TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

**AragakiAyase** · 12-10-2015, 08:50 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

forgot to make the rest of my post about roundbox/dlgn interactions, hold on

**rzr** · 12-10-2015, 08:56 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

1. roundbox - The only person I really think who is genuine. Initially I was concerned he wasn't trying as much as I expected, but mostly PMs and hiw test are what make me think he's town
2. botchi246 It's taken me some time to come around, but I guess I won't harp on him. He's responded well to interrogation
3. KirinoKousaka - I've already said this, if AA is a wolf we're all fucked. I trust him at this point. He's very responsive and asks lots of good questions.

So, that's my confident town pile. At least for now, and it sucks because I hear a lot of people have suspicions with roundbox. Moving on, I have little puzzle pieces to work with as far as the inactives go, which is why I can't make an informed decision. I don't even really think there is a certain wolf between storn and xel. But, there is, it's probably Xel. Xel has been mildy responsive in PM land and done extremely little ITT. Storn, on the other hand, simply doesn't give me a scummy vibe. Fair to say, this inactivity isn't in his meta imo. But neither have enough to say anything confidently.

4. storn42
5. XelNya

I think a dlgn/tokzic/DBP team is extremely possible. I had pretty good conversatins with both of them, in fact DBP was someone I trusted more than anyone until recently. I started thinking about some things, like roundbox trying to test us and the Ancient Archives closing that night. I think Tokzic and DBP would definitely be capable of creating a scheme to clear DBP. The only think that conflicts with this for me is he is acting in town interest and has been the whole game. If he's a wolf he's a very good one so far, but I am 99% sure they slipped up and that's what Xiz was trying to say.
Dlgn, though I am not as sure as I was, is still my next best idea. I want to compare the chats with dlgn/storn dlgn/Xel and DBP/storn DBP/xel. If the big elaborate plan I think tokzic/DBP/dlgn conconted is for some reason not true, I don't think DBZP/dlgn is as likely, in fact not at all. Id DBP flipped wolf I would love to know why he was so adamant at clearing dlgn, and vice versa.
6. dLGN
2. dabackpack

All in all, DBP is a good place to start.

**rzr** · 12-10-2015, 09:01 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

Originally posted by rzr

1. Roundbox

Code:

rzr [3:02 PM] 
yoo

roundbox [3:07 PM] 
oy

[3:07] 
you messaged me before I even came on

rzr [3:09 PM] 
Yeah I dn't got a bunch of tie left at work so I'm tryna play my part haha

[3:09] 
what you up to brotha

roundbox [3:10 PM] 
playing some vanilla wow with some friends

[3:10] 
thinking about where to hide for tonight

[3:10] 
I think I'm just gonna random.org it

rzr [3:12 PM] 
Probably in our best interest at least. I haven't decided either - I hate how "looming" it is lol

[3:12] 
What do you think about all this xiz talk?

roundbox [3:14 PM] 
I can't pin an alignment on it

[3:16] 
xiz is known for doing silly stuff like this

[3:16] 
regardless of role

rzr [3:17 PM] 
It's like charu without the personality lol

[3:17] 
that was mean haha my b

[3:17] 
Okay tho, but what about Xel?

roundbox [3:17 PM] 
I'm liking him this game

[3:17] 
I had a pm with him when he was on once

[3:18] 
he didn't seem to be holding naything back

[3:18] 
he talked a bunch about charu

rzr [3:18 PM] 
In chat right?

[3:18] 
I might have missed some stuff in thread

roundbox [3:18 PM] 
with me

rzr [3:18 PM] 
Same

[3:19] 
Which brings me back around

[3:19] 
to AA

[3:19] 
I asked this questin to dlgn:

[3:19] 
Do you find it odd that AA was SOOO defensive when calledout last game
And I don't see that hostility when called out this game

[3:19] 
maybe trying harder to keep his cool to not blow cover

[3:20] 
other than that and the Xiz defending, AA is one of my top town reads

roundbox [3:20 PM] 
hm

[3:20] 
I guess that's true

[3:20] 
he did ask me this question

[3:20] 
aragakiayase [10:48 PM] 
I see

[10:48] 
what do you think of me switching onto dbp? because it's clearly controversial

[3:21] 
seems odd for him to point out something I had not paid attention to at all

[3:21] 
struck me as a little paranoid

rzr [3:22 PM] 
For AA that is weird. If dlgn or myself did that I wouldn't see much into it. 
I think we should try to bait him

[3:23] 
I really like keeping him in my town pile, but a player like AA would probably take the game as scum

roundbox [3:23 PM] 
he hasn't had much scum practice

[3:24] 
bait him how?

[3:24] 
I've already set up a little bait with him in a way

[3:25] 
I told him I was hiding in the Space Space tonight

rzr [3:28 PM] 
We would have to assume he'd want to target you

roundbox [3:28 PM] 
why's that?

rzr [3:28 PM] 
I'm not sure how to bait - I'm not good at it. But I think we need to see something from him to lean him on the scum side.

[3:29] 
Well if you go to space and they freeze space and we "think" he was targetting you then that bait would work. Otherwise, it's a shot in the dark right?

roundbox [3:29 PM] 
oh

[3:29] 
I thought you were saying he was doing that in general

rzr [3:29 PM] 
Nah

[3:30] 
But what'd you think of this post

[3:30] 
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4381571&postcount=782
FlashFlashRevolution Rhythm Game site forum. The perfect community for rhythm game and music lovers.

[3:30] 
I don't see it coming from a wolf - that's a lot of effort that I kow I wouldn't put in if I was scum

roundbox [3:31 PM] 
I wouldn't say that

[3:31] 
I put plenty of effort in the game regardless of alignment

[3:31] 
I don't think effort is alignment indicative of all players

[3:31] 
especially if you see it as a reflection of yourself

rzr [3:32 PM] 
tbh, I didn't see you put much effort in last game and that's why I'd pegged you. Originally I was getting the same vibe this game, but I think we've progressed from there

[3:32] 
And yeah, you're totally right, like Charu lol

roundbox [3:32 PM] 
uh

[3:32] 
I put a dicklaod of effort into last game

[3:32] 
I don't think |I changed anything

rzr [3:32 PM] 
Maybe I'm just perceptive :stuck_out_tongue:

[3:32] 
or blind haha

[3:32] 
No for last game lemme rephrase

roundbox [3:33 PM] 
I'm pretty sure other people would have noticed a difference too

[3:33] 
mostly plop

rzr [3:33 PM] 
I wish plo was in this game

[3:33] 
I like playing with him a lot he's smart, concise, and friendly lol

[3:33] 
Anywho

[3:34] 
I meant, from my eyes, as a wolf I watched you deduce the shit outta the game. In all forms, through many posts. In your wolf game, again IMO, yeah you did post and it was content worthy, but there was far less of it. I dunno, I'd like to think I have a good feeling on your wolfiness in general - but it all leads to me saying I think you're human at this point lol

roundbox [3:35 PM] 
I've only had one wolf game

[3:35] 
not sure how you've made a pattern otu of it

[3:36] 
and by "only had one wolf game"

[3:36] 
the other games I've played as wolf recently have been shitshows from all sides so those don't count

[3:36] 
either way

[3:36] 
I'm not hiding in Space Space

[3:36] 
gonna see if the AA bait works

rzr [3:39 PM] 
how's this for bait

[3:39] 
A few "confirmed" town claims to AA they're going to space

[3:39] 
maybe 3 or 4 total

roundbox [3:39 PM] 
nobody is confirmed at this point

rzr [3:39 PM] 
and nobody actually go, duh just spread out rng

[3:40] 
no I know

[3:40] 
but I mean like

[3:40] 
if we suspect AA

[3:40] 
then you could say

roundbox [3:40 PM] 
well

rzr [3:40 PM] 
me, you, dlgn and charu could claim space

roundbox [3:40 PM] 
he was a little weirded out by me telling him

rzr [3:40 PM] 
not go

roundbox [3:40 PM] 
I don't know if more people saying the same thing to him would be a good idea

rzr [3:40 PM] 
and if it freezes, hook line sinker

roundbox [3:40 PM] 
pretty sure he would pick up on bait after one or two more messages

rzr [3:40 PM] 
My onyl concern is that he won't take 1 seriously :confused:

[3:41] 
perhaps I can post it ITT

[3:41] 
I'm not trying to jump on your plan, I'm just trying to help lol

roundbox [3:41 PM] 
might be considered bait too

[3:41] 
it's all context

rzr [3:42 PM] 
And AA is not dumb

[3:42] 
hmm

[3:42] 
any suggestions?

[3:42] 
in general

roundbox [3:43 PM] 
idk

rzr [3:43 PM] 
me either - that's what I hate about this. It's all, literally, a shot in the dark

roundbox [3:44 PM] 
I think I might tell one or two other people I'm going to space space

[3:44] 
probably gonna hide in Dinosaur Den tho

rzr [3:45 PM] 
I had talked about a plan with one of the hobos that claimed. Not sure if it's gonna happen, if not I'm almost 100% using rng

roundbox [3:45 PM] 
recommend not hiding in space space

rzr [3:45 PM] 
whatchya think about V really using kidz zone?

roundbox [3:45 PM] 
he's a hard call this game

[3:45] 
one thing I didn't like about him thi sgame

[3:46] 
is how he was steering the lynch a little bit

[3:46] 
like

[3:46] 
I had a vote for dabackpack at EOD there

[3:46] 
he said it was garbage

[3:46] 
storn jumped on the dabackpack vote and suddenly the vote was now "legal"

[3:47] 
https://twig.slack.com/archives/freezewars/p1449369767005007

rzr [3:50 PM] 
Yeah I remember reading that last night when the "legal" votes wqere talked about. I still can't understand why Gradiant got lynched - what has he done lol. 
I'm gonna have to reevaluate AA and V
Also, after talking with Xel a bit just now, I'd put him in my town pile

[3:51] 
Leaving work so I'll be back in like a half

rzr [10:42 PM] 
so who did you tell you went to the archives to?

[10:43] 
seems lke that would be a good place to start

roundbox [10:46 PM] 
just dabackpack and tokzic

rzr [10:49 PM] 
did/do you trust dap?

roundbox [10:49 PM] 
not entirely

[10:49] 
sec

[10:50] 
roundbox [8:31 PM] 
I have a plan behind it to

[8:31] 
too*

[8:31] 
gonna message a bunch of people telling them I'm hiding in exhibit X and not to join me

[10:50] 
this is to tokzic

rzr [10:50 PM] 
interesting

roundbox [10:50 PM] 
roundbox [10:25 PM] 
progress on this

[10:26] 
I told AA I'm going to space space and Dabackpack I'm goingto Ancient Archives

tokzic [10:27 PM] 
lmao nice

roundbox [10:27 PM] 
gonna find 3 more people

[10:50] 
I didn't find 3 more people

[10:50] 
well

[10:50] 
I told you I was going to Dinosaur Den :dark_sunglasses:

rzr [10:51 PM] 
I thought you said you were going to space space

[10:51] 
lol

roundbox [10:51 PM] 
I told AA I was going to space space

rzr [10:51 PM] 
either way this throws a wrench in my thoughts

[10:52] 
dap/dlgn team doesn't sound too possible

[10:54] 
do you trust V?

[10:54] 
and still dlgn?

[10:54] 
also xiz

roundbox [10:55 PM] 
not sure about V

[10:55] 
dlgn is fine in my book

rzr [10:56 PM] 

rzr [10:55 PM] 
I imagine you believe tokzic's claim

[10:56] 
but what if he was scum and trying to get us all into the booth so they could freeze the main hall
I dont believe it, I just have to explore all possibilities

roundbox [10:56 PM] 
I believe it

rzr [10:57 PM] 
I do too

[10:57] 
do you believe botchi?

roundbox [10:57 PM] 
no sense in tinfoiling right now

[10:57] 
I Want to see storn/charu looked at htis phase

rzr [10:57 PM] 
hb xel?

roundbox [10:57 PM] 
he's fine

rzr [10:57 PM] 
I've talked to him provately and I liked his answers

[10:57] 
why?

roundbox [11:03 PM] 
https://twig.slack.com/archives/D0FSH1598/p1449460654000231
Eddie Nolanrzr
I've talked to him provately and I liked his answers
Dec 6th at 10:57 PM

[11:03] 
same reason as you

rzr [11:05 PM] 
I hope tokzic's plan was to have whoever if anyone seer dap

roundbox [11:05 PM] 
tokzic went in

[11:05] 
and seered dap

rzr [11:06 PM] 
I regret telling dap my plan then

[11:06] 
actually

[11:06] 
do you trust AA at all?

[11:06] 
I wanna tell you my plan but I wanna hear that first

roundbox [11:07 PM] 
not entirely

rzr [11:07 PM] 
dap/xiz

[11:07] 
hmm

[11:08] 
or dlgn/xiz (for me)

[11:08] 
more likely the former

rzr [11:13 PM] 
dap or xis today?

roundbox [11:13 PM] 
not dabackpack

[11:13] 
he was seered in an exhibit

[11:13] 
did you miss this detail?

rzr [11:13 PM] 
I did apparently

[11:14] 
I thought he was seered but we didn't know the result yet

roundbox [11:14 PM] 
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4381730&postcount=829
FlashFlashRevolution Rhythm Game site forum. The perfect community for rhythm game and music lovers.

rzr [11:14 PM] 
brings me back to AA I suppose if dap's cleared

[11:15] 
I thought dap just said that he was

[11:15] 
I guess that screws the pooch on your test pinning him

[11:19] 
xiz/AA/?

roundbox [11:19 PM] 
is there anything that links AA to xiz?

rzr [11:20 PM] 
not off the top of my head

[11:20] 
part of the reason I don't like the pairing here

roundbox [11:20 PM] 
they don't have to be paired to be wolves though

rzr [11:21 PM] 
I know - I just don't see acorrelation yet

[11:21] 
I am starting to think xiz would be good to lynch that way if he is scum we can stop following tokzic

[11:21] 
if he isn't we can move on

[11:21] 
is*

roundbox [11:29 PM] 
wow I thought the message you posted in general chat was our private chat

rzr [11:30 PM] 
which one lol

[11:30] 
I did that earlier too

roundbox [11:30 PM] 
rzr [10:27 PM] 
I imagine you trust tokzic at this point - I do too.

[10:27] 
but say xiz does flip as PR

[10:28] 
why should we lynch tokzic next and not you?

rzr [11:30 PM] 
oh haha

[11:30] 
well anyway

[11:30] 
what do you think about that questin

roundbox [11:32 PM] 
tokzic has more experience

[11:32] 
do you think botchi had the balls to fake claim in his first game?

[11:33] 
especially given the timing of his claim

[11:33] 
he did it early instead of under pressur eor something like that

rzr [11:33 PM] 
Everyone said balls - I don't think it's the right term. I think it's more of nerves - if it's possible

[11:33] 
And no

[11:33] 
dap is right

[11:33] 
xiz's claim is the only think keeping him alive right now

roundbox [11:35 PM] 
also just

[11:35] 
from his pov

[11:35] 
tokzic would be the one fake claiming

rzr [11:35 PM] 
botchi?

roundbox [11:36 PM] 
yes

rzr [11:36 PM] 
right

[11:37] 
I gotta clear up my thoughts at this point

rzr [11:49 PM] 
what'd ya think

roundbox [11:52 PM] 
you trust xel the least??

[11:52] 
https://twig.slack.com/archives/D0FSH1598/p1449460654000231

[11:52] 
??

rzr [11:54 PM] 
no xiz

[11:54] 
xel would be closest to the null end

roundbox [11:54 PM] 
ah

[11:54] 
read that wrong

rzr [11:58 PM] 
I hink I fixed it


----- December 7th -----
[12:03] 
do you think he was being overly opportunistic to jump on tokzic?

roundbox [12:04 AM] 
wat

rzr [12:05 AM] 
what? lol

[12:05] 
that was the whole point of my post

roundbox [12:05 AM] 
who was being overly opportunistic

[12:06] 
I must be missing something here

rzr [12:07 AM] 
AA

[12:07] 
sorry

roundbox [12:07 AM] 
no, not at all

[12:08] 
xiz's plays this game have been poor

rzr [12:08 AM] 
Do you trust AA at this point?

[12:08] 
I know I asked, I forgot

roundbox [12:08 AM] 
not entirely, no

[12:08] 
also I wouldn't hammer xiz right now

[12:09] 
solely for the fact that we've done nothing in terms of planning

rzr [12:09 AM] 
I don't wagon you know that

roundbox [12:09 AM] 
then why are you asking botchi

[12:09] 
https://twig.slack.com/archives/freezewars/p1449464864006468

rzr [12:09 AM] 
was he not on the wagon last night?

rzr [1:31 AM] 
So I'm pretty sold on xiz, I really hope that other PR isn't possibly hiding so I'm trusting tokzic. what do you think about seering the kidz zone?

roundbox [1:32 AM] 
you don't seer rooms

[1:32] 
you seer players

rzr [1:36 AM] 
well yeah my bad I meant is V worth seering in that scenario

[1:36] 
I think he's town

[1:36] 
so I guess it wouldn't be worth it

[1:36] 
but I'm just asking lol

roundbox [1:39 AM] 
eh

[1:39] 
I think it would be better spent elsewhere

rzr [1:40 AM] 
how bout charu

[1:40] 
him or AA

roundbox [1:40 AM] 
that's what I was thinking

rzr [1:40 AM] 
wb AA?

roundbox [1:40 AM] 
I would

rzr [1:41 AM] 
I'm looking into things with him - I'm on the fence with him atm but I don't think he's all that bad. I told dap I'd make a case or iso hiim tmrw.

rzr [1:54 AM] 
did I ask you where you hid last night?

roundbox [1:54 AM] 
nope

rzr [1:54 AM] 
I'm trying to put more people's spots together

roundbox [1:55 AM] 
it's a secret

rzr [1:55 AM] 
so we know what we're working with for n2

[1:55] 
was it a bathroom is all I really need to know

roundbox [1:55 AM] 
not bathrom


----- December 8th -----
rzr [10:47 AM] 
dlgn/xiz/vendetta

[10:47] 
tell me your thoughts on that

roundbox [12:58 PM] 
As a team? Plausible. The pieces are there for distancing but I'm not really feeling that as a team


----- Yesterday December 9th, 2015 -----
rzr [1:07 PM] 
so that really sucked

roundbox [1:09 PM] 
Yeah

[1:09] 
I feel like it's my fault

[1:12] 
I was stuck at a school sporting event so I couldn't Really do anything

rzr [1:24 PM] 
I feel you, I'm in training so even when I'm usually more free I've been busier

[1:24] 
But we gotta find a solid direction to go from here

[1:24] 
You think dap is scum now?

roundbox [1:50 PM] 
depending on tokzic's flip

[1:50] 
he is not a candidate for me at this moment

rzr [2:10 PM] 
But tokzic is the next target?

roundbox [2:11 PM] 
tokzic/botchi

[2:11] 
one of those two is the next lynch

[2:11] 
unless something damning comes from security camera

[2:12] 
I have time to chat now btw if you do

[2:12] 
I'm between classes

[2:12] 
gotta make some copies really quick, hold on

rzr [2:13 PM] 
I t5hink now is my best chance for chat it's kinda slow at work

[2:13] 
anyway

[2:13] 
I'm targetting botchi - he needs pressure and he should not be sliding n that newbie card

[2:13] 
I wanna push for more logs posted from the people he contacted, not from him

[2:14] 
And I think it's because part of me doesn't want to believe tokzic is scum, at that point we're a sunk ship I think. But also because botchi has inconsistancies mentioned by myself early in the game and others more tely

[2:14] 
lately*

roundbox [2:16 PM] 
hm

[2:17] 
I'm not gonna take empty votes tomorrow on either candidate

[2:17] 
as in

[2:17] 
just entering the thread and voting without explanation

[2:18] 
we might have some casualties tonight

[2:18] 
so everyone will need to speak pu

[2:18] 
up*

[2:18] 
what are your thoughts on AA helming the security camera tonight?

rzr [2:25 PM] 
I've contemplated it a lot (sorry I got a call)

roundbox [2:26 PM] 
no problem

rzr [2:26 PM] 
For me its either AA or dbp as a wolf - I'm more inclined to think dbp given the tokzic shit

[2:26] 
Which makes me more comforatble

[2:26] 
But personally I'd rather see V in there, he's the only person left that gives me the biggest town vibe

[2:27] 
Also, that all said, it's very hard for me not to trust dbp because again why would a wolf angleshoot?

[2:27] 
why would a wolf compare so many logs etc?

roundbox [2:27 PM] 
let's not angleshoot off of angleshoot

[2:27] 
also, as I mentioned earlier, wolves CAN be active and CAN compare so many logs

rzr [2:28 PM] 
I know, I've been trying to ignore it and also not talk about it, but that's something I obviously can't shake.

[2:28] 
Yeah that's my concern with 3 scum left

roundbox [2:28 PM] 
I'm not sure if it was me dreaming or something like that but I remember V saying something that really screamed townie to me

[2:28] 
like pushing him into 99% green status

rzr [2:30 PM] 
Well I was very skeptic on V at first, he was the only one in my town pile who could go either way. Then when I propsed the idea that tokzic is lying he was the only one that really tried to run with it

[2:31] 
and since the whole idea was a reaction test, I begun to think V was scum since I trusted tokzic

[2:31] 
azt this point, regardless of if I trust tokzic, V was the only person truly pushing a case for human cause - on both sides xiz and tokzic

[2:31] 
that is something I would trust town to do

[2:31] 
And quite frankly don't know why the wolves wouldn't try it earlier

[2:32] 
the more I think about it, the more sense it makes for botchi to be scum. I think if we're going to lynch between him and tokzic we should lynch botchi - even if he is town we have tokzic pinned, and either way he is contributing so very little

roundbox [2:33 PM] 
I think that's a good read on V

[2:33] 
on the tokzic/botchi lynch

[2:34] 
are you really focusing the lynch on botchi because he has little contribution?

rzr [2:34 PM] 
That is by no means the only reason why

[2:34] 
The statement is true  though

[2:34] 
I want to iso botchi and point out his incinsistencies

roundbox [2:35 PM] 
I can give you his log with me

[2:35] 
it will probably get you nowhere

[2:35] 
wow some of my log got deleted

[2:35] 
since we don't have slack premium

[2:36] 
http://pastebin.com/BjPJwBNc
Pastebin
botchi246 [12:01 AM]   does storn set off any alarms for you    roundbox [12:4 - Pastebin.com (8KB)


[2:36] 
his first question to me was about xiz

[2:36] 
it was around the same time you asked me about Xiz

rzr [2:43 PM] 
Interesting -- gimme a min to pull it up I had to place a ticket for customer. 
Fuck slack idk why this isn't all in QT or somethin


----- Today December 10th, 2015 -----
rzr [5:30 PM] 
I can't wait till your here

roundbox [5:33 PM] 
Why is that

[5:33] 
I am not sleeping quite yet

rzr [5:39 PM] 
Because you're the only person left I really trust much

[5:39] 
Besides AA kinda

[5:39] 
so I'm thinking dbp might be  scum - I came to this conclusion last night shooting the shit with my wife, terllin her bout the game and shuch

2.dabackpack

Code:

dabackpack [9:12 PM] 
heyhey

[9:15] 
I'll give you the dlgn chat for the gradiant chat

rzr [10:59 PM] 
did you get it??


----- December 5th -----
dabackpack [3:12 PM] 
I want it from you

rzr [3:13 PM] 
that's fine

[3:13] 
he said he sent it too

[3:13] 
where's yours?

[3:13] 
I'll send mine first

[3:13] 
talkin bout gradiant right?

dabackpack [3:13 PM] 
Let me get to a comp

rzr [3:14 PM] 
np

dabackpack [3:20 PM] 
http://pastebin.com/TUkkJDee
Pastebin
dlgn/dab - Pastebin.com (8KB)


rzr [3:23 PM] 
fun fact: calling him a spade was an insult lol

dabackpack [3:23 PM] 
oop

rzr [3:23 PM] 
Okay dap

[3:23] 
where do you stand on dlgn at this point?

dabackpack [3:24 PM] 
I have him at town

rzr [3:24 PM] 
still seems genuine to you?

dabackpack [3:25 PM] 
Yes

rzr [3:26 PM] 
I'm like locked on him and I can't find humanity in his posts so far
What do you think about him going in on Xiz?

dabackpack [3:32 PM] 
I had xiz on my radar too,but let's see

rzr [3:32 PM] 
I'm talkin to him lmk if you need anything

dabackpack [3:33 PM] 
I'll do it myself


----- December 6th -----
rzr [3:02 PM] 
yoo

dabackpack [4:48 PM] 
hey

rzr [9:55 PM] 
whatd you think about dlgn at this point

rzr [10:07 PM] 
and xiz

dabackpack [10:08 PM] 
dlgn is town in my eyes

[10:08] 
xiz like 95% scum

[10:08] 
you don't like dlgn this game still

[10:08] 
?

rzr [10:08 PM] 
nope

[10:09] 
not after your test

dabackpack [10:09 PM] 
my test?

rzr [10:09 PM] 
we can't get into it

[10:09] 
but I don't take his reactions seriously

[10:09] 
and he was much more of a leader

[10:09] 
I have a test for him

[10:10] 
but I'm not sure to use it on him or dlgn

[10:10] 
I mean AA

[10:10] 
sorry

dabackpack [10:10 PM] 
I'd guess AA

[10:10] 
I don't know what your test is

[10:10] 
but imo he's scummier

[10:10] 
your call

rzr [10:10 PM] 
I don't believe it but it crfossed my mind

[9:38] 
you and botchi are wolves

[9:38] 
I mean it obviously has to cross other p[eoples minds right

[9:38] 
so bare with me

[9:38] 
if you were

[9:38] 
as scum

[9:38] 
secretly having more and more people go to the booth and anticipate them to be booted to the main hall

[9:39] 
and instead, freeze the main hall

[9:39] 
now

[9:39] 
pause

[9:39] 
I think exposing this thought process to dlgn and watching hisa reactions (like with gradiant)

[9:39] 
we could pin him

[9:39] 
that's my "plan"

[9:39] 
if he jumps on it I'd say him and xis are scum

[10:10] 
keep that between us for now

dabackpack [10:11 PM] 
who was this to?

rzr [10:11 PM] 
tokzic

dabackpack [10:11 PM] 
ok

rzr [10:11 PM] 
I thought it was kinda obvi lol

[10:11] 
I also sent it to v

[10:11] 
and only v

[10:12] 
that's why it's in my ctrl+v

dabackpack [10:13 PM] 
not sure I get it but ok

[10:13] 
let me know what happens

rzr [10:15 PM] 
you don't get the plan in general?

dabackpack [10:19 PM] 
is the idea to catch him being opportunistic?

rzr [10:20 PM] 
indeed, moreso just a reaction test

dabackpack [10:22 PM] 
ok

rzr [10:22 PM] 
swell

[10:22] 
so

[10:22] 
anyway??

dabackpack [10:23 PM] 
?

rzr [10:26 PM] 
idk lol where you at

[10:26] 
who do you think is with xiz?

dabackpack [10:28 PM] 
AA

rzr [10:30 PM] 
who else?

rzr [10:39 PM] 
what'd you think about roundbox

[10:41] 
specifically his test

dabackpack [10:44 PM] 
I'm not sure

[10:44] 
will wait for what he says

rzr [10:49 PM] 
did he tell you where he was going?

[10:52] 
do you think if roundbox wasa a pr he would claim?

dabackpack [11:05 PM] 
he told me he was going to the ancient archives

[11:05] 
and yes I do

[11:05] 
especially since there are 3 claims out

rzr [11:06 PM] 
I'm more convinced of round now

dabackpack [11:07 PM] 
as what?

rzr [11:07 PM] 
town

dabackpack [11:07 PM] 
k

rzr [11:07 PM] 
his plan doesn't seem scum motivated

[11:07] 
k?

dabackpack [11:15 PM] 
yes

[11:15] 
k

rzr [11:16 PM] 
well anyway

[11:16] 
so apparently you're cleared and I missed that

[11:16] 
which puts me back at AA

[11:16] 
AA/dlgn possibly

[11:16] 
and xiz?

dabackpack [11:16 PM] 
xiz is really the key to all of this atm

rzr [11:18 PM] 
what does him being scum reveal?
I only ask this because I want to know what to ask him to get more info

[11:19] 
so I used my plan on AA and I'm curious his reactions

dabackpack [11:20 PM] 
learn about AA, V, tokzic, and botchi

[11:20] 
and me I guess

[11:20] 
-maybe- reoundbox

rzr [11:20 PM] 
I'm under the impression you're cleared

[11:20] 
as long as tokzic isn't a wolf

rzr [11:34 PM] 
in regards to my reactin test

[11:34] 
I will post with AA

rzr [11:48 PM] 
what'd you think

dabackpack [11:51 PM] 
I mean I guess a tokzic/botchi pairing is possible

[11:52] 
I'm just really confused right now

rzr [11:53 PM] 
nonono

[11:53] 
ignore that

[11:54] 
look at AA's reaction to the test


----- December 7th -----
dabackpack [12:03 AM] 
sorry I don't think I get it

rzr [12:05 AM] 
do you think he was overly opportunistic?

dabackpack [12:05 AM] 
in your PM logs?

[12:06] 
oh

rzr [12:07 AM] 
yeah

[12:07] 
sorry

dabackpack [12:08 AM] 
it looked like he was skeptical at first

[12:08] 
and then had some realization

rzr [12:09 AM] 
I agree and I'm starting to think we might be chasing our tails

dabackpack [12:10 AM] 
some word of god information would be really useful right now

[12:11] 
all this reasoning is on a house of cards

rzr [1:22 AM] 
Do you think the wolves are smart this game?

dabackpack [1:23 AM] 
No

[1:24] 
I think they fucked up

rzr [1:24 AM] 
I'm looking at my player list

dabackpack [1:24 AM] 
Because of the shitstorm that is happening

rzr [1:25 AM] 
and disregarding inactives I keep coming back to AA. I kinda wanna look into some things on him, but I'm not sure if it's worth it
or at least not till the mornign lol

dabackpack [1:25 AM] 
Well I mean they might be smart, but not playing well

[1:25] 
Right

[1:26] 
AA seemed disappointed when V cleared dlgn

[1:27] 
I don't want to go down that path though

[1:28] 
Want to avoid dangerous angleshooty territory

rzr [1:28 AM] 
especially you at this point, yes

[1:28] 
strictly speaking I think they would be a terrifying team

[1:29] 
but I don't think they are. I remember telling roundbox of some things I thought about with AA's reactions to being called out earlier

[1:30] 
something along the lines of "as one of the last town previous game AA was very aggressive and defensive when called out, but this game he seemed different - withdrawn possibly

dabackpack [1:31 AM] 
Hmm

[1:31] 
I see

rzr [1:31 AM] 
I'd have to dig up logs and such which I don't wanna do right now I'm tired and hungry lol

[1:32] 
but I said I would tomorrow

dabackpack [1:32 AM] 
Right

rzr [1:32 AM] 
I am interested in the idea of seering the kidz zone

dabackpack [1:32 AM] 
Storn might know something

[1:32] 
Asking him

dabackpack [1:42 AM] 
OH SHIT

[1:42] 
OH SHIT

[1:42] 
OH SHIT

rzr [1:42 AM] 
???

[1:43] 
lol I feel like you're writing a post

dabackpack [1:43 AM] 
AAAAAAAAAAAa

[1:44] 
SHIT'S ABOUT TO GO DOWN

rzr [1:44 AM] 
uh oh haha

[1:44] 
good

[1:44] 
we need something

dabackpack [1:44 AM] 
a post should appear in thread

[1:44] 
oh shit man

[1:45] 
based storn

[1:45] 
making things easier for us

rzr [1:45 AM] 
I wasn't aware of him being behind the scenes this game lol

dabackpack [1:45 AM] 
he's not

[1:46] 
you'll see

[1:46] 
he needs to say it

rzr [1:46 AM] 
ahh okeyy

dabackpack [1:46 AM] 
I think he's about to make a massive lie

[1:46] 
but basically

[1:46] 
well

rzr [1:47 AM] 
you can hold on to it till it gets posted if you want

dabackpack [1:47 AM] 
fuck

[1:47] 
it's there

rzr [1:48 AM] 
ah

[1:48] 
do you think V lied?

dabackpack [1:48 AM] 
storn told me he hid in the kidz room

[1:48] 
but he just wanted to gauge my reaction

[1:49] 
apparently

rzr [1:49 AM] 
you should have fed him a little more

[1:49] 
just a tad lol

dabackpack [1:49 AM] 
ugh

rzr [1:51 AM] 
I dunnno how you guys think of those moves lol

dabackpack [1:51 AM] 
I thought storn was softing that he knew V was lying about the kidz room

[1:51] 
so I asked him

[1:51] 
(idk why he wouldn't just say it, in retrospect)

rzr [1:52 AM] 
ahh

[1:52] 
I told V I wanna know where more people his last night so we know what we're working with

dabackpack [10:06 PM] 
I think xiz/aa/roundbox if xiz flips red


----- Yesterday December 9th, 2015 -----
rzr [1:24 PM] 
Well since he didn't what are we thinkning?

dabackpack [5:20 PM] 
Most likely tokzic

[5:20] 
But idk

dabackpack [8:20 PM] 
Is everything ok?


----- Today December 10th, 2015 -----
rzr [5:30 PM] 
Hey

[5:30] 
Yeah I'm all good

dabackpack [6:45 PM] 
OK just checking

rzr [6:47 PM] 
Thank pimp. So what you up to? Hunting scummmms?

dabackpack [7:45 PM] 
Waiting for Xel

rzr [10:10 PM] 
what's th eppintin waiting he's nevver around till like 3am haha

3.Gradiant - Human, Lynched Day 1

Code:

It won't let me retrieve them on this laptop for some reason, I'll post tomorrow at work

4.KirinoKousaka

Code:

rzr [1:12 PM] 
so do people just think dlgn is town now?

aragakiayase [1:13 PM] 
i guess? i have no idea

[1:13] 
he still thinks he's town leader and that's laughable

rzr [1:14 PM] 
I have no idea why he would even have started that in the first place. I just wish we had lynched him last phase - nothing personal I just still think he's a wolf. And I don't understand why everyone is humoring him lol

[1:14] 
Like - he's not even really trying - he's just calling people out

aragakiayase [1:15 PM] 
he's "scumhunting" but his reasoning is weak

[1:15] 
I stand by my townread on xiz

[1:16] 
playing with him is like playing with zenith and red blaster

[1:16] 
it sucks ass

[1:16] 
he's arrogant af

[1:16] 
i want him dead but I also want dbp dead

[1:16] 
like if xiz flips town

[1:17] 
i think dlgn/dbp need to die immediately

rzr [1:17 PM] 
I agreee - I was the first one to get caught in that argument-blackhole with him and that's why I've been turned off of this game quite a bit. There's nothing worse then saying the same thing over and over - and someone telling you that *you're* the idiot because *they* don't understand lol

aragakiayase [1:17 PM] 
V is almost certainly town but last game makes me nervous

[1:17] 
yeah exactly

rzr [1:17 PM] 
Yeah V is acting the way he did last game, but with a little more fervor I think

[1:17] 
what about

aragakiayase [1:17 PM] 
"i generally hate "one between xyz" statements.  there is really 0 reason to group the people as you did, as far as I know.  it's arbitrary and (usually) constructed/fabricated"

rzr [1:17 PM] 
roundbox

aragakiayase [1:18 PM] 
then clearly you didn't actually look at those people

[1:18] 
I'm not sure

rzr [1:18 PM] 
that's what I was saying about partners

aragakiayase [1:18 PM] 
I initially had him as scummy because I saw him as mostly filler and setup

[1:18] 
but supposedly he's been doing PM work

rzr [1:18 PM] 
which is apparently stupid and annoying lol

aragakiayase [1:18 PM] 
actually that's right

[1:18] 
dlgn was very against talking about partners

rzr [1:18 PM] 
(I'll come back to roundbox)

aragakiayase [1:18 PM] 
I'll look into that later

rzr [1:18 PM] 
Yeep

aragakiayase [1:18 PM] 
my read on round is not solid

[1:18] 
but I dislike dbp more

rzr [1:19 PM] 
I only ask because in my PM with round he adamantly defended dlgn

[1:19] 
Not like "hey stfu he's my best bud"

aragakiayase [1:19 PM] 
that's interesting

rzr [1:19 PM] 
but just repeatedly saying he town reads him

[1:19] 
so imo if dlgn is scum round is sold for me

aragakiayase [1:19 PM] 
that's what I've been doing with xiz

rzr [1:19 PM] 
?

aragakiayase [1:19 PM] 
hard defending him because i think he's town

[1:20] 
idgaf if it makes me look like shit

[1:20] 
although if he actually flips scum then it's been nice knowing you :joy:

rzr [2:01 PM] 
Haha - I'm concerned about you because I know you're smart and consistent. If you are scum I don't think we'll find out till it's too late. That said, I trust you.

[2:02] 
Also, if I understand tokzic's plan, he wants me to go into the booth tonight

aragakiayase [2:04 PM] 
Don't tell me that

[2:04] 
Keep room assignments secret

rzr [2:05 PM] 
I am only telling you that lol - esp nobody else

[2:05] 
Because I trust tokzic, at least for now

[2:05] 
and I don't know who else to talk to about that thought

[2:06] 
If it helps, he sent the msg after I had gone to bed so we haven't tlked about it at all

aragakiayase [2:06 PM] 
ok well don't tell me where you're hiding

[2:07] 
I don't like the strategizing

[2:07] 
if info gets into the wrong people's hands it'll be very ugly very fast

rzr [2:07 PM] 
That's why I don't like the idea of "following a plan"

[2:07] 
but the more I think about ut

[2:07] 
the more scary it is for everyone to do someting rng

[2:07] 
But who knows lol

aragakiayase [2:09 PM] 
The thing about assignments is it gives wolves choosing power

rzr [2:10 PM] 
That;s my thoughts exactly. I also don't like thye idea of hobo's claiming to anybody period

[2:10] 
I had a claim, not sure if it's legit or w/e

[2:11] 
But imo hobos should stay MIA until they get frozen. I'm not sure if it'd be good to have themclaim that fact or not tho

aragakiayase [2:12 PM] 
What do you mean you had a claim

rzr [2:16 PM] 
in the last 12 hours someone claimed hobo to me. I dont know why they did, I asked them "so hey are you a wolf" and they said "no I'm a hobo" lol

aragakiayase [2:17 PM] 
Wait what the fuck

[2:17] 
So 4 claims????

rzr [2:20 PM] 
I haven't caught up on who claimed what to whom

[2:20] 
it is very possible this person already claimed

[2:21] 
I just sent a PM, hopefully they'll respond soon. As long as I don't betray their trust I will say who/what

[2:21] 
Or also if you can update me on what I missed last night after eod I might be able to see it there and say oh yeah that's who claimed to me

aragakiayase [2:22 PM] 
Toxzic botchi xiz

rzr [2:22 PM] 
botchi

[2:23] 
I say lynch xiz at this point then, and if he flips town there is DEF w weolf between tok/botchi

[2:23] 
I only say that because

[2:24] 
after talking to tokzic I "relatively" trust him - up there with you for the most part

rzr [9:33 PM] 
hey

aragakiayase [9:35 PM] 
hi

rzr [9:41 PM] 
whats poppin!

[9:41] 
game's getting too interesting I'm hella nervous

aragakiayase [9:41 PM] 
I want to see if I dielol

rzr [9:42 PM] 
I know I'm just scared a bunch of people will all die since we're not more coordinAted

rzr [10:00 PM] 
I wanted to hear your thoughts on dlgn at this point

aragakiayase [10:01 PM] 
I have no idea at this point

[10:01] 
he's been controlling which I generally don't like

[10:01] 
he also lied

[10:01] 
but his questioning and pushing seems town

[10:01] 
so no idea

rzr [10:01 PM] 
I have an idea if I make it till tmrw

aragakiayase [10:01 PM] 
you did

[10:01] 
no one died

rzr [10:01 PM] 
to determine if he is one

[10:02] 
damn

[10:02] 
I was gonna go there too lol

[10:03] 
okay

[10:03] 
what about xiz

aragakiayase [10:04 PM] 
he's selfing now lol

[10:04] 
i think he's actually scum

rzr [10:05 PM] 
interesting

aragakiayase [10:05 PM] 
I don't see why he would behave like this atthis point if he's town

rzr [10:05 PM] 
trying to follow me and then dlgn who followed me too lol. only I don't think it's in his character

aragakiayase [10:05 PM] 
follow you?

rzr [10:06 PM] 
do you think I should test him or dlgn

aragakiayase [10:06 PM] 
what do you mean by follow you

rzr [10:08 PM] 
when I got irritated and said "I'm so confident dlgn is a wolf I'll vote for myself and when I flip human you guys better lynch him lol"

[10:08] 
then he did

[10:08] 
the exact same thng like the next day

[10:08] 
now xis wants to try it ay

aragakiayase [10:08 PM] 
what, self voting?

[10:09] 
they followed you on that?

rzr [10:10 PM] 
I mean voting for themselves

aragakiayase [10:10 PM] 
idk I think that comes from frustration or something

[10:10] 
not that they're following you in particular

rzr [10:11 PM] 
what do you think about a roundbox/dlgn/xiz team

[10:12] 
rather what do you think about this

[10:12] 
what if

[10:12] 
tokzic and botchi are the wolves

[10:12] 
and xis is actually pr

[10:12] 
and as scum

aragakiayase [10:13 PM] 
uhhhh why wouldn't the other PR have claimed then

rzr [10:13 PM] 
tokzic wanted to get more and more people into the booth at once to get them into the main hall then freeze the main hall

[10:13] 
obviously he wouldn't want to

aragakiayase [10:13 PM] 
but ancient archives were frozen?

rzr [10:13 PM] 
right

[10:13] 
cuz tokzic's plan was botched

[10:13] 
I don't believe this, but it has crossed my mind

aragakiayase [10:13 PM] 
botched how

[10:13] 
hold on

rzr [10:13 PM] 
because xiz said he was going to the booth

aragakiayase [10:13 PM] 
let's pretend that toxzic/botchi are wolves and xiz is town

[10:13] 
where is the 4th PR

rzr [10:13 PM] 
right

aragakiayase [10:14 PM] 
and why wouldn't the y claim

[10:14] 
then you catch 2 wolves

rzr [10:14 PM] 
perhaps because they would have to possibly sacrifice themself

[10:14] 
perhaps its a newer player

aragakiayase [10:14 PM] 
i guess? but that seems highly unlikely

rzr [10:14 PM] 
perhaps they don't trust themself to be able to convince town

[10:14] 
again

[10:14] 
I don't believe this

[10:14] 
but I must explore these possibilites

[10:15] 
before fully trusting tok

aragakiayase [10:15 PM] 
ok

[10:15] 
and what about toxzic's potential plan being ruined?

[10:15] 
when xiz wanted to go booth

[10:15] 
wouldn't that help more?

[10:15] 
if his goal was to get people bumped into main hall and then freeze

rzr [10:15 PM] 
it wouldn't help anyone be convinced of tokzic's claim to appear to allow xiz to do this

[10:16] 
he would have to be against it, to make look xiz look scummy

[10:16] 
which obviously we all were because xiz's plan was bad

aragakiayase [10:16 PM] 
ohhh

[10:16] 
that's interesting

[10:16] 
did toxzic tell you to go to the booth?

[10:17] 
because you implied it earlier but you ended up in dino den?

rzr [10:17 PM] 
he did, and afterwards we discussed things when xiz did what he did I was asked not to go

[10:18] 
so I didn't tell toxic where I was going, but I left the booth so to speak

aragakiayase [10:18 PM] 
I guess he ended up taking control

[10:18] 
toxzic

[10:18] 
because xiz was gonna fuck everything up

[10:18] 
random hiding worked out for the best

rzr [10:19 PM] 
indeed, I hope we don't screw it up like the pats when we got that fumble at the end of the game -_-

[10:19] 
all that said

aragakiayase [10:19 PM] 
lol...

rzr [10:19 PM] 
I think I wanna hear your thoughts on roundbox too

aragakiayase [10:20 PM] 
I said in main chat

[10:20] 
but read this

[10:20] 
http://pastebin.com/Gt84sw7a
Pastebin
roundbox [6:51 PM]   I guess this might be a faster format    [6:51]   or a - Pastebin.com (8KB)


[10:20] 
I feel like he's pocketing me

[10:20] 
all of a sudden talks about hiding (4 hours after everything)

[10:21] 
and reveals his hiding location

[10:21] 
then I ask why and he says "I don't suspect you"

[10:21] 
I don't recall him having any read on me earlier

[10:21] 
it seems very convenient

[10:21] 
and ????

rzr [10:21 PM] 
it is quite an interesting perspective to think roundbox's wolf game this time is more dominant

[10:21] 
but it would be a logical explanation

[10:22] 
??? what?

aragakiayase [10:22 PM] 
as in I'm confused

[10:22] 
but it seems very sketchy

rzr [10:22 PM] 
well here's my plan amigo

[10:23] 
I was hoping to get a scummy reaction from you just now

[10:23] 
I didn't

[10:23] 
I still stick by trusting you

[10:23] 
for now

[10:23] 
so

[10:23] 
I think xiz is a wolf

[10:23] 
and I think dlgn is a wolf

[10:24] 
roundbox defended dlgn long enough for me to think there's a possible team between them

aragakiayase [10:24 PM] 
is dlgn because of the self voting thing

[10:24] 
or is it because he's acted scummy

rzr [10:24 PM] 
after reading dap earler

[10:24] 
acting but lemme come back to that

[10:24] 
remind me

[10:24] 
so after reading dap ITT and public slack I trust him too

[10:25] 
where as before I thought it was AA/dap or dlgn/round

[10:25] 
then the xiz shit came into play

[10:25] 
so it becomes aa/dap/xiz or dlgn/roundbox/xiz

[10:25] 
now that you fall into my town pile and dap does too you see where I'm at

[10:26] 
anyway lemme go find the post

[10:26] 
but whatd you think

aragakiayase [10:27 PM] 
wait why would you group me and xiz with dbp

[10:27] 
he's been pressuring our pairing the most

rzr [10:31 PM] 
it's more of a 
xiz/dbp combo

[10:31] 
but I said that's where I WAS at

aragakiayase [10:32 PM] 
ok

[10:32] 
but why were you combining xiz and dbp in the first place?

rzr [10:36 PM] 
I don't think it was so much of a pair as them being wolves in general

[10:36] 
so

[10:36] 
there was nothing alignment indicative

aragakiayase [10:39 PM] 
what about storn/charu/xel

[10:39] 
do you think V is town?

rzr [10:39 PM] 
V town

[10:39] 
charu town

aragakiayase [10:39 PM] 
charu town why

rzr [10:39 PM] 
xel/storn I do not know, I have thought about it too

[10:40] 
he's not the wolf charu I knew at all

[10:40] 
he had a good plan at the start

[10:40] 
and he's more town oriented then I've seen him before

aragakiayase [10:40 PM] 
ok

[10:40] 
yeah I'm null on dlgn

rzr [10:40 PM] 
similar with V but I never seen his wolf game

aragakiayase [10:41 PM] 
and I don't like roundbox coming to me with his hiding place out of the blue

rzr [10:41 PM] 
I'm sold on dlgn/roundbox

aragakiayase [10:41 PM] 
and xiz?

rzr [10:42 PM] 
over tokzic yers

[10:42] 
over botchi, not so usre

[10:42] 
I didn't see the reveal

rzr [11:59 PM] 
talk to me


----- December 7th -----
aragakiayase [12:10 AM] 
what

[12:10] 
you're being stupid

aragakiayase [12:28 AM] 
ok

aragakiayase [12:42 AM] 
going to sleep if you want to talk we can do it tomorrow

rzr [1:22 AM] 
lol sorry I'm tryna do the same

rzr [1:54 AM] 
where did you hide last night?

aragakiayase [1:56 AM] 
Big bang burrows

[1:56] 
Ive said this in thread and slack

rzr [1:56 AM] 
Oh okay my bad

rzr [2:02 AM] 
I don't scum read storn but I could volunteer

aragakiayase [2:02 AM] 
to scumread him?

rzr [2:03 AM] 
oh I thought you meant to jump in the kidz zone

[2:03] 
and that's only if a majority are readinh im that way

[2:03] 
or perhaps dlgn

aragakiayase [2:03 AM] 
I don't understand

[2:03] 
you want to jump in the kids zone why

rzr [2:04 AM] 
I thought you were saying  that

[2:04] 
To test V

[2:04] 
meaning

aragakiayase [2:04 AM] 
well I'm saying someone could easily do that

rzr [2:04 AM] 
if he's scum and he stays there and I go in we both die we get a wolf

aragakiayase [2:04 AM] 
and if V is a wolf then rip

[2:04] 
and if V isn't actually hiding there then he's a wolf

rzr [2:04 AM] 
if he leaves and I go in we know he was bsing and is prob a wolf

aragakiayase [2:04 AM] 
but if he's town??

[2:04] 
then we probably lose 2 town

rzr [2:04 AM] 
yep

[2:04] 
that's why I said a mojority would need to support this

[2:05] 
and we could force a more suspected person to do this instead

[2:05] 
like charu or dlgn

[2:05] 
whos flip would still be beneficial/possibly

aragakiayase [2:05 AM] 
oh I see what you're saying

[2:05] 
I just thought of something interesting but very risky

rzr [2:05 AM] 
actually this isn't a bad idea

aragakiayase [2:05 AM] 
if we have some very strong scumreads but it's night

[2:05] 
send them into the kids zone lol

[2:05] 
of course that could potentially fuck us hard

rzr [2:09 AM] 
so say we do it with dlgn

[2:09] 
he already said he'd love to kamkaze lol

[2:11] 
say we go in the thread and propose the idea to have him go into the kidz zone and only if people really suspect vendetta. if dlgn comes out alive he either lied and didn't go in or V didn't wanna risk it as scum. Either way unless he's 100% dlgn's town he would have to go head to head with him in that situation.

either they're both town OR V leaves and he's busted OR they both die and we get 2 flips. If they're both scum I think neither would go

[2:12] 
alternatively we can tell V to get the hell out and do this to a more suspected group

aragakiayase [2:15 AM] 
yeah but I think the risk of nailing 2 town is high at the moment

[2:15] 
this was just a random thought

rzr [2:16 AM] 
But say xiz does for some miracle flip human, we could send tokzic and xxx in there or something

[2:16] 
idk lol

aragakiayase [2:17 AM] 
Yeah we could

aragakiayase [12:29 PM] 
what did you want to talk about


----- December 8th -----
rzr [10:22 AM] 
Do you think V is a wolf?

aragakiayase [11:08 AM] 
No


----- Yesterday December 9th, 2015 -----
rzr [1:07 PM] 
so that was really shitty huh

aragakiayase [1:07 PM] 
no one believed me

[1:07] 
thought I was scum

[1:07] 
and look what happened

aragakiayase [1:17 PM] 
If you don't want to lynch a hobo claim what do you want to do

rzr [1:17 PM] 
Well I'm trying to revaluate everything and have no clue where to start. Do you think it's tokzic?

aragakiayase [1:57 PM] 
I think it is but it depends on how this next night and day phase goes

[1:57] 
Because botchi seems to have some weird inconsistencies

[1:58] 
Like acts super confused in thread but not pm

[1:58] 
Justification was that he gets lost when multiple people start talking but idk

[1:58] 
Also he's not pushing his cc like I expected which is really weirf

rzr [2:11 PM] 
I agree whole heartdly on botchi - that's what I said about him/to him. He acts a lot more knowledable in PM land than ITT. I'm going after botchi I think the rest of you shoulkd target tokzic (maybe help me a little)

aragakiayase [2:12 PM] 
I mean both need to be pressured

rzr [2:15 PM] 
I agree, but I thinkn I have a leg up on tokzic. He thinks I fully trust him, and that is why I will milk him for alignment info, etc. But botchi I think has gone UTR way too long and has had little to no pressure applied to him to tell of his alignment

aragakiayase [4:11 PM] 
I don't like how botchi has been sheeping people

aragakiayase [4:20 PM] 
what was with pairing botchi/tokzic as wolves

[4:20] 
like I just don't see a scenario where that happens

aragakiayase [4:40 PM] 
when you get the chance can you post a full reads list in thread, as well as logs of all PMs you have righ tnow


----- Today December 10th, 2015 -----
rzr [5:31 PM] 
hey I'm here

aragakiayase [6:51 PM] 
reads/PMs?

rzr [6:52 PM] 
Talk to me for 8 mins

[6:52] 
I just had a big convo with dlgn

aragakiayase [6:52 PM] 
ok

rzr [6:52 PM] 
And I leave work in 8 mins

[6:52] 
I told him (and you) I would post all my PM logs and reads

[6:52] 
but I'll do it when I get home --

[6:52] 
real quick

[6:52] 
I suspect dbp

[6:53] 
DBP was cleared by me for what he did.
DBP was cleared by tokzic, and though I haven't reviewed the logs, I believe there were some possibly edited logs

[6:37] 
Here's the kicke

aragakiayase [6:53 PM] 
I don't

[6:53] 
like dbp seems very town to me now

rzr [6:53 PM] 
n1 ancient archives were frozen.
Roundbox tried his little test and told DBP he was hiding in the archives.
Roundbox's test only works assuming the peope he tells are gonna target him

aragakiayase [6:53 PM] 
my candidates are xel -> dlgn -> round

rzr [6:53 PM] 
It's theonly question I have that still has no asnwers

[6:53] 
Xel too?

aragakiayase [6:53 PM] 
xel mostly because activity

rzr [6:53 PM] 
I've mentioned, and recently, that Xel is trying LESS than usual

aragakiayase [6:54 PM] 
idk if he's trying less than usual

[6:54] 
but he's not trying for sure

[6:54] 
he gives off a similar feel as to storn in that he doesn't seem to give a shit

[6:55] 
which means one of two things: either town so doesn't care about impressions, or wolf and is disinterested because doesn't like wolfing

rzr [6:55 PM] 
Do you think they could be on a team?

aragakiayase [6:55 PM] 
xel/round?

rzr [6:55 PM] 
Interesting

aragakiayase [6:55 PM] 
I said this to dbp but xel's flip will give us almost no information

rzr [6:55 PM] 
I don't suspect round - he's my top town pile next to you and botchi

aragakiayase [6:55 PM] 
bebcause he hasn't interacted with anyone

rzr [6:55 PM] 
Agreed

[6:56] 
That's why I like the dlgn flip more

aragakiayase [6:56 PM] 
yeah dlgn flip would give a goldmine

rzr [6:56 PM] 
After talking to him, he comes across much more town then I'd have said so far this game

aragakiayase [6:56 PM] 
but a mislynch here would really hurt

[6:56] 
I still think the safe lynch right now is xel

[6:56] 
although if he starts scumhunting it becomes less safe

rzr [6:56 PM] 
I still keep kicking myself over the gradiant lynch sincve it should have been dlgn d1 but whatev

[6:56] 
Wello

aragakiayase [6:56 PM] 
does dlgn still suspect you

rzr [6:56 PM] 
My question was do you see a xel/storn team

[6:57] 
I don't think so

aragakiayase [6:57 PM] 
oh

rzr [6:57 PM] 
I think we both came to terms with each other

aragakiayase [6:57 PM] 
possibly

rzr [6:57 PM] 
But I will post it all anyway

aragakiayase [6:57 PM] 
from most town to least this is where I'm at right now

[6:57] 
dbp -> rzr/storn -> round/dlgn -> xel

rzr [6:58 PM] 
Very interesting

[6:59] 
I think roundbox could use some pressure at that point, dlgn said he thinks round has a lot to answer for and I told him I trust round

[6:59] 
What bothers me with round boils down to meta

[6:59] 
Why would he invent/initiate that cheesy plan as a wolf? Yeah it's very very plausable, but it' s like with DBP. Why would a wolf angleshoot? Too much to rosk and not enough reward imo

aragakiayase [7:00 PM] 
ok don't even talk about the angleshooting

rzr [7:00 PM] 
I'm gonna bounce I'll be back in like 30, msg my phone if ya want or somethin

aragakiayase [7:00 PM] 
because trying to get a read off of angleshooting is also angleshooting

rzr [7:00 PM] 
then modkill me

[7:00] 
lol

[7:00] 
sorry

[7:00] 
it happened

[7:00] 
I can't just forget about it

aragakiayase [7:00 PM] 
yeah just don't talk about it

[7:00] 
keep it to yourself if nothing else

rzr [7:00 PM] 
I'm not posting it, and I'm not using it as a base for my reads

[7:01] 
Funny that's what everyone says, and in doing so skips over my point

[7:01] 
><

[7:01] 
><

[7:01] 
weird

[7:01] 
><

[7:01] 
wtf

[7:01] 
><><><

[7:01] 
now it worked kinda

aragakiayase [7:01 PM] 
what makes me townread dbp is a combination of meta and what he's done so far

rzr [7:01 PM] 
What about "failing" roundbox test

aragakiayase [7:01 PM] 
I'm not sold on round

rzr [7:01 PM] 
?*

aragakiayase [7:01 PM] 
roundbox test?

[7:01] 
oh

rzr [7:01 PM] 
Ahh, so you see it the other way around fro me

[7:01] 
yah

aragakiayase [7:02 PM] 
I guess if dbp had it out for round?

[7:02] 
it's hard to say though

[7:02] 
it depends if dbp is the only one who round told that he'd be hiding in the ancient archives

[7:02] 
but even then it's not conclusive

[7:02] 
cause it could have just been coincidence

rzr [10:09 PM] 
That's why I just put in perspective the whole thing. Why wouldn't the wolf team have one hell of a trick up their sleeve?

[10:10] 
Tokzic was not suspected for the longest time, he had control at first.

[10:10] 
Dlgn, dbp, tokzic

5.Charu - Human, Dedded Night 2

Code:

rzr [10:37 AM] 
haaai

charu [10:48 AM] 
http://i.imgur.com/9Z8HJeD.png (20KB)


[10:49] 
Heya

rzr [11:15 AM] 
:stuck_out_tongue:

[11:15] 
whatchya up to

[11:15] 
avoiding ms creepy lady?

charu [11:16 AM] 
Mostly

rzr [11:18 AM] 
Haha don't worry dlgn and I can save you :stuck_out_tongue:

charu [11:27 AM] 
How so?

[11:27] 
I mean, you would need to come to this library and bug me to stop her from approaching me

[11:28] 
Buddy, do you have a teleportation device? Hee hee hee

rzr [11:38 AM] 
I do, it's a 4cylinder, and chevy haha

[11:38] 
Where's ya library anyway?

[11:38] 
Also sorry for delay I too am at work

charu [11:39 AM] 
Well if you're not in the area, don't bother.

[11:40] 
And that's cool. I'm pretty much here unless I'm doing something and or avoiding/being rude to the lady.

rzr [11:51 AM] 
Do you run the place or do you answer to someone? I had no idea how that works. I don't think I'm in the area :confused: are you in Canada like everyone else lol?

charu [12:10 PM] 
Nah, I'm just the tech guy. I do library things though, but mostly I'm the tech guy here.

[12:11] 
And no, I'm in the United States

[12:11] 
By Detroit, lmao

rzr [12:13 PM] 
Ayy haha that's cool, I totally figured you were up there. I do tech shit too, but not what I want to do, just kinda middle man IT stuff.

[12:13] 
In Maine :stuck_out_tongue:


----- December 6th -----
rzr [10:31 PM] 
hey

[10:32] 
how confident are you on that xiz vote

rzr [10:42 PM] 
also

[10:42] 
what do you think about roundbox's rest

charu [11:11 PM] 
Pretty confident

[11:11] 
Not sure what you mean about the roundbox thing though

[11:11] 
Actually, not even sure

[11:11] 
Just flatout "wat"

rzr [11:13 PM] 
test*

[11:13] 
sorry

charu [11:13 PM] 
What test?

rzr [11:15 PM] 
of telling different people he was in different places

charu [11:16 PM] 
Neutral

rzr [11:28 PM] 
in what sense?

[11:32] 
also

[11:32] 
what about storn

6.storn42

Code:

rzr [8:58 PM] 
hey bub

storn [9:01 PM] 
noww you msg me lol

rzr [11:16 PM] 
I had this open but I never sent anything haha I forgot


----- December 6th -----
rzr [3:02 PM] 
yoo


----- December 7th -----
rzr [1:51 AM] 
where did you hide last night


----- Today December 10th, 2015 -----
rzr [6:51 PM] 
It's a shame when it's so obvious you're a wolf

7.Tokzic - Wolf, Dedded Night 2

Code:

tokzic [6:45 PM] 
way less game theory than i expect of him

[6:45] 
but it's early so that's not conclusive

rzr [6:47 PM] 
I say (at this point) if round hasn't done much more he'd be a good d2 start

[6:47] 
Xiz I wish to see more from

[6:47] 
Gradiant6 concerns me - he seemed much more interested at the start then he does now


----- December 6th -----
tokzic [12:01 AM] 
hey rzr

[12:01] 
do you want to seer tonight

[12:01] 
i'm pretty confident you're town

tokzic [12:08 AM] 
okay you logged off nevermind

rzr [12:17 PM] 
Hey my bad I don't know why it says I'm logged off (I was sleeping tho) so you guys lmk what we're thinking

tokzic [9:15 PM] 
it looks like it's not gonna matter

[9:15] 
xiz is squatting the booth

rzr [9:16 PM] 
I''m really tired but I gotta tell you somethin

[9:16] 
oh yeah

[9:16] 
but

[9:16] 
b

[9:16] 
do you think he actually will?

[9:17] 
if so because he's scum? if so I'm really concerned about AA

tokzic [9:17 PM] 
it might not even be him doing it

[9:17] 
him being wolf would mean he could just say he's doing it and have a partner go too

[9:18] 
though that's really only a thing if he's stalker

rzr [9:19 PM] 
so yeah you think the're throwing a wrench in the plan

tokzic [9:20 PM] 
yeah we're getting our seering denied

[9:21] 
that's kind of interesting though

[9:21] 
because that means that wolves don't want us getting our seering off

[9:21] 
which means there's probably heat on at least one other wolf

rzr [9:21 PM] 
I had a thought and I'm coming to you and instead, but remember this is just a thought

[9:21] 
well yeah

[9:21] 
so dap or AA

tokzic [9:22 PM] 
yup

rzr [9:22 PM] 
I still don't trust d;gn

tokzic [9:22 PM] 
i still think dolgin's in the realm of possibility too

[9:22] 
yes

rzr [9:22 PM] 
but

tokzic [9:22 PM] 
i wish we had lynched him yesterday

rzr [9:22 PM] 
didn't mean to write that

[9:22] 
yes

tokzic [9:22 PM] 
he was easily the #1 info lynch

[9:23] 
and i did not find his reaction to being on the block

[9:23] 
towny at all

rzr [9:23 PM] 
I have no idea how that gradiant shit

[9:23] 
no

[9:23] 
I listed like 8 reasons I thought he was sketchy

[9:23] 
but round was defending him

tokzic [9:24 PM] 
v also went in hard on him, said he was confident about him being a wolf

[9:24] 
but then pulled out for reasons he couldn't say

[9:24] 
because ANGLESHOOTING

rzr [9:24 PM] 
hmm I missed that

[9:24] 
I still don't fully underds

[9:24] 
tand

[9:24] 
that term lol

tokzic [9:25 PM] 
it means using information that's not allowed in the rules e.g. pm info

[9:25] 
did you read that part in the slack

[9:25] 
where yoshl said STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS

rzr [9:25 PM] 
nooo

tokzic [9:25 PM] 
dbp was the one who initiated it

[9:25] 
hold on

rzr [9:26 PM] 
oy

[9:26] 
I wanna see this - might condemn dap

tokzic [9:26 PM] 
https://twig.slack.com/archives/freezewars/p1449366405004482

[9:27] 
does that work i don't even know

[9:27] 
slack is hard

[9:27] 
it's awkward because it entirely diffused the dlgn wagon

[9:27] 
but we aren't even allowed to analyse precisely what he's talking about

rzr [9:29 PM] 
all I "really" see is dlgn flipping out again
And I would say dap is human

[9:30] 
does work btw. very well it sends me to the top of chat where that part was

tokzic [9:30 PM] 
v weirded me out there

rzr [9:30 PM] 
where do you think I sould go?

[9:30] 
Do you trust roundbox?

tokzic [9:30 PM] 
he went from being "very confident" dlgn was a wolf to thinking it was unlikely

rzr [9:31 PM] 
when?

tokzic [9:31 PM] 
and despite reading that bit over and over i can't follow where that thought process came from

[9:31] 
directly before it

rzr [9:31 PM] 
in our pm's he said he thought he was human

tokzic [9:31 PM] 
https://twig.slack.com/archives/freezewars/p1449365093004305

[9:32] 
i don't know what to think of roundbox

[9:32] 
i don't think he's a good lynch candidate

[9:32] 
we talked a lot about the bathrooms

[9:33] 
and he pushed some plans that didn't actually have any use and would just immediately blow all our bathroom charges

[9:33] 
i got some weird vibes then

[9:33] 
but then other times he seems like he has a town mindset

[9:34] 
i thought his defense of dlgn was weak

[9:34] 
if dlgn is red i can see him being a partner

rzr [9:35 PM] 
That aligns with what I just said publicly

[9:36] 
should I trust botchi?

[9:36] 
Also

tokzic [9:36 PM] 
i'm 99% that xiz is the fakeclaimer

rzr [9:36 PM] 
I'm talking to AA and since I'm on the fence about him I'm tgrying to think of something to ask him

[9:36] 
At this point there's 2 possibilities

[9:37] 
Botchi and you are homeless, Xiz and (b) and (c) are wolves

[9:37] 
or

[9:37] 
Xiz is human lol

tokzic [9:37 PM] 
i have a really hard time seeing botchi fakeclaiming

rzr [9:37 PM] 
hold on I got something good here

tokzic [9:37 PM] 
alright

rzr [9:37 PM] 
I don't believe it but it crfossed my mind

[9:38] 
you and botchi are wolves

[9:38] 
I mean it obviously has to cross other p[eoples minds right

[9:38] 
so bare with me

[9:38] 
if you were

[9:38] 
as scum

[9:38] 
secretly having more and more people go to the booth and anticipate them to be booted to the main hall

[9:39] 
and instead, freeze the main hall

[9:39] 
now

[9:39] 
pause

[9:39] 
I think exposing this thought process to dlgn and watching hisa reactions (like with gradiant)

[9:39] 
we could pin him

[9:39] 
that's my "plan"

[9:39] 
if he jumps on it I'd say him and xis are scum

tokzic [9:40 PM] 
i'm always for reaction testing

[9:40] 
but immediately what should occur to him is

[9:40] 
that doesn't make any sense because then we'd have four hobo claims and not three

rzr [9:40 PM] 
and the reason I say this to you is because why the fuck wouldn't a xiz PR want to do the seering

[9:40] 
wasn't it you him and botchi?

[9:40] 
xiz*

tokzic [9:41 PM] 
right

[9:41] 
but in your thinking there you said me and botchi are wolves

[9:41] 
and xiz is human

[9:41] 
that leaves one hobo keeping quiet

[9:41] 
for some reason

[9:42] 
i mean there's nothing to lose trying it

rzr [9:42 PM] 
Oh yeah

[9:42] 
true

[9:42] 
wouldn't my reply be  the other guy didn't trust enough to claim

[9:42] 
ha

[9:42] 
maybe I could even get him to claim

[9:42] 
if I convinced him of my idea

[9:43] 
I mean "idea" ;p;

tokzic [9:43 PM] 
worth a shot

[9:43] 
man i wish i got more than two hours of sleep

[9:44] 
this game is like four times as hard as it was yesterday

rzr [9:44 PM] 
night talk makes it more interesting

[9:44] 
like the good ol days

[9:44] 
&&& oot

[9:44] 
thought::

[9:45] 
what about that wagon on gradiant

[9:45] 
there's gotta be a missing clue in there that would tie it togethjer

tokzic [9:45 PM] 
it was weird and probably had two wolves on it

rzr [9:45 PM] 
right

[9:45] 
Despite notcing it, I didn't actually read AA's post on the order of things

[9:45] 
but I asked people if they thought it was scummy

[9:45] 
I don't see a wolf AA going to those lenghts

[9:46] 
but if xiz/dlgn
xiz/AA
dlgn/roundbox
dlgn=/=AA

tokzic [9:47 PM] 
wait can you explain those pairings

[9:47] 
i don't follow

rzr [9:48 PM] 
xiz/dlgn = 2 possibilities
xiz/AA = 2 possibilities

[9:48] 
if dlgn is a wolf we agree roundbox's case isn't promising

[9:49] 
therefore AA, in this situation, can't be a wolf

[9:49] 
the team would be xiz/dlgn/roundbox

[9:49] 
however, regardless of roundbox's defense of dlgn, I do not suspect roundbox

tokzic [9:50 PM] 
i do think that team is possible but i can see lots of other fits too

rzr [9:50 PM] 
I should say I sent PM to go to the booth and seer AA

[9:50] 
I agree

[9:51] 
I do think these are humans: me, you, botchi, vendetta, dap

[9:51] 
the rest are all leans in one way or another

[9:53] 
I meant to asn you privately lol
at this point do you think I should find somewhere else to go?

tokzic [9:56 PM] 
i'm talking to xiz now

[9:56] 
i have a plan for the booth if he agrees to go somewhere else

[9:56] 
don't go to the booth

rzr [9:56 PM] 
heard

[10:01] 
I found a nice cozy spot - good luck amigo :confused:

[10:02] 
whep

[10:02] 
I was just about to go there too

[10:03] 
I really hope you're pinning xiz to the wall right now lol

rzr [10:16 PM] 
so hey

[10:16] 
any news?

[10:16] 
I'm trying this plan on AA first

tokzic [10:16 PM] 
that is exactly what was happening

[10:16] 
he just kind of logged off though

[10:17] 
right as i was getting to the juicy bit

rzr [10:17 PM] 
ughhhh

[10:17] 
well AA is being extremely helpful

tokzic [10:17 PM] 
how so

rzr [10:18 PM] 
He is interested in exploring this idea

[10:18] 
you were right

[10:18] 
he asked why the 4th PR didn't claim


----- December 7th -----
tokzic [3:50 PM] 
i'm starting to wonder about xelnya and storn

[3:50] 
whenever there's more than one player not doing anything

[3:51] 
that group almost always has a wolf hiding in it

tokzic [4:07 PM] 
can you give me a chunk of your conversation with roundbox just before 11:29pm last night


----- Yesterday December 9th, 2015 -----
rzr [1:12 PM] 
Yo just got on do you still need it?

tokzic [3:22 PM] 
would like it yeah

[3:22] 
his explanation makes sense i just want to double-check

tokzic [4:28 PM] 
can you hook me up

8.XelNya

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rzr [11:06 PM] 
if/when you are caught up I have question :stuck_out_tongue:

xelnya [11:06 PM] 
Ask anyways

rzr [11:07 PM] 
Okeey

[11:07] 
Well

[11:07] 
What do you think about botchi?

[11:07] 
If anything

[11:07] 
I am watching him and have talked to him

xelnya [11:07 PM] 
Damn I was hoping that I didn't have to read for that

[11:07] 
zzzzzzz

rzr [11:07 PM] 
DLGN cleared him quick

[11:07] 
well that's my concern lol

xelnya [11:07 PM] 
Well that's stupid

[11:08] 
You cannot safely clear anyone day one

rzr [11:08 PM] 
charu also said he can't be read he's too new

[11:08] 
THANK YOU

[11:08] 
so I talked to botchi and I get a very town vibve from him

xelnya [11:08 PM] 
Too new is acceptable answer-wise

[11:08] 
However I am curious why dlgn cleared so quick

rzr [11:08 PM] 
the thing is people want to give him that newbie card and when I talk to botchi he is much informed of the game

xelnya [11:09 PM] 
Noobie cards are for noobs

rzr [11:09 PM] 
well dlgn has jumped on a lot around

[11:09] 
mhm

xelnya [11:10 PM] 
Like clearing due to being new is a not good thing, however, someone like dlgn whom I have never seen before jumping around sounds a little logicall because he's trying to feel out the game maybe

[11:10] 
Which is honestly kinda townie  methiod pending

rzr [11:12 PM] 
right right that would be smart if people fed into it more, but watch how quick he cleared people RIGHT after he had started accusing them? I don't wanna build up anything yet, I posted my concerns a little, but let's assume he knows how to play a decent game right:
just about everything he has dne, which I've explained in posts, fits a wolf much more than it does human

[11:12] 
my biggest problem is I HATE doing this crap d1, but it is something to work with

xelnya [11:13 PM] 
This is a weird day one

rzr [11:13 PM] 
mhm

xelnya [11:13 PM] 
as people are getting right to the game instead of shitting around a little

[11:13] 
which leaves me disappoint

rzr [11:13 PM] 
I'd help with the gifs but I never understand half of them d:

xelnya [11:14 PM] 
Only people to really net the gif gimmick are like Plop and surprisingly Zenith is pretty good at it

rzr [11:14 PM] 
Haha charu just has his own ones right

xelnya [11:14 PM] 
Charu is...

[11:14] 
Charu.

[11:15] 
Your guess is as good as mine.

rzr [11:15 PM] 
Haha I'm actually dying haha

xelnya [11:15 PM] 
Wait wait waitr

rzr [11:15 PM] 
You ever played live with him?

xelnya [11:15 PM] 
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4380390&postcount=33 this post
FlashFlashRevolution Rhythm Game site forum. The perfect community for rhythm game and music lovers.

[11:15] 
is this the one

[11:15] 
where dlgn suggests

[11:15] 
the plan thingy

[11:15] 
mentioned earlier

rzr [11:16 PM] 
Yes

[11:16] 
And in slack here

[11:16] 
When we quizzed him on it

[11:16] 
He said this plan is his proposition, and that *after prodding* it could be applied to anyone, not just himself

[11:17] 
I put stars around prodding and it did that? haha

xelnya [11:17 PM] 
Like

[11:17] 
that was his entrance into the game

[11:17] 
are you shitting me

[11:17] 
that's either townie as balls or scummy as balls

rzr [11:17 PM] 
Personally, I have no good strategy and  I think it's shitty.

[11:18] 
yeah exactly

[11:18] 
so check this

[11:18] 
I was reading him town at this point in the thread

[11:18] 
then we get up on slack

[11:18] 
we shoot some ideas around, talk about charu, roundbox, storn

[11:18] 
and then he drops the bomb on me

[11:19] 
I keep saying I don't care, and I kinda don't but it bothers me because it came out of nowhere

[11:19] 
Now normally, even coming out of nowhere, I totally get it. I vote random all the tim eto stir the pot and get reactions, etc. But I KEPT prodding him for some kinda "hey why do you thin I

[11:20] 
woops

[11:20] 
"think I'm wolfy"

[11:22] 
And I posted all I got from him was "I'll post it when I get time" and then I dunno it seemed so feeble, I looked back and as we tlked through slack I saw him jump at other people as the names prese nted themselves.
So I don't wanna act like hey xel come join the dlgn wagon, I'm really just curious of your opinion on my synopsis? am I over playing this? Do you think there could be something? If he is a seasoned player I just don't see him grasping at strwas so.. disctinctly?

xelnya [11:24 PM] 
I need to do some actual reading before hand. However, moving from player to player isn't a bad thing, but the whole time thing it sorta depends. I'd give that a day and if nothing results prod about it. I don't wanna speculate on his ability as a player because that leads to bad choices.

[11:24] 
As a sole player in the game though based on his actions alone, along with input from his reactions and interactions if he feels scummy to you I don't suggest keeping to quiet

[11:25] 
But I don't think going like HARD is the solution

[11:26] 
Just kinda

[11:26] 
side speculation though

rzr [11:26 PM] 
I totally respect that actually I didn't think you'd respond so intuitively, thank you

xelnya [11:27 PM] 
That's kinda my POV on how to approach most people

[11:27] 
I think applying meta into things clouds judgement

[11:27] 
Take my last game as an example

[11:27] 
However I'm not salty about it because despite that it makes sense

rzr [11:27 PM] 
Dude I dodged the same bullet that game

[11:28] 
it sucked

xelnya [11:28 PM] 
You just gotta have a tell that is a result of actions / interactions XD

[11:28] 
And you can meta some people hardf

[11:28] 
Like take greggles for example

rzr [11:28 PM] 
poker faceee

[11:28] 
?

xelnya [11:28 PM] 
he has a pretty solid easy to understand meta

[11:28] 
Greggles is sunfan

[11:28] 
btw

rzr [11:28 PM] 
yayaya

xelnya [11:28 PM] 
ayaya*

[11:28] 
Anyways

rzr [11:28 PM] 
:stuck_out_tongue:

xelnya [11:28 PM] 
His meta is based on how he talks

rzr [11:28 PM] 
?

xelnya [11:29 PM] 
I have a hard time explaining his meta but tldr the way he interacts with people gives me a solid way to gauge

rzr [11:30 PM] 
I bet I'm the same damn way

[11:31] 
That's why I was so scared to cvhange my meta

[11:31] 
I hit scum 2x with you guys and had a CLEAR scum meta lol

xelnya [11:32 PM] 
lol

[11:33] 
Anyways I'll be reading thread later, need to start wra - FUCK. I FORGOT TO BUY A BUTT LOAD OF TAPE.

[11:33] 
FUCK.

rzr [11:44 PM] 
haha sorry I had to play that shit for a min


----- December 4th -----
rzr [12:07 AM] 
are you readint his lol?

xelnya [12:13 AM] 
???

rzr [12:17 AM] 
the convo was just blasting away lol sorry


----- December 6th -----
rzr [3:02 PM] 
yoo

xelnya [3:18 PM] 
you

rzr [3:18 PM] 
Hey!

[3:18] 
Lol

[3:18] 
I was just talkihng about you

xelnya [3:18 PM] 
oh

[3:20] 
Am I a fun topic of conversation?

rzr [3:20 PM] 
So far!

[3:20] 
just me and round

[3:20] 
Saying we agree you seem towny lol

[3:20] 
Have you been following/caught up much?

xelnya [3:20 PM] 
I literally just got up

rzr [3:21 PM] 
Where do you live lol

xelnya [3:21 PM] 
Puyallup Washington

[3:21] 
I tend to go to bed at like 4AM and wake up around 12:30~

[3:21] 
then work 2 - 11 ~

[3:22] 
I just made it so I had 5 days off this week because I needed a break from the bull shit that was my work XD

[3:24] 
Anyways that's not too relevant

rzr [3:28 PM] 
well either way lol I been curious about you guys - I like to talk about life shit too.
I didn't think you were so far! What'd you do for work?

Also, thoughts on a Xiz/AA team?

xelnya [3:29 PM] 
I work as a walmart truck unloader

[3:29] 
glorious work and keep me away from most people

[3:29] 
half of that is a lie though,

[3:30] 
I kinda have a hard time imagining AA as a wuff tho

[3:30] 
Like sure the end of that day was

[3:30] 
not good

rzr [3:30 PM] 
Oh haha I used to unload for biglots

[3:31] 
still listening to your op tho

xelnya [3:31 PM] 
my OP?

rzr [3:34 PM] 
opinion

[3:35] 
I'm ver curious where people stand on AA

xelnya [3:35 PM] 
o

[3:35] 
See when I see OP I think stepmania

rzr [3:35 PM] 
I trust him, but enough people are showing skepticism

[3:35] 
o.o.?

xelnya [3:35 PM] 
No one should ever really hard clear anyone

[3:35] 
everytime I do that I fall into a trap

[3:35] 
So I avoid it

rzr [3:35 PM] 
Oh hell no

[3:35] 
I just trust him

[3:35] 
When I pair the people I've spoken to up/against each other

[3:36] 
He's the only one who really gives me the best town vibe

xelnya [3:36 PM] 
I sit at a point where I wanna see what he does come start of the day

[3:36] 
The towniest person in the game is pretty much V

rzr [3:36 PM] 
So all the contrversy worries me  - I wouldn't hesitate to flip my view as long as I have something to work with

xelnya [3:37 PM] 
It should and that's probably a good thing

[3:38] 
yuck slack mobile site is disgusting

rzr [3:41 PM] 
Haha I don't even really bother with mobil no more - my phone just wont stop vibrating lol

[3:41] 
I can agree on V

[3:41] 
My concern is

[3:42] 
with the 3 claims

xelnya [3:42 PM] 
I'd have more an issue with it

[3:42] 
but V suggested he had a plan

[3:43] 
And V tends to deliver

rzr [3:43 PM] 
Haws he suggested it and I misse dit?

xelnya [3:43 PM] 
He didn't say what it was I don't think

rzr [3:44 PM] 
I'll have to check that too

[3:44] 
my best reading for V is his activity this game vs last game

xelnya [3:45 PM] 
I'd probably scum read him right now

[3:45] 
if his note of

[3:45] 
leave the three hobos alive it doesn't matter

[3:45] 
wasn't actually a good suggestion

[3:46] 
Like if you're a scum you'd suggest that in a few spots, but not many I think

[3:47] 
Anyways I'm off to get ready for work.

rzr [3:49 PM] 
Hmm okeyy, I'm getting ready to leave work :stuck_out_tongue: we'll pick back up soon tho!


----- December 7th -----
rzr [1:54 AM] 
where did you hide last night?

xelnya [3:04 AM] 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rIcQLjZoDQ
YouTube
Austin Morris
Come On and Bleed (Quad City DJ's vs Meshuggah)
  


----- Today December 10th, 2015 -----
rzr [6:51 PM] 
It's a shame it's almost painfully obvious you're a wolf

9.dLGN

Code:

rzr [8:37 PM] 
I'm thinking the same - nothing seems very safe. I'm trying to find somewhere I can't get crushed lol

dlgn [8:41 PM] 
lol

[8:41] 
not the kidz room

[8:42] 
V will go there 100%

rzr [8:43 PM] 
I almost think that's  a ploy to keep that zone free (hopefully for a pr)

dlgn [8:43 PM] 
dont see the point in that

[8:43] 
and if the pr goes

[8:43] 
and so does he

[8:43] 
they both die

[8:43] 
GG

rzr [8:48 PM] 
right, that's why I figured he was faking it to actually leave that spot open

dlgn [10:41 PM] 
i think xiz is a good vote fwiw


----- December 6th -----
rzr [9:56 PM] 
do you still think this???

rzr [10:20 PM] 
yo


----- December 7th -----
dlgn [3:41 AM] 
still think what?


----- Today December 10th, 2015 -----
rzr [6:07 PM] 
I guess I should stop beating around the bush

[6:07] 
so hi

dlgn [6:07 PM] 
hi

rzr [6:09 PM] 
give me a real reason why I'm a wolf

dlgn [6:09 PM] 
I believe I have

[6:10] 
1.  airball reads d1 freaked both me and xiz out

[6:10] 
2.  worlds that don't make a whole lot of sense at all

[6:11] 
2 fake homeless guy claims are suicide for the mafia.  that would never happen, ever.

[6:13] 
coupled with the fact that you've found no mafia and haven't taken any hard stances on anybody this game (I know you are wrong on me and feel like this should be clear to everybody by now, but whatever),  I think it is reasonable to suspect you

rzr [6:21 PM] 
Okay that's fair, lemme explain a little

[6:23] 
My reads are my reads - if you're going to criticize them then don't ask for them. I posted any/all evidence and thoughts and again you just laugh at them. So hey, call it airball if you want, I'm not gonna waste my metaphorical breath.
Second, I'm proposing worlds that make no sense? I am the person who originally propsed Tokzic as scum, think again.
3. I've found no Mafia? I just stated hwy I had found Maf firstly, second, given that Tokzic clearly died in the Kidz Zone with V tell me exactgly how much Maf you've caUGHT?

[6:24] 
Seems more like you're trying to push another lynch. And oyu were a huge suspect d1 and got off the hook somehow and everybody has just kept looking past you.

[6:24] 
To you, this should be clear, that you're human.
To me, it is not. And I never saw anything that cleared you d1, you've just been running with that.

dlgn [6:24 PM] 
you do understand that I don't know you are town, right?  and that I have to poke at people to see how they react and if they believe what they are saying, yeah?

rzr [6:25 PM] 
All that said, I think going at each other again is just wasting our time and we should focus on better lynch tarets

dlgn [6:25 PM] 
look at your d1 reads again

rzr [6:25 PM] 
That's exactly why I'm doing this to you, dlgn.
Though I think yuou can/have confirmed town

[6:26] 
what about them?

[6:26] 
I'm not explaining where my thought process was 5 hours into the game. Stop thinking because I post a reads list it's suspect and then askihg me to post it anyway

dlgn [6:26 PM] 
the way they read to me is like this person is scummy but some good posts, this person is towny but they may be wolfy later, this person is towny but could be faking it so i dont want to say, this person i'm unsure about but not a wolf

[6:27] 
every single one of those takes both sides

[6:27] 
it's very safe, very non-threatening, very careful

[6:27] 
the thing is town are allowed to be wrong

rzr [6:27 PM] 
I think the word you're looking for is neutral

dlgn [6:28 PM] 
but when you give those kinds of reads they just come off as not wanting to say things that we learn to be wrong later on

rzr [6:28 PM] 
But hey, again, I'm not repeating myself. I've stated over and over and over again I'm not trying to argue about my POV

dlgn [6:28 PM] 
it's beyond neutral.  neural is giving no read at all, which is acceptable.

rzr [6:28 PM] 
Why would I want to say anything? You have literally shit on every idea I've tried to come up with

dlgn [6:28 PM] 
but it seemed like you forced yourself to give reads on like most of the game reeeeally early on

rzr [6:28 PM] 
The hell would I want to add my input for?

[6:29] 
I did, I wish everyone would force themsleves to add to the thought content

[6:29] 
Say I was a wolf

[6:29] 
Wouldnt it be nice to know my d1 reads so you vould look for alignment?

[6:29] 
Or when I flip human you can outrule certain other possibilities

dlgn [6:29 PM] 
to me what you posted is an enormous, enormous red flag.  it takes a lot to try and see otherwise, and you've been super reluctant since then

[6:30] 
i was rereading your d1 reads earlier

[6:30] 
and you were right about a few of your town, actually

[6:30] 
and you gave a weird neural read on tokzic but I don't know if that's the kind of read you make on a partner

rzr [6:30 PM] 
I was lso right about tokzic

dlgn [6:31 PM] 
well, it was neural

rzr [6:31 PM] 
No

[6:31] 
That is one I stand on

dlgn [6:31 PM] 
like explictly neural

rzr [6:31 PM] 
I originally tried to test you

[6:31] 
But I ended up using it on AA

dlgn [6:31 PM] 
Null with reason
7.Tokzic

[6:31] 
that is neural

rzr [6:31 PM] 
Again, from my d1 reads?

dlgn [6:31 PM] 
Tokzic: unconvinced of humanity, but get no wolf vibes at all.

[6:31] 
yes, that is from your reads

[6:31] 
the main reads you have given this game

rzr [6:31 PM] 
You think what I thought in the first 5 hours of the game is what I still think?

[6:31] 
You're wasting my time

dlgn [6:32 PM] 
have you said a lot since?

[6:32] 
i know you've worked in pms and on slack a bit

rzr [6:32 PM] 
https://twig.slack.com/archives/D0FSGDV70/p1449790001000020
Eddie Nolanrzr
I'm not explaining where my thought process was 5 hours into the game. Stop thinking because I post a reads list it's suspect and then askihg me to post it anyway
Today at 6:26 PM

dlgn [6:32 PM] 
but I haven't really heard about when you are at w/r/t round, xel, storn, backpack, AA, like everybody since

[6:32] 
you are missing the point man

rzr [6:32 PM] 
A lot? By definition of what I do in game, no. I have withdrawn. Lynch me for it, I'm literally not even interested in trying and you know who to thank for that.

[6:32] 
What's the point?

[6:33] 
Trying to deduce arbitrary points from my d1 reads?

dlgn [6:33 PM] 
I found something about that reads list suspect and am trying to learn more about how you are thinking about this game and where you are at on everybody now

rzr [6:33 PM] 
When I've stated reads, I've talked with you also about this. You're beating a dead horse

dlgn [6:33 PM] 
I GET THAT THINGS CHANGE, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE SOMETHING ELSE

rzr [6:33 PM] 
Then I think you would want to be more interested in my current reads

dlgn [6:33 PM] 
but until i hear more i dont have much else to evaluate

[6:33] 
I DO

[6:33] 
I AM

[6:34] 
what are they?!?!?

rzr [6:34 PM] 
That is what I said I would do for AA

[6:34] 
well

[6:34] 
I have 2 main suspects

[6:34] 
you

[6:34] 
and dap

[6:34] 
which both SUCK

dlgn [6:34 PM] 
why backpack

rzr [6:34 PM] 
it's fuzzy because of the angleshooting, roundbox yelled at me for even talking about it

[6:34] 
Ah but essentially this:

dlgn [6:34 PM] 
bc again I know I am town, and I know you don't know that, but if the one read you have right now is me that doesn't help me read you as town

rzr [6:34 PM] 
Dap angleshot at YOU (which if he's scum clears you)

dlgn [6:35 PM] 
because everybody continues to think I am scummy despite trying harder than literally everybody else in this game

rzr [6:35 PM] 
I said I had 2

dlgn [6:35 PM] 
please please please don't read into the angleshooting

[6:35] 
it sucks that it happened

[6:35] 
but you have to do your best to ignore it

rzr [6:35 PM] 
If I were interested in building a case on you I would.
Are you actually trying to hear about my suspicion here lol?

[6:35] 
:stuck_out_tongue:

dlgn [6:35 PM] 
I promise you, PROMISE YOU, that i am never ever ever ever with dabackpack

[6:35] 
yes, i am

[6:36] 
like i swear right now, if I AM a wolf this game, I am NOT with backpack

[6:36] 
so just drop the angleshooting shit

rzr [6:36 PM] 
I was trying to contnue but you're harping on that point

[6:36] 
Moving on

[6:36] 
I don't think you are but it is also very possible that you guys had one hell of a ruse set up. It literally plays in to my ideas with tokzic.

dlgn [6:37 PM] 
yeah it's annoying because I said why it was a bad idea for one HG to lead d1 before tokzic claimed

[6:37] 
I think he literally saw why it was so dangerous for town and then did it

rzr [6:37 PM] 
DBP was cleared by me for what he did.
DBP was cleared by tokzic, and though I haven't reviewed the logs, I believe there were some possibly edited logs

[6:37] 
Here's the kicker

dlgn [6:37 PM] 
i heard that bit about edited logs before but have yet to see any evidence of it

[6:38] 
like I think someone said that about xiz?'s logs?

[6:38] 
and he was town

rzr [6:38 PM] 
n1 ancient archives were frozen.
Roundbox tried his little test and told DBP he was hiding in the archives.
Roundbox's test only works assuming the peope he tells are gonna target him

dlgn [6:38 PM] 
it would be good to knwo who said that but idk if slack goes back enough

rzr [6:38 PM] 
But, to stick to facts, he did fail roundbox's test. That room got frozen

[6:38] 
I look at all that and between you and him that's really all there is to work with

dlgn [6:38 PM] 
what about if roundbox is a wolf

rzr [6:38 PM] 
I'm not on storn yet or xel - I think they're a waste of a lynch

dlgn [6:38 PM] 
and he doens't go there but he freezes that room to make you suspicious of backpack

rzr [6:39 PM] 
Roundbox is the only person left in my town pile - I will explore that world with you gladly, but let me make it clear that out of all living players I trust roundbox the most

dlgn [6:39 PM] 
interesting

rzr [6:39 PM] 
I guess followed by botchi, though I'm still very wary of botchi

dlgn [6:39 PM] 
WTF

[6:39] 
BOTCHI IS NEVER A WOLF EVER

rzr [6:39 PM] 
Wanna know why I trust round?

[6:39] 
Idk man

dlgn [6:39 PM] 
dude

[6:39] 
DUDE

rzr [6:39 PM] 
After that shit with tokzic I think scum is strong and planned this game

dlgn [6:40 PM] 
IF A HOMELESS GUY IS ALIVE AND HASN'T CLAIMED THEY ARE LITERALLY GAMETHROWING

rzr [6:40 PM] 
Why?

[6:40] 
If they claimed right now

[6:40] 
All we would do

[6:40] 
Is lynch one or te other or both

[6:40] 
That is suicide

dlgn [6:40 PM] 
BECAUSE THEY WOULD KNOW BOTCHI IS FAKE AND IS MAFIA AND NEEDS TO DIE FOR US TO WIN

rzr [6:40 PM] 
If a PR is out there

dlgn [6:40 PM] 
DUDE

[6:40] 
HE IS NEVER A WOLF

[6:40] 
EVER

[6:40] 
you would have to be out of your mind to not claim here

[6:41] 
like if you are a HG you need to claim RIGHT NOW if you are staying hidden using this logic

[6:41] 
because none of us will ever touch botchi this game

[6:41] 
he WILL NOT GET LYNCHED, EVER

[6:41] 
unless he gets counterclaimed

rzr [6:41 PM] 
The only reason I'm not 100% convinced is because at this point in the game, if I was an HG, I would not feel comfortable claiming

dlgn [6:41 PM] 
YOU HAVE TO

[6:41] 
YOU HAVEEEEEE TO CLAIM

rzr [6:42 PM] 
Again, that wasn't my point, I was taolking about who I do trust lmao

dlgn [6:42 PM] 
it is insane not to

[6:42] 
but i need you to understand this

[6:42] 
if I die in the night I don't want you to throw a dumb vote on botchi

[6:42] 
and have wolves hammer it and win

[6:42] 
that is literally insane

rzr [6:42 PM] 
I have much better targets to look at apparently

[6:42] 
I do not wagon

dlgn [6:42 PM] 
please, if I die before you this game

rzr [6:42 PM] 
Don't worry

dlgn [6:42 PM] 
and you find out I am human

[6:42] 
trust me

[6:42] 
and NEVER

[6:42] 
EVER

[6:42] 
vote botchi

rzr [6:43 PM] 
I won't but I have been pressuring him

dlgn [6:43 PM] 
i will take the blame if he is a wolf

[6:43] 
actually

[6:43] 
no

rzr [6:43 PM] 
haha

dlgn [6:43 PM] 
i would blame whoever is the HG

[6:43] 
for being an absolute idiot

[6:43] 
and not claiming

[6:43] 
like you do get it, yes, we do lynch one of them today

[6:43] 
but if we are wrong, the other one dies next

[6:43] 
and that leaves only 1

[6:43] 
1 vs like 5

[6:43] 
that's SO GOOD FOR TOWN

[6:44] 
the real HG would claim 1000000000% of the time

[6:44] 
like you have to get that your own life as town is important but does not make or break the game, some town die, sometimes PRs die, too (LIKE XIZ, which is why tokzic is dead!)

rzr [6:45 PM] 
Let's move back into progression:
dap/AA/xel/storn

[6:45] 
If I'm excluding you since we're talking now, and I exclude round and botchi

[6:45] 
it leaves those 4

[6:45] 
what 2 in that list would be scummiest

dlgn [6:45 PM] 
to me

[6:45] 
ugh

[6:45] 
it's like backpack I need to really consider more

[6:45] 
AA seems towny right now to me

[6:46] 
xel and storm I literally am flipping a coin

[6:46] 
like I agree it's frustrating to lynch one of them because if they are town we learn almost nothing

[6:46] 
but you can't leave them alive forever just because of that

[6:46] 
it would be so bad to lose to them if they are wolves

[6:46] 
they have to take a stance on this game

[6:46] 
they are losing the game for town if they are town and they don't

[6:46] 
and I don't feel bad about that if I am wrong

[6:47] 
anyway i need to go soon for dinner

[6:47] 
but this was productive I think

[6:47] 
and I want to continue it later

[6:47] 
i think?  you are town, just looking at those reads from d1 again

rzr [6:47 PM] 
I'll try to be around or at least on phone

dlgn [6:47 PM] 
bc if ignore the reasoning

[6:47] 
i think you don't make all of those as a wolf

rzr [6:47 PM] 
I will also post all PM logs and reads list before I go to bed

dlgn [6:47 PM] 
and the tokzic one is odd to say about a partner

[6:48] 
and you are trying more than xel and storn, by far

[6:48] 
by FAR

[6:48] 
which I appreciate

rzr [6:48 PM] 
I'm glad we equally alleviated each others suspicions a little.

dlgn [6:48 PM] 
I just need to get reactions out of ALL of you to figure this game out

rzr [6:48 PM] 
That is my red flag with storn - he's tried harder in every game I played with him in so far

dlgn [6:48 PM] 
i feel like asking him and everybody

[6:48] 
if they are even enjoying this game

[6:48] 
because i dont get why you sign up

[6:49] 
to post basically nothing the entire time

rzr [6:49 PM] 
With Xel, I think I mentioned before, this is to a degree, his meta. But he is even quiter than usual

[6:49] 
#charu

dlgn [6:49 PM] 
storn posts votes, xel posts gifs and half-ideas

[6:49] 
like the one from earlier today was like "i just realized how unspecific this is" and then didn't elaborate

[6:49] 
and I wanted to leave it open for him to elaborate on his own, but he hasn't

[6:50] 
i am curious, i've asked for reads, he should know this without me asking

[6:50] 
ughhhh

[6:50] 
anyway yeah

[6:50] 
ttyl

rzr [6:51 PM] 
Enjoy supper! I'll try to squeeze more out of them

10.Vendetta21 - Human, Dedded Night 2

Code:

rzr [6:37 PM] 
Would you say dlgn is similar thus far to Zenith?

bendetta [7:08 PM] 
oh just saw this. i dont know

[7:08] 
meta reads only work for me with people who i've been a wolf with shitloads of times i cant remember personal playstyles of most people

rzr [7:30 PM] 
I'm just trying to find a good way to understand where the hell he could be coming from lol

bendetta [7:42 PM] 
i can read it either as like personally insecure that his good ideas arent being accepted and unwilling to acknowledge their failure or as a wolf doubling down on  his initial claim because he's afraid that budging even one inch will look like he was disingenuous about it and that holding fast, in his mind, appears to be truly town and consistent

[7:43] 
like he feels like being adamant and loud and theatrical about his plan means he WAS truly committed to it for the right reasons

[7:43] 
but with most acting, it's best to be brief and subtle

[7:46] 
upon reflection i am very interested in this sentiment https://twig.slack.com/archives/freezewars/p1449269962001519

[7:46] 
he says that being selfish is not a good reason, as though he needs to "act" town, that he can't be himself, that he must fulfill his role

[7:47] 
it's a slight into a faked mindset but it's also a minutae tell

[7:47] 
because his reason was selfish

rzr [8:11 PM] 
interesting - I don't think he's been doubling down I think he is back tracking a lot - but I might be misreading him

rzr [8:32 PM] 
you know I keep asking myself "what kinda PR would actually come out to dlgn"

bendetta [8:41 PM] 
that is a good question, and i forgot about that but almost entirely read it as a lie


----- December 6th -----
rzr [3:02 PM] 
yoo

rzr [9:58 PM] 
hey

[9:58] 
I want someone I trust to knw this if I die

[9:59] 
I don't believe it but it crfossed my mind

[9:38] 
you and botchi are wolves

[9:38] 
I mean it obviously has to cross other p[eoples minds right

[9:38] 
so bare with me

[9:38] 
if you were

[9:38] 
as scum

[9:38] 
secretly having more and more people go to the booth and anticipate them to be booted to the main hall

[9:39] 
and instead, freeze the main hall

[9:39] 
now

[9:39] 
pause

[9:39] 
I think exposing this thought process to dlgn and watching hisa reactions (like with gradiant)

[9:39] 
we could pin him

[9:39] 
that's my "plan"

[9:39] 
if he jumps on it I'd say him and xis are scum

rzr [10:41 PM] 
what do you think about roundbox's test

bendetta [10:54 PM] 
i dont fully understand this

rzr [10:54 PM] 
ask me a question

[10:56] 
essentially

[10:56] 
what if tokzic is a wolf and trying to get us all into the booth to freeze the main hall

rzr [11:02 PM] 
who do you think xiz's partners would be

bendetta [11:19 PM] 
no idea

rzr [11:19 PM] 
what about dap being cleared?

bendetta [11:20 PM] 
tokzic clearing dap?

[11:20] 
its true if xiz is a wolf

[11:20] 
false if tokzic is

rzr [11:22 PM] 
I want to clear round based on his plan, and I want to clear dap based on tokzic's plan/round's findings

rzr [11:34 PM] 
hey

[11:34] 
in regards to that test

[11:34] 
I will post what I did

[11:34] 
with AA


----- December 7th -----
rzr [1:42 AM] 
what do you think about AA at this point

bendetta [1:43 AM] 
not much. his play shows investment so that's good, but a lot of him is contingent on how today goes down. he's not my focus for today, i am focusing on xiz

[1:44] 
actually thinking about it i would put him at generally town right now

rzr [1:44 AM] 
Xiz is cooked and he's done it to himself - I'm kinda just using the time to keep plugging away

bendetta [1:44 AM] 
he is invested and he's focused on hunting

rzr [1:45 AM] 
I agree - the more I talk about him the less confident I feel about my placing him on a scummy side

[1:45] 
who do you think is a better seering target

[1:45] 
charu

[1:45] 
?

bendetta [1:45 AM] 
i generally like people who are geniune and inquisitive, it's why i've cleared botchi almost entirely

[1:45] 
charu is a good seer target

[1:46] 
some people want to confirm that i'm actually in the room i guess i cant fault them for that so i can get behind seering me

[1:46] 
well actually if xiz doesnt pan out the night may go differently

[1:46] 
i.e. if i am wrong about xiz

rzr [1:47 AM] 
if for any reason xiz is a human

bendetta [1:47 AM] 
i really dont think so

rzr [1:47 AM] 
we should lynch tokzic and seer botchi

[1:47] 
I don't either

bendetta [1:47 AM] 
i have some slight reservations because tokzic is inattentive but tokzic is always inattentive

[1:47] 
i agree that botchi is cleared in my book unless the insane happens

[1:49] 
stuff like this makes me feel more confident about xiz 
xiz [10:09 PM] 
yo, out of game talk for a sec. I'm sad I didn't get to see you in Seattle when I lived there. I will be flying back because im being invited to a conf in april if ya wanna grab a beer!

rzr [1:49 AM] 
I want to know where more people hid last night

bendetta [1:49 AM] 
but is not stuff i would use against him because if he's being geniune that would be douchey on a level of politeness

[1:49] 
but that's like what wolf-manti does

[1:50] 
he gets you into a friendly conversation about other things

rzr [1:50 AM] 
you refering to xiz?

bendetta [1:51 AM] 
yeah, but i was referencing that manti does that as a wolf which is something i'm familiar with regards to OOTC

[1:51] 
but it's a weak tell compared to other things at best

[1:51] 
and douchey if he is human to call him out for it, not worth using as another data point

bendetta [2:09 AM] 
has botchi talked to you since the claims information came out

rzr [2:12 AM] 
I think we talked a little anything specifc?

[2:12] 
I think I asked him about reads and AA

[2:14] 
want the log?

bendetta [2:15 AM] 
nah

[2:15] 
just curious if his temperament has changed at all after feeling a veil of safety

rzr [2:16 AM] 
if at all just slightly


----- December 8th -----
rzr [10:21 AM] 
do you think AA is a wolf?

rzr [10:48 AM] 
Do you think dap is scummy at this point?

[10:49] 
what do you think about a dlgn/AA/xiz team

bendetta [11:27 AM] 
i'm currently devoting all my cognitive energy to who among tokzic and xiz is a wolf and dont care about any hypotheticals because it is literally the thing we must solve today

rzr [11:28 AM] 
I think there's no point in stressing yourself - I think Xiz is a wolf and I'm the idiot that started this tokzic mess. I think xiz is 10x a better candidate, and I think tokzic wouldn't risk that much so fast as a wolf.

[11:28] 
That said, if he is one then I'd be sold on dap

bendetta [11:29 AM] 
please read the most recent posts

rzr [11:29 AM] 
which sucks because his angleshooting made me things he's human

[11:29] 
I did

[11:29] 
that's why I'mn talking about it so we can organize these thoughts

bendetta [11:29 AM] 
you're making really vague judgments based on personality and character over people you only know through a game over the internet and not focusing on the specifics of what each person's mistakes are

rzr [11:29 AM] 
The only thing that bothers me at this point is that log between him and dap - it looked like 2 wolf buddies laughing about stealing the seering away from humans

bendetta [11:30 AM] 
it looks doctored, but i cant put my finger on it

rzr [11:30 AM] 
Did you get both sides of it?

bendetta [11:30 AM] 
i got that from dap

[11:30] 
i am pressuring tokzic

rzr [11:30 AM] 
Do you think a wolf dbp would angleshoot AND cross reference so many logs?

[11:30] 
I'll try too if you want

bendetta [11:31 AM] 
i want tokzic and xiz to fight

rzr [11:31 AM] 
But honestly V this is why I asked my first question

[11:31] 
I agree

[11:31] 
anyway

bendetta [11:31 AM] 
i don't know what is what until the flip

rzr [11:32 AM] 
from my pov if tokzic is human and xiz is scum then I'm inclined to think you're scummy for this. But EVERY SINGLE post you had so far comes across towny to me. Just letting you know hwere I wasd coming from

bendetta [11:32 AM] 
there are two huge sprawling networks of association and until i have a wolf i'm going to be like jim carrey in the number 23 and see shit everywhere due to confirmation bias

rzr [11:32 AM] 
That's why I propsed the idea about tokzic to begin with, but I was looking for a reaction from dlgn and AA rather than tokzic himself

[11:33] 
I guess both applied

bendetta [11:33 AM] 
so you might note the entire case against xiz was created by me, and the entire case against tokzic is also being created by me, that should tell you where my perspective is

rzr [11:33 AM] 
I'm not concerned about you, I trust you as much as  have the whole game, which is like 70% town

bendetta [11:34 AM] 
i dont want to fuck today up and i am really narrowly focused on this today

[11:34] 
i think xelnya, roundbox, dlgn, dap, you, charu, and AA could be wolves

rzr [11:34 AM] 
Well let's work under that then  - I'm fine exploring today's possibilities more in detail

bendetta [11:34 AM] 
if tokzic is a wolf, i think the team is probably dap/roundbox/tokzic

rzr [11:35 AM] 
I still don't trust dlgn and put him on a scum team no matter what

bendetta [11:35 AM] 
if xiz is a wolf i think it's much less clear

rzr [11:35 AM] 
that's why I posted the wagon - thus far he's the only similarity between them

bendetta [11:35 AM] 
i would say maybe dlgn/xelnya or dlgn/AA

rzr [11:35 AM] 
And I wish 10x over we had lynched him yesterday instead

bendetta [11:36 AM] 
i went back on my angleshooting clear because i revisited the conversation more closely and saw what someone else said in saying "i didnt really think it cleared him"

rzr [11:36 AM] 
I've said dlgn/AA/roundbox or dlgn/AA/?

[11:36] 
Or

[11:36] 
xiz

bendetta [11:36 AM] 
roundbox is generally suspicious

[11:37] 
but i dont think i'd pair him with xiz

[11:37] 
possibly

[11:37] 
i feel good about clearing botchi

[11:38] 
one good thing about AA, who you are focused on, is that AA appears pretty invested

[11:39] 
and AA's thinking patterns appear whimsical, which i think is a hard quality to fake

[11:39] 
on a xiz flip, AA gains scumpoints

[11:39] 
but i don't know if it's enough to make him a top suspicion

rzr [11:44 AM] 
Thagt's what I hate about the xiz flip - we don't get as much info. I think if dlgn is a wolf we'll never be able to get him lynched now. Storn/charu type people will go first.

[11:45] 
Who claimed hobo and in what order?

bendetta [11:47 AM] 
tokzic, botchi, xiz

[11:48] 
a flip from tokzic or xiz is absolutely necessary for many reasons

[11:48] 
one because everyone is coasting on this phase because of it

[11:49] 
two because until we flip one the idea to coordinate any sort of night strategy is nearly impossible on the limited allocation rooms

rzr [12:46 PM] 
I'm gonna rng again most likely - unles I'm asked to hit the sec booth. 
Kidz zone again for you? Also, I agree. I just hate that the xiz vote gives us a lot less than the tokzic flip, even though I believe tokzic in this case so far

bendetta [1:24 PM] 
They give us equal amounts of information if you have cleared botchi like I have

[1:24] 
I am going into the kidz zone unless the hobos are cleared


----- Yesterday December 9th, 2015 -----
rzr [1:18 PM] 
god damn so yeah kidz zone works

rzr [1:25 PM] 
Do you think dap is scum now?

11.botchi246

Code:

otchi246 [12:22 AM] 
Backpack wolf

rzr [12:23 AM] 
you still think so lol?

botchi246 [12:23 AM] 
Yah

[12:23] 
I think he is so neutral

[12:23] 
Going toward dlgn kinda string

[12:23] 
Then changed his vote

rzr [12:24 AM] 
dbp worries me in general he is very good player

[12:24] 
watch how he reacts here

botchi246 [12:24 AM] 
Flippyfloppy

rzr [12:24 AM] 
if he doesn't try that hard he must be wolf, he always tried hard

botchi246 [12:25 AM] 
Yah i saw in other twg

rzr [12:26 AM] 
mhmm

botchi246 [12:26 AM] 
Not completely dumb hrre

rzr [12:27 AM] 
Haha I know that, that's why I won't let you play the noob card :stuck_out_tongue:

botchi246 [12:28 AM] 
Round is on fence for me

[12:28] 
And toxciz cuz no idea

rzr [12:29 AM] 
Round and tokzic are actually the players I kow the best.
Tokzic I get a town feel from so far, or at least nothing harmful if that makes more snese.
Roundbox, he's still not helping much.

[12:29] 
And he usually does

botchi246 [12:30 AM] 
Hmm wolfy?

rzr [12:33 AM] 
For round, yeah, that's what everyone is talking about yeah.

[12:34] 
but my problem with that is round is one hell of  a player, and mislynching him this early could really screw the game

botchi246 [12:35 AM] 
I agree from your explanation

[12:35] 
I feel like i could be in the crosshairs

rzr [12:38 AM] 
I don't think so, you haven't done much yet (no offense)

botchi246 [12:40 AM] 
I know. Keeping it interesting

rzr [12:41 AM] 
well i'll say this honestly

[12:42] 
if you stay "aloof" for too long, I will suspect you
so far you're doing a great job at trying, putting interest in, not too much content ITT but you and i have talked a lot about wuality stuff
but if you play that noob card all game I'm gonna be like "hmm why isn't botchi trying to actually find wolves"

botchi246 [12:43 AM] 
Haha

[12:43] 
I hear ya. I just think day 1 is alittle early to.be getting excited. But im enjoying thw back.and forth between you and dolphin

rzr [12:44 AM] 
and earlier with him and charu. it helps to look at others and say "oh okay they probably aren't on a team together" lol

botchi246 [1:00 AM] 
Are you pr?

rzr [1:01 AM] 
Nope

[1:01] 
I wish

botchi246 [1:01 AM] 
Dlgn is claiming hxc townie

rzr [1:01 AM] 
is that homelessness?

botchi246 [1:02 AM] 
I dont have any reason to believe otherwise, other than premeditated hxc townie

rzr [1:02 AM] 
you think he would have claimed it either way?

botchi246 [1:03 AM] 
I think so

[1:03] 
Smart as a wolf cuz he is defending it honorably despite discussions

[1:03] 
Tough nut to crack

[1:04] 
He says ge trusts me completely

[1:04] 
He

rzr [1:08 AM] 
Remember how they said earlier how he had a premiditated persona? What happened to that?

botchi246 [1:08 AM] 
I know.right

[1:09] 
He got all defensive and then changed his tune

rzr [1:10 AM] 
That's what I did when I responded to his argument. He literally said "rzr is too dumb to respond to" and didn't try to figure anything out. Then once I stopped harping on him he moved back on to roundbox (just now)

botchi246 [1:20 AM] 
What do you think about hgd

[1:20] 
Hgs

[1:22] 
Lemme ask.you a questiom

[1:22] 
If i was hg and then came out to you, and you were mafia could you do anything.about it

botchi246 [8:07 PM] 
where we hiding

rzr [8:18 PM] 
Haha I'm working on that

[8:18] 
I keep readig the room list and thinking - where can I hide and not be crushed

rzr [11:16 PM] 
haii

botchi246 [11:18 PM] 
Hey derr

rzr [11:20 PM] 
whatchya up to

botchi246 [11:23 PM] 
Eating at a restaurant you?

[11:23] 
Sky high?

rzr [11:24 PM] 
lol workin on it
hittin the bong w/ wifey

[11:24] 
good noms?

botchi246 [11:25 PM] 
Yehhhh

[11:25] 
Got nice glass?

rzr [11:26 PM] 
I had two nice ones I recently broke :disappointed: we're smokin hers haha, buut it is a nice piece
ice catcher & double perc
wbu?

botchi246 [11:27 PM] 
I have an 18in straight tube hbg with ice catcher

rzr [11:30 PM] 
ahh that's nice that's literally what I've been asking for xmas haha (size wise)

botchi246 [11:32 PM] 
It does the job

[11:32] 
I want to get a slide with a nail though

[11:32] 
Dabs are dumb strong rip

rzr [11:36 PM] 
oh the whole rig hell yea we just got a dab pen

botchi246 [11:38 PM] 
Just a slide with the nail i can fit to the pipe

[11:39] 
Pens are legit though

[11:39] 
Take em anywhere

[11:39] 
Where you from?


----- December 5th -----
rzr [11:58 AM] 
oh so you mean a small enough female? Here's what I did: you now those tiny flowers that come on those glass tubes you can by at like gas stations? I got a shit ton of them and made slides outta them

And I'm from mass but live in Maine now, wbu my dude??

botchi246 [4:34 PM] 
Im from north carolina but live in denver


----- December 6th -----
rzr [12:15 PM] 
Damn that is far, college orsomethin?

[12:15] 
I might be moving to NC reeal soon lol

[12:15] 
also

[12:15] 
are you a wolf botchi

botchi246 [12:16 PM] 
I am a hobo

[12:16] 
Xiz is a wolf

rzr [12:16 PM] 
Is that what I was missing itt?

[12:16] 
well be careful then

[12:17] 
I tried to soft hobo to you and 1 other person hoing they would try to get me killed thinking I was one (i'm not)

[12:17] 
Why do we think xiz is a wolf, claims don't add up?

botchi246 [12:17 PM] 
But im sure xiz is saying the same about me

[12:17] 
Because he is lying about being a hobo

[12:17] 
Idk how more antitown you could be

rzr [12:18 PM] 
I'll have to iso him - I didn't see him contributing anything

[12:18] 
It sucks cuz my alrms went off when he just randomly dropped a vote on me, which isn't something to get defenseive about, it's more the random/no explanantion

[12:18] 
I didn't think so much behind the scenes would be happening

botchi246 [12:19 PM] 
And aa is defending xiz

[12:19] 
So thats a flag for me too

[12:22] 
And i was born in nc, but grew up in colorado

rzr [2:03 PM] 
Ohhh okay now I get it. Shame you're so far :stuck_out_tongue:
For me, AA is paying the exact same game he did last time. It will be hard to convince me of his scumminess - but my mind is open

rzr [2:20 PM] 
botchi I have a question

[2:20] 
did you tell anyone else your hobo?

botchi246 [2:52 PM] 
Well not in private

[2:52] 
At least not before tokzics post

rzr [2:52 PM] 
ITT?

botchi246 [2:53 PM] 
I didnt say anything to anyone before tokzics post except tokzic

rzr [2:53 PM] 
Did he claim to you too?

botchi246 [2:54 PM] 
I dont think it matters if i tell anyone after that post

[2:54] 
Well not individually

[2:54] 
Just that claim in chat

rzr [2:56 PM] 
No I know

[2:56] 
so okay lemme get u hip where I'm at

[2:56] 
I didn't know anything that really happened last night

[2:56] 
I've talked with dlgn and AA that's it

[2:56] 
I still do not trust dlgn, but he doesn't trust AA, and AA doesn't care about him

[2:56] 
I do trust AA, so that concerns me

[2:57] 
Tokzic asked me to do something last night that I need to confirm -

[2:57] 
And we need to fully evaluate Xiz

[2:57] 
I would like to do that you and me because, no offense, if Xiz flips human then it's obvi between you/tokzic

botchi246 [2:59 PM] 
Yah obvi

[3:00] 
But aa is like attached to xiz

[3:00] 
Saying hes town

rzr [3:00 PM] 
So if Xiz is scum the next target is AA

[3:01] 
if he's not, it's either you or tok

[3:01] 
hmm

[3:01] 
Okay let's say this

[3:01] 
If Xiz and AA are a team, who do you think their partner would be?

[3:02] 
does this come across as scummy to you http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4381571&postcount=782
FlashFlashRevolution Rhythm Game site forum. The perfect community for rhythm game and music lovers.

[3:06] 
that last msg was towards you not general sorry: thoughts on backpack?

botchi246 [3:15 PM] 
Im confused

[3:16] 
Ur talking about aas post?

[3:17] 
From what i understand, dbp is not his usual detective self

rzr [3:18 PM] 
Rephrase: does AA's post look sketchy to you? Imo it comes from a town POV

botchi246 [3:24 PM] 
I think its null

[3:24] 
I cant read anything from it

rzr [3:29 PM] 
I just don't see a wolf going through that much trouble

[3:29] 
But  can be very wrong

rzr [11:27 PM] 
do you think xiz is scum

botchi246 [11:28 PM] 
Lol is that even a question

rzr [11:28 PM] 
I know sorry lol

[11:28] 
Iwrote it before I read that

[11:29] 
do you think AA is a wolf

botchi246 [11:30 PM] 
Aa is scary

[11:30] 
Did he vote for xiz

rzr [11:31 PM] 
what do you think about my question

[11:31] 
when?

[11:31] 
I missed that

botchi246 [11:31 PM] 
This phase

rzr [11:31 PM] 
oh yeah

[11:31] 
when he ninjad me

botchi246 [11:31 PM] 
Interestinf

[11:31] 
I thought they were partnered

rzr [11:32 PM] 
doesn't mean they're not

botchi246 [11:32 PM] 
i guess thats true

rzr [11:32 PM] 
if xiz is scum my nexct best look is still AA


----- December 7th -----
rzr [2:14 AM] 
what do you think about my idea

botchi246 [2:15 AM] 
That aa is done after xiz?

[2:16] 
If xiz is wolf ofc

rzr [2:16 AM] 
No I meant what I posted ITT

botchi246 [2:17 AM] 
Link me plz, i just read like 6 pages of it.and i cant process it all

rzr [2:17 AM] 
it's the very ver last one lol

botchi246 [2:18 AM] 
that thing about v in kidz zone?

[2:18] 
Where you quoted storn?

rzr [2:19 AM] 
kidz zone

botchi246 [2:20 AM] 
The site isnt loading on my comp rip, but i know the post where you quoted storn

rzr [2:21 AM] 
I was saying to AA we could send 2 suspects to the kidz zone if one backs out then one of them isd a wolf if they both die we get both flips, assuming 1 is a wolf since 2 wolves wouldn't go

botchi246 [2:22 AM] 
Thats a nice idea and all

rzr [2:22 AM] 
also my lmao wasn't at you it was at dlgn

botchi246 [2:22 AM] 
But i doubt anyone would agree to that

[2:22] 
I know i wouldnt

[2:22] 
Im fine with other guys going, but is like to protect my lives

[2:23] 
Id*

rzr [2:23 AM] 
It's more of trying to force it

[2:23] 
like saying "charu and dlgn are the biggest suspects, we should lynch xiz and send both of them to the kidz zone tonight"

[2:23] 
or xel or whoever

[2:24] 
site is down for me too

botchi246 [2:24 AM] 
Again

[2:25] 
Thats a good idea

[2:25] 
But they aint gonna go

[2:25] 
Cant really force anyone

[2:26] 
I would like aa, and storn to go to kidz zone in event of xiz lynch


----- December 8th -----
rzr [10:22 AM] 
do you think xiz is human? Do you think V is  a wolf?

botchi246 [5:38 PM] 
I think the opposite. I trust tok so i think xiz is wolf

[5:38] 
V i believe is human

botchi246 [6:26 PM] 
Im in tampa right now. We fish on the ocean! Caught a big ol redfish and some baitfish


----- Yesterday December 9th, 2015 -----
rzr [1:18 PM] 
That's awesome I love deep sea fishing!

rzr [2:11 PM] 
Looks like you have some answers my friend

rzr [2:55 PM] 
Botchi you really should just tell me who your partners are lol, I don't want to have to force the lynch on you so give me something else to work with

botchi246 [2:57 PM] 
I dont even have any partners

rzr [2:57 PM] 
That's not true

botchi246 [2:57 PM] 
It was tokzic, but now hes a wolf

rzr [2:57 PM] 
If you were town you'd have a bunch of poartners you just wouldn't know them

[2:58] 
I think I know at least one of your partners

[2:58] 
and you know that too

botchi246 [2:58 PM] 
I have ideas who are town and i posted that itt

rzr [2:58 PM] 
I'll check it - but for now I'm grilling you

botchi246 [2:58 PM] 
I have barely talked to anyone

rzr [2:58 PM] 
A a human, what is your power?

botchi246 [2:58 PM] 
These past couple days

rzr [2:59 PM] 
As a person do you tend to jump into new prjects or analyzze them first?

botchi246 [2:59 PM] 
Just jump, im pretty instinctual

rzr [2:59 PM] 
Aside from tokzic who are your biggest suspects? If tokzic is scum who are his partners?

[2:59] 
Do you think dbop should be cleared? If so, why?

[3:00] 
If you were green would you want to lynch from the possible PR pool or scum hunt other ways?

botchi246 [3:00 PM] 
Storn would be suspect and i had an idea about charu

rzr [3:00 PM] 
What have you done to scum hunt? Are you working on a case? Sheeping isn't going to convince me you're human and that's about all I've seden outside of PM

[3:00] 
why

botchi246 [3:01 PM] 
Charu cause him and tokzic were talking right after xiz lynch

[3:01] 
One after another

[3:01] 
Felt orchestrated

[3:02] 
I think dbp is alright, or at least not enough to lynch him

[3:02] 
Seems protown from what i read

[3:03] 
If i were just a town, i would choose between me or tokzic tonight

[3:03] 
50% of finding a wolf

[3:04] 
I think that answers everything

[3:05] 
Oh to scumhunt, i am rereading a lot.of studd

[3:05] 
Studf

[3:05] 
Stuff

botchi246 [3:19 PM] 
Anything else mah man?


----- Today December 10th, 2015 -----
rzr [6:27 PM] 
I wish I got to reply to this yesterday there is more info to ihspect inCharu apparently

botchi246 [6:32 PM] 
Huh?

[6:32] 
More info to inspect charu?

rzr [6:41 PM] 
No more that we were both looki ng at charu then found out he was human

12.rzr 13.Xiz - A Homeless Guy, Lynched Day 2

Code:

rzr [3:02 PM] 
sup fam

xiz [3:02 PM] 
congratz you are person #3 to message me

rzr [3:02 PM] 
that's it?

xiz [3:02 PM] 
yup

rzr [3:02 PM] 
you're the last person for me to msg lol

xiz [3:03 PM] 
literally nobody has bothered talking to me

[3:03] 
which actually tells a lot

rzr [3:03 PM] 
To be fair some might be intimidared

xiz [3:03 PM] 
exactly

rzr [3:03 PM] 
ted*

xiz [3:03 PM] 
i feel as though the wolves are weak this game

[3:03] 
wait wtf why are they intimidated i suck

rzr [3:03 PM] 
I'd agree - but I think they have a strong leader

[3:03] 
Nobody knows that

[3:04] 
imo you're a vet - vets are intimidating lol

xiz [3:04 PM] 
Thats a very wolfy thing for you to say lol

rzr [3:04 PM] 
That I'd be intimidated by a vet?

xiz [3:04 PM] 
so here is the deal

[3:04] 
someone is vouching for you hard

[3:04] 
im giving you the benifit of the doubt

rzr [3:04 PM] 
oy vey

xiz [3:04 PM] 
but here is the thing

rzr [3:04 PM] 
Okay

xiz [3:04 PM] 
https://twig.slack.com/archives/D0G0DUSAZ/p1449345832000014
rzr
I'd agree - but I think they have a strong leader
Dec 5th at 3:03 PM

[3:04] 
that means that you know you have a strong leader

[3:04] 
as it means you are confirming wolf

[3:05] 
that usually is a huge slip for wolves

rzr [3:05 PM] 
Oh yeah- I have little doubt that dlgn is a wolf (and at this point a bad one)
I also think the points raised on dbp are extremely valid

xiz [3:05 PM] 
meaning your partner is someone like V

rzr [3:05 PM] 
that being said

[3:05] 
I also expressed thinking roundbox could be pulling it off again. After talking with him I was more convinced of his humanity

[3:05] 
but a few others agree that a lot of distancing betwen dlgn and roundbox has gone down

[3:06] 
and I meant that to say that if dlgn and dbp are wolves, there's only a few left out there to "lead the pack"

[3:06] 
I hope that helps

xiz [3:07 PM] 
(replied to you)

[3:07] 
what specifically with RB

rzr [3:08 PM] 
at this point or where I start5ed coming from?

[3:08] 
nvm

[3:08] 
either way - same answer

[3:09] 
roundbox is the player I go back with the most - I am most intimidated by him.
He plays a great wolf game and even better town game.
Last game as a wolf he fooled everyone till the last minute, and he did that by "not" progressing the game, being quiet ITT, etc

[3:09] 
Which, up until recently, was the same thing he's done thus far

xiz [3:10 PM] 
good to know

rzr [3:11 PM] 
I suppose

xiz [3:11 PM] 
im keeping my thoughts about him private right now

[3:11] 
for a reeeeeeeason

rzr [3:11 PM] 
I don't think round is a wolf really any more - but I do stand by what I said about them having a good leader. If dap/dlgn were scum I'd find it hard to believe botchi was their 3rd partner.
But by no means do I outrule it

xiz [3:15 PM] 
if you are scum

[3:15] 
just know im giving you a pass for that

[3:15] 
becuase thats like two big strikes of what you have done so far

[3:15] 
besides giving a towns list read before people have even spoken yet

[3:15] 
those usually are the signs of wolf, like 100%

rzr [3:16 PM] 
Haha thanks
I wish I were, I prefer being scum, but like I was saying I'm horrible at it - my tell is "illogical logic." And I think I try to be overly analytical as town, hence my constant reads posts etc

xiz [3:16 PM] 
whats concerning is how long its taking you to type this message

[3:16] 
ah there we go long message

rzr [3:16 PM] 
haha

xiz [3:16 PM] 
never mind

[3:17] 
stop editing messages its also incriminating

rzr [3:17 PM] 
I have never edited a message

xiz [3:17 PM] 
when you type, you backspace and re-edit

[3:17] 
i dont mean editing after you hit send

[3:17] 
like as you are typing

[3:17] 
if you are hooman

rzr [3:17 PM] 
Oh yeah, sorry haha, I'm at work and I work in a call center so it's like second nature lol

xiz [3:18 PM] 
its a good way to spot da woof woof

[3:18] 
ye all good

rzr [3:18 PM] 
trying too hard to look prtty


----- December 6th -----
rzr [3:02 PM] 
yoo

xiz [11:02 PM] 
forgot you messaged me

[11:03] 
oop

rzr [11:06 PM] 
all good pimp

[11:06] 
what you up to

[11:06] 
thoughts on botchi?

xiz [11:07 PM] 
have you played games w him before

[11:07] 
and is he new to twg

rzr [11:08 PM] 
I have never played twg with him, but he hosted the last toruney I was in lol

[11:08] 
he is completely new

xiz [11:10 PM] 
interesting

rzr [11:10 PM] 
whys that

[11:11] 
you think he has the balls to claim like that as scum? or do you think he could just be new and thihnking it's a good play?

[11:11] 
assuming he was scum

xiz [11:17 PM] 
who knows

[11:17] 
well i have my thoughts

[11:17] 
and i already said em

[11:17] 
why you dont know that is interesting for how closely you have been paying attention to me

rzr [11:18 PM] 
I have not been paying close attention to anyone

[11:18] 
just whatever happens in PM land and ITT

[11:18] 
could you link me?

Does anyone else havce an issue where it says y1our team is only allowed a certain amount of messages and you can't go back any further?

**roundbox** · 12-10-2015, 09:05 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

LOG DUMP FOR THOSE INTERESTED:

Tokzic: http://pastebin.com/ZX80L0Hx

DaBackpack: http://pastebin.com/XB1CZunY

rzr: http://pastebin.com/6uJMAjAc

botchi: http://pastebin.com/dgS8cR7z

AA: http://pastebin.com/HnuhCZv8

Charu: http://pastebin.com/40bxReSN

dlgn: http://pastebin.com/GHW2jSbf

storn: http://pastebin.com/dadk876n (the last line here sucks because I didn't follow up)

Xel: http://pastebin.com/1KaM2uvF

Xiz (in slack):
xiz [11:57 AM]
please try to post more in the thread. a bunch of new info came up.

roundbox [12:00 PM]
Haven't had time to check today. I'm at school atm

UNLISTED PLAYERS: None

**dLGN** · 12-10-2015, 09:07 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

Originally posted by rzr

Does anyone else havce an issue where it says y1our team is only allowed a certain amount of messages and you can't go back any further?

yes, everybody, it's team (TWG) wide

**AragakiAyase** · 12-10-2015, 09:12 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

dlgn says roundbox looks good here because of his conversation with tokzic right before end of night. dbp brings up the possibility that because tokzic went kamikaze that round could have bussed him to look good, but dlgn brushes it off. This post especially sticks out to me:

Originally posted by dLGN

that trade is interesting.. idk, like did tokzic never see him not getting lynched over botchi so a trade is always best there?

hmph. it is very limiting for the wolf team, though. the movie stalker can't move. the other has to go to the AC room to freeze someone.

we need to send 1 unconfirmed into the sec booth each night. it's 1kp for wolves max, that they have to take, basically, and it removes a question mark from the game

it sounds very awkward, he acknowledges that there could have been a trade, but then doesn't address dbp's point about how that shouldn't clear roundbox.

then he drops this one:

Originally posted by dLGN

what mafia freaks the fuck out and sends pms around to everybody trying to clear you when you could easily get lynched?

there are multiple answers to this. one possibility is a mafia trying to look towny by putting in work to defend someone who might be getting pushed towards a mislynch. Another possibility is one who wants to use this precise argument as a way to confirm their towniness (which by the way it doesn't).

next dlgn says roundbox's post was towny here, which I agree with. But then he says that dbp seems to be pushing in the wrong direction just because of that which seems very quick given that it was just one post. roundbox then backs dlgn up but I thought dbp had a valid point. it seemed like round was trying to quickly clear himself (and rzr) right there.

tldr roundbox/dlgn start defending/townreading each other seemingly out of nowhere. they also don't have a log because lolallemojis

**dLGN** · 12-10-2015, 09:29 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

i forget why i townread AA. I've been confusing you with V literally the entire game. but if you can't tell I am town you can die in place of dbp or roundbox, take your pick. i have 0 teammates.

**DaBackpack** · 12-10-2015, 09:30 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

Originally posted by AragakiAyase

ok somehow I missed where dbp initially asked if you hid in the kids zone. why was that relevant dbp?

Storn had a very strong suspicion on V, and kept saying things like "we don't even know if V actually hid in the kidz zone )" which I took initially as "I hid in the kidz zone"

That's why I asked him about it

**dLGN** · 12-10-2015, 09:31 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

my reads flipped quickly because I thought tokzic's death was an accident at first, it's an interesting gambit to say the least. i'm not sure how much to interpret under the assumption that tokzic knew he was going to do that and / or partners knew it was coming.

**DaBackpack** · 12-10-2015, 09:31 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

Originally posted by dLGN

i forget why i townread AA. I've been confusing you with V literally the entire game. but if you can't tell I am town you can die in place of dbp or roundbox, take your pick. i have 0 teammates.

What the fuck is this

**AragakiAyase** · 12-10-2015, 09:32 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

Originally posted by dLGN

i forget why i townread AA. I've been confusing you with V literally the entire game. but if you can't tell I am town you can die in place of dbp or roundbox, take your pick. i have 0 teammates.

lmfao

dlgn

**AragakiAyase** · 12-10-2015, 09:33 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

Originally posted by AragakiAyase

lmfao

dlgn

because you know what that sounds like

it sounds like a bullshit reason to push a mislynch on me because I've pinged you correctly

**roundbox** · 12-10-2015, 09:34 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

wait what LMFAO

**dLGN** · 12-10-2015, 09:37 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

i've been called a wolf the entire game. if you think I am caving now you're mental. i just literally don't know why I have you as town. i've said that same thing before (that I a am mixing you up with V for some reason).

**AragakiAyase** · 12-10-2015, 09:38 PM

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

the thing is dlgn I didn't even say I was scumreading you in that post, I just pointed out some weird behavior and interactions with roundbox

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