, just looking at danganronpa comared to this, so far towny fmpov.

manti: Wolf manti cares too much too early from when Ive played with him as wolf. I probably wont be voting manti ever in a d0 from what Ive seen so far.

dbp: wolf

Xiz' reads at this point. Can't say I hate them but I don't necessarily agree with Manti and Round at the moment because they're still pretty null to me.

Im just assuming that the tiebreaker is private voting for a sec because thats where my mind went first:

lets say a bunch of wolves all bandwagoned and made it to the end, depending on who is left they can control who gets the item.

However, if wolves did their own thing then that could work. I guess it depends on if wolves would hide under dbp early or not.

There are posts like these about the waifu situation that I haven't read fully, but what I've noticed is that Xiz was keen of the waifu situation and in a way that seemed genuine and not a facade. It doesn't seem like he's fishing for anything by doing this but this led to some good interactions (Cel and Xiz here).

look, the fact that you stepped down and actually tried to work things out speaks volumes. I strongly believe you are town and really don't want you to afk as well.

I agree which is why I can see people leaning him as possible wolf, but I disagree with that view because the resolution of that interaction was pure as fuck and I have a town lean on Daikyi. Now that there's ongoing talks of his suspect possibility, I would like to hear why others are skeptical because this is a good point about Daikyi.

I find the theory portion of the iso weird about Xiz because of the flip flop and when Daikyi brought it up with him again he was kind of abrupt about stopping it there. However I find the individualism of Xiz about the waifu vote more of town mindset than a wolf right now. That's something that I personally would be skeptical about (being a clear opposition to a discussed action) but like I said I would doubt a wolf placing himself in a light of opposition like this. Nobody really questioned it either so you got the pass from others as well in that topic.

[Charu]

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You could like explain your flip flopiness for me so I can feel like maybe you actually had a point, because last I checked this wasn't your stance on our interactions.

So tell the class, how should I have responded? Why does this paint me concerning? What's not a good look? What do you agree with Manti about that you clearly didn't before?

I suppose that's fair.

See, I thought you were calling Manti a wolf because of the fact he wasn't doing anything and admitting he wasn't doing anything while telling others to look at the players that find him suspicious. Instead, you're calling him a wolf because of some apparent meta and apparently OMGUS stuff.

Are you a wolf due to this? I think it's concerning (so you can interpret that as a light "yes"), but that's about it. Would I vote you this phase? Probably if I'm presented with a choice of votes to make that have you included in it.

I liked your pevious posts, but you're accusations to Manti right now are not so hot.

[Celirra]

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I have not been very vocal about it, but I'm also wary of YoshL. I have him marked down as possible scum actually.

Can you explain why

[MixMasterLar]

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I suppose that's fair.

See, I thought you were calling Manti a wolf because of the fact he wasn't doing anything and admitting he wasn't doing anything while telling others to look at the players that find him suspicious. Instead, you're calling him a wolf because of some apparent meta and apparently OMGUS stuff.

Are you a wolf due to this? I think it's concerning (so you can interpret that as a light "yes"), but that's about it. Would I vote you this phase? Probably if I'm presented with a choice of votes to make that have you included in it.

I liked your pevious posts, but you're accusations to Manti right now are not so hot.

I took him telling others to do work as shitposting and nothing more, it's 100% him not trying and wanting to just have enough presence that people remember seeing him without actually being here.

Now if you think that's pretty stupid and paints me bad, fair enough point although I obviously am going to disagree, and I don't understand how that somehow undoes all the post you do like but w/e. What I will call you out on is that OMGUS accusation you are tossing around: I made sure to let him respond and then see what he was going to do in thread before making my vote. You're thinking of Manti who gets called out and immediately fires a vote for it when you type OMGUS.

[MixMasterLar]

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I will add for your self esteem, Charu, that him telling others to do work he clearly wasn't is a pretty good point to make.

I just decided it wasn't worth making at the time and kiiiiiiiiiiiind still don't if that makes sense?

[FreezinIce]

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I'm the better replacement, fight me.

You can have that dubious title