TWG CXVIII: But Who Are Ur Freinds Really??? POSTGAME

[YoshL]

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i played mafia at the con though

wrecked the wolves so hard everyone was suspicious as fuc of my bunny ears though

win some and lose some

gj j-rodd i trusted you waaaay too fast

[Charu]

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Wow, this thread is now mind-fuck. Stahp eeet

[Vendetta21]

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Here's a game recap from me maybe it will be useful. Since this is a game that people are just going to be butthurt about and not the sort where we congratulate good plays I think a critical analysis is probably best. If it makes anyone feel any better wolves historically have a 7% advantage with this set-up, which was compounded by a bad day 1 for humans. Anyways here's my criticisms:

Gradiant - I'm sure you already know this by now, but with masons the only power you have is claiming while getting bussed. Revealing yourself before you have had a chance to coordinate with your team mates got you killed, and it confused your partners such that YMIA tipped his hand. Once we knew who two of you were we made a relatively reasonable guess about Charles (and were right). What knowing the masons did for the wolves was pretty much allow our kills to tell the thread nothing about who we were and that made this game really easy for us.

Charu - You posted way too much white noise before you left and when you did have stuff to say you sandwiched a lot of your good reasoning between fluff making it have much less force.

DarkManticoreX2 - Thanks for making it easy to lynch you. I don't know if salting your wound with a text was already more than enough but again thanks. I think you already know what your strengths and weaknesses are, and I think you know that I just took advantage of that.

yo man im awesome - You were a mason and people were suspicious of you, revealing and then taking it back was a bad move as the wolves were totally aware of the fact that you were a mason, but then the humans were not sure because they don't already know who all the humans are and are much more confused. It was not sneaky at all from the viewpoint of wolves. If you claim, you gotta commit.

YoshL - Your play was also decent but you got somewhat convinced by jrodd and never questioned that.

j-rodd123 - We pretty much appeared to have a mindmeld through the most of the thread and that was really a little unsettling to me at times. I'm surprised that we got away with it. The comments about me bussing my wolf partners were pretty good tho and you seemed to have everyone thinking you were human til the end.

Xiz - I get that you like gimmicks but you need to make sure your weird plays are coherent and you know why you are doing them. You can't rationalize a gimmicky play after the fact when that wasn't your rationalization beforehand, that is wolfy as shit. I'm sure you know this by now but it's worth bringing up again. When I'm a human I just own up to the fact that I jump all over the place and remind people that I'm doing it because I have no fucking clue who is who and I'm trying to find something. I don't jump from hella confident gutread to gutread in a matter of hours.

MrPopadopalis25 - Actually a pretty good first game as a wolf, but dude use less words. The length of your posts made you stand out, and I thought you would have picked up on jrodd's light coaching when he quoted your post and said "I'm not reading this."

DaBackpack - Again generally good play I was impressed you seemed to have good reads, but you were surrounded by bad plays. That wavering paranoia is the sort of quality that makes a really good human, whenever you have that feeling you should channel it to ask a lot of questions of people.

iluswirl - So you really teetered and tottered and didn't make any headway or have a lot of confidence about what you were doing. Players tend to vacillate between having too much confidence (xiz) and then when that bites them become tepid (like you.) It's okay to lack confidence but the thing is you should always be asking someone a question or poking someone with every post. Just look at anything and poke. The fact that you know nothing (the source of your lack of confidence) should be motivation to know something. Don't just come into the thread and say "x is acting suspicious," you come in and say "hey (slight hint of insulting tone), why did you do X?" You get answers and a feel for that persons presence of mind.

Vendetta21 - I'm proud of not getting suspicion for my manti kill, but otherwise I wouldn't say this is a game where I really broke new ground as a wolf. I didn't even bus a partner once and those are usually the plays that I think are the best and am most proud of when they go down right.

Charles Claythorne - For the most part your play was outstanding you just were trapped in a void of bad pushes and had some bad team mates.

lurker - You were in the zone in terms of how to think and what was actually suspicious, but I knew you were going to be my day 4 mark from early day 3 because your attitude was not the sort of thing that gets people to follow you. My advice is figure out where other people are at and take the time to show them where you are at, bridge the gap between their thinking and yours. Also, one of my stand-by rules for this game is never stop fighting back. I had pegged that you wouldn't fight back and knew I would lynch you if I just yelled louder and longer, I had no idea what I would even yell about I was just going to make it up as I went along. The reason I didn't even try to go with DBP is because I knew DBP would articulate himself well, which is why I tried to get him to vote you because I knew you were my mark. That sucks to hear but it's the truth.

You really, really could have gotten me killed because as soon as I voted you you had a rock-solid confirmation that I was a wolf and you knew it.

[yo man im awesome]

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Plop had me fooled 100%. V I had leaning green, Jrodd I lied in thread about being on the fence about, I knew he was red but I was so focused on Manti I didn't want to bring that up and ruin my chances with lynching him.

Overall shitty game outta me, wolf team stacked as fuck, and plop you need to play more regular Twg you're hella fun to play with, maybe we'll be wolf buddies one day

[yo man im awesome]

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P.S. This was my first game as a mason an I gotta tell you it's really weir having a night chat that doesn't involve "okay who are we killing tonight".

[Vendetta21]

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Right that was the big tell for me.

I knew you should have known, and the fake "YMIA is suspicious" line you were tossing the thread was what made me want to pursue you.

Then why did you pick pointing out some other thing that (still) isn't even clear to me about Charu? Was the charu thing intended to get into my head? (It did.) If you were going for getting in my head you would have needed to stick around to pursue that tactic. If you were going for offense as defense that YMIA thing would have totally worked.

[Charu]

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Charu - You posted way too much white noise before you left and when you did have stuff to say you sandwiched a lot of your good reasoning between fluff making it have much less force.

I will say 50% of it was intentional.

Also, upon my replacement, I had 2/3 (Guessed Plop and j-rodd)

Too bad my right arm broke, dangit!

[YoshL]

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playing with lurker was really interesting

honestly wasn't too sure of what he was capable of when he cam in calling everything retarded

v pretty much said everything lol

[Xiz]

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Just to clarify, I was never ever on board with masons revealing themselves. It was a shitty play that only ended up shitty and backfired harder then I thought.

I'm honestly glad I was killed d1 because I would have tried to lead town down the wrong path for the whole game.

Lol sorry everyone! I take the blame for the loss haha ^^

[Xiz]

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Only person I kinda thought was mafia was V, but then again I was so wrong with everyone there was no way anyone would listen to me, (for good reason) lol

[Xiz]

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Xiz is always MVP in my heart

awww <3 ilu

[Charu]

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Reminds me a little of his play when he was my wolf partner. Wanna see him eat rope in the next hour. I advise you to join me.

Man, how controversial will this look to you once I flip green, huh?

Mmmmmmmmmm

[Vendetta21]

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http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/YZN5VWey4KAw here's the quicktopic for wolves

[DarkManticoreX2]

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Then why did you pick pointing out some other thing that (still) isn't even clear to me about Charu? Was the charu thing intended to get into my head? (It did.) If you were going for getting in my head you would have needed to stick around to pursue that tactic. If you were going for offense as defense that YMIA thing would have totally worked.

I was rushing.

I probably could have cut down that quote, but I was getting ready to leave for magic at the time. the line that set me off was this: "(Seems like genuine questioning, I have suspicions of YMIA atm)"

Human V wouldn't have had any suspicions of YMIA (you would have known he was a mason). Human V also wouldn't have made a huge post pushing a YMIA train undertone knowing he was a mason.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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I really don't like time limits in "thread only" games