TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

[Tokzic]

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the one and only post you've made so far that i've agreed with is this one

probably not tbh, but I think the value of that pales in comparison to making them essentially masons and their identities unknown to all parties. clears make for shit scumhunting, at least early game.

there is utility to the homeless guys keeping secret for at least d1 since the wolves can't make smarter reads based around the clears and we'll definitely have both of our homeless guys d2 as long as neither of them attend the movie showing like a buffoon

and yet you are appealing for the hobos to come out to you right away

??????????????

[dLGN]

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let's try something

i like it!

if it's not clear, no, I don't know anybody here, and afaik nobody knows me (though I play video mafia quite regularly on DM / ryuzilla's all-stars twitch streams, so maybe you've seen me)

thesunfan (a listed sub) got me to make an account here a few months ago when a sub was needed for one of the arson versions of this game, though I wasn't needed in the end, and besides reading the setup then and I think a couple pages of posts I don't know how these games have played out so far.

as for reads, i've honestly been more interested in getting my idea out there and justifying it to people who are skeptical / dubious. considering the number of people who have tried to discredit what I believe is a strong strategy it's mechanically confirmed that one or more town are hesitant and that you are not all salty wolves trying to stop town from (more) safely identifying each other.

i think i like storn because unlike the rest of you pussies he actually voted me without saying much else. the rest are voicing their displeasure and unease, suggesting that I am wolfy, but aren't voting to back that up. while I'd certainly like to hear some actual thoughts from him, just based on his opening i'd say he is pretty unconcerned about his image and that's more town than not.

i liked roudbox's cinnamon response for some reason. not particularly alignment indicative but w/e.

also I liked AA for quoting that post by mrpop about, essentially, showing vs telling wrt alignments. particularly because he was showing how what I did was technically "scummy" without being accusatory and coming to a premature conclusion. seemed like he was interacting to interact, not to push an agenda.

cheers

[dLGN]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

the one and only post you've made so far that i've agreed with is this one



there is utility to the homeless guys keeping secret for at least d1 since the wolves can't make smarter reads based around the clears and we'll definitely have both of our homeless guys d2 as long as neither of them attend the movie showing like a buffoon

and yet you are appealing for the hobos to come out to you right away

??????????????

fair point indeed. i didn't expect anybody to come to me immediately fwiw but I suppose that could hamstring my own reads if it had happened.

[Tokzic]

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can you explain why you are strongly opposed to charu's plan

[dLGN]

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Or... lets put it more simply

I RATHER HAVE ONE PERSON THAT'S CONFIDENT OF JUDGING COME OUT than have two do it.

Lowers the margin of getting potential wolf in an alliance.

see here's the funny part - if only one comes out, imagine the world in which that one person IS A WOLF and the real prs stay in the shadows thinking they are "the second homeless guy", woefully unaware of each other, while the (wolf)"clear" interrogates everybody and potentially finds the two of them and keeps them from each other.

I find your idea horrifically more dangerous for town.

[dLGN]

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charu's plan:
- one of the prs claims, one of them stays secret
- that pr grills each player in private
- these private communications are then made public

dolgin's plan:
- both of the prs claim to dolgin
- dolgin heads the human alliance
- dolgin coordinates town's night actions

in my scenario the prs take a risk claiming to me but the chance that someone falsely claims is far lower, as if too many claim then we're either dealing with a wolf or toxic town.

in charu's scenario the risk of someone falsely "clearing" themselves for d1 at least is FAR FAR FAR GREATER. if a wolf is the one "homeless man" to out today and does all the interrogating etc. while the real prs sit back thinking he is real and the only other person willing to claim PR, that is terribly dangerous.

[dLGN]

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btw add tokzic to my town for obviously thinking about the game and being willing/curious to hear each side w/o injecting his own beliefs while tuning out the others.

[AragakiAyase]

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btw add tokzic to my town for obviously thinking about the game and being willing/curious to hear each side w/o injecting his own beliefs while tuning out the others.

how would you read someone who bought your strategy pretty quickly and started trusting you?

[dLGN]

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oh and I don't necessarily suggest that I coordinate everybody's night actions btw. that can be left to the homeless guys, that can be done by everybody in the thread, that can be done by everybody individually, that can be done between people they wish to OOT communicate with, i don't care. my idea is purely what I believe to be the safest and most efficient way for the HGs to find each other, if they so choose to.

[dLGN]

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how would you read someone who bought your strategy pretty quickly and started trusting you?

dunno, it didn't happen. would make a judgement call and obviously continue to evaluate over time.

[dLGN]

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like I *think* the logic is strong, but, I could totally be wrong. my understanding of this setup is likely not as nuanced as others'. but until someone points out a problem with it or suggests something better (and again I think charu's idea is terrible), I'm running with it

[Gradiant]

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in my scenario the prs take a risk claiming to me but the chance that someone falsely claims is far lower, as if too many claim then we're either dealing with a wolf or toxic town.

in charu's scenario the risk of someone falsely "clearing" themselves for d1 at least is FAR FAR FAR GREATER. if a wolf is the one "homeless man" to out today and does all the interrogating etc. while the real prs sit back thinking he is real and the only other person willing to claim PR, that is terribly dangerous.

I fail to see how his scenario is FAR FAR FAR GREATER at risk than yours. In his case, can't trust that the guy to come out isn't a wolf, and in your case nobody can trust you yet. They are pretty much equal.

[AragakiAyase]

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something about dlgn's reads seem pre-meditated/unnatural. all the people in his town pile are people who have voiced caution but not outright disagreed with him. yes, he's reading storn for voting him but that seems to be because he thinks storn's confidence/not caring about image is towny.

also I liked AA for quoting that post by mrpop about, essentially, showing vs telling wrt alignments. particularly because he was showing how what I did was technically "scummy" without being accusatory and coming to a premature conclusion.

btw add tokzic to my town for obviously thinking about the game and being willing/curious to hear each side w/o injecting his own beliefs while tuning out the others.

it seems like he's looking for a certain type of playstyle and automatically labeling it as town while failing to consider that different people have different approaches

[dLGN]

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something about dlgn's reads seem pre-meditated/unnatural. all the people in his town pile are people who have voiced caution but not outright disagreed with him. yes, he's reading storn for voting him but that seems to be because he thinks storn's confidence/not caring about image is towny.





it seems like he's looking for a certain type of playstyle and automatically labeling it as town while failing to consider that different people have different approaches

do you think I am a wolf?

[dLGN]

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I fail to see how his scenario is FAR FAR FAR GREATER at risk than yours. In his case, can't trust that the guy to come out isn't a wolf, and in your case nobody can trust you yet. They are pretty much equal.

then you are honestly dense af