TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

[YoshL]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

REASONS XIV, REASONS

vote swaying to xiz from drizz

[Tps222]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

I see TPS as green. And I believe you are a cop.
If Drizz/YMIA/Vicc vote for me that's 5.

Yeah my theory has flaws in it, but everyone has been wrong this whole game, even you with your confident James vote. We have a week to decide or gg. I say we make this count.

YMIA. I'm gonna go with my gut till the end.

Hmm, I can't see a wolf voting for ymia right now. Back to my initial read: ymia

[Krauthammer]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

Okay, let's start with TPS.

Posts I find to point to a wolfy status:

oh by the way i'm a vanilla townie. I don't ever usually announce my role so you can take this first time as truth.

Here is one of TPS' very first post. It, aislated, doesn't mean much. However, this was the first post TPS made relying on meta, and nothing more than meta. This wasn't called for, yet it happens. Later, on other posts, TPS would rely on meta as his way to say "I'm a human". I personally don't think that a human would try to, at least, find reasons to try to dissuade a lynch, reasoning besides pure meta and "if you lynch me I'll flip as villager"

In fact, several times TPS remarks about his role.

I'm perfectly content with leaving my vote on YMIA for as long as it takes for me to find someone else more suspicious, with actual reasoning.

What makes me wonder here is that TPS is leaving a vote on a player, then saying that he'll change it after he finds somebody more suspicious, with actual reasoning. I personally am interpreting this as if he were downright rejecting his own reasoning, which is okay. What is not okay is that he now has spent the majority of the game fighting against yoman, using that very same reasoning as a base. It seems inconsistent, and I think that a human would at least try to make the logic be as sound as possible.

Then you're terrible at reading players. Everything i'm saying is 100% genuine and completely contrasting my wolf-game play style. I'm purposefully acting a bit extreme to drive that point home. Not because I'm trying to create a new paradigm to operate under as a wolf (because honestly, why would I do it like this?) and launching a full out character assault on day 1 is always a terrible move if you're a wolf. You should realize this.

I love that you're hopping on the bandwagon again though. If I die, I cant wait to see what you end up flipping; my death will feel justified if I turn out to be right.

Here TPS outright seems to state that he is on purpose exaggerating his behavior as a human. It is normal as a wolf to act like he/she would do as a human, but I really don't see, in any good light, a human deliberately exaggerating human traits. Much less announcing it. It is like shouting a reason to why he is acting like he is acting, wanting people to stop wondering about that.

Here's the formula to figure me out:

1. Does he seem brash and unnecessarily assertive?? If yes, then human.
2. Does he seem reserved and logical? If yes, then wolf.

That's essentially my two playstyles. With boring vanilla roles, I manufacture drama and take wild shots in the dark on the first day.

Here he accurately points part of his behavior this game. He already said he is exaggerating his behavior. He continues to use his own behavior as his only defense.

You'll have much more material to work with if I'm alive compared to those two. If it comes down to being a lesser of two evils problem for you guys, just go with the person who provides more fodder to analyze.

This post, in context with the rest I have posted, could be considered as a way to promise he is going to continue his behavior so far. "the person who provides more fodder to analyze". I feel a human would at least try to change the wrong behavior, or at least make an statement that will try to change, but with this post, it almost seems that TPS doesn't plan to do a thing to change the behavior, so it is likely people's opinion won't change either. It is like he is distracting the players from analyzing other players.

Who's daring enough to attempt an obvious framejob in this game? Manti, V, Vicc, fiction? Definitely going to re-read all of your posts to see if this mindset brings up anything new.

I already said what I feel is wrong with this, but I will again. I really can't see a human jumping instantly to this conclusion, specially when it was so little after the night ended.



Posts I find could point to a human status:

Wow, that's a piggyback post if I've ever seen one, Manti already has posted since I placed the initial call-out vote. You know Manti lurks and gathers intel, defines frameworks of play, and calls people out who deviate from it. I made my vote purely to get some day 1 information from him, just in case we need to go back and analyze it in the future.

A wolf should be attempting to present valid human strategies, agree with the general flow of posts, and cast a vote on someone he knows needs to be lynched. YMIA is checking off each of those. Also, my gut is just screaming wolf to me and I'm going to start trusting my intuition more. Yoman.

TPS' first vote on yoman. Here TPS called out yoman with a valid reasoning. This was the start of yoman/TPS' continuous bickering. I suppose that one could consider that, between TPS and yoman, only one is a wolf. That is my actual opinion. But from these two, I still lean towards TPS.

Now I will go and check yoman's posts.

[Krauthammer]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

Now yoman

Posts I find to point to a wolfy status:

I don't think J-rodd is Mafia. I do think, however, he is some sort of power role. SK, maybe? Possibly a vigilante?

Outright speculating that somebody else is a power role. I see no human benefit from this behavior. Of course, a wolf could just have said that in the night meeting. Maybe yoman said this in case something happened to him, as we all know that yoman was, for some time, one of the prime lynching targets. But either way, this post was rather early, as well, when the lynching were just starting.

sorry, I feel like I'm missing something. What is "MW"?

This one has me relatively baffled as well. Yoman not knowing the terms? The reason I take the time to point it, is that, if my memory isn't mistaken, yoman has played C9++ with a Master Wolf before.


Posts I find could point to a human status:

I suppose his pushing towards Xiz, with reasoning and all, could be considered as something that could point to a human status.

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Now, I'm rather unsure to my own points as well. As I mentioned before (and for the zillionth time), I feel TPS is more wolfy than yoman.

What I have against yoman depends more of his past experience, and one wondering if he would do what I said, as a wolf.

[yo man im awesome]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

This one has me relatively baffled as well. Yoman not knowing the terms? The reason I take the time to point it, is that, if my memory isn't mistaken, yoman has played C9++ with a Master Wolf before.

About to start a larger post stealing some of your quotes, but I'll deal with this really quickly.

Pretty sure I've only played 1 or 2 games with a Master Wolf. The first being my actual first game of TWG, with me physically being the Master Wolf.

I didn't say that I didn't understand the terms. I was merely looking for what MW stood for, since my mind drew a blank. I *rarely* see anyone refer to the Godfather or the Master Wolf as GF or MW, so it left me confused, I still don't understand why that was such a big deal.

okay back to starting for-real post

[yo man im awesome]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

TPS:

These are the TPS quotes that just scream wolf at me.

Then you're terrible at reading players. Everything i'm saying is 100% genuine and completely contrasting my wolf-game play style. I'm purposefully acting a bit extreme to drive that point home. Not because I'm trying to create a new paradigm to operate under as a wolf (because honestly, why would I do it like this?) and launching a full out character assault on day 1 is always a terrible move if you're a wolf. You should realize this.

I love that you're hopping on the bandwagon again though. If I die, I cant wait to see what you end up flipping; my death will feel justified if I turn out to be right.

Not only, like Kraut pointed out, does TPS just say that he's exaggerating his human behavior, he literally just badmouths me and tries to attack me and make me unsure of myself.

Here's the formula to figure me out:

1. Does he seem brash and unnecessarily assertive?? If yes, then human.
2. Does he seem reserved and logical? If yes, then wolf.

That's essentially my two playstyles. With boring vanilla roles, I manufacture drama and take wild shots in the dark on the first day.

I see absolutely no good reason to give an ultimatum of your play styles. This point could essentially be considered moot honestly, because you had said yourself that you intended to change up your meta.

You'll have much more material to work with if I'm alive compared to those two. If it comes down to being a lesser of two evils problem for you guys, just go with the person who provides more fodder to analyze.

I agree with Kraut on this statement with what he said. A human would try and fix his wrongs, a wolf does nothing of the sort.

lol you wish. You've never been able to read me and you never will. That only strengthens this belief.

Honestly, I hope you're a wolf this game, because elsewise we're just engaging in an ego-fueled circle jerk that the wolves are just laughing at right now. You're the one who should take a step back and remember the fact that you cost your team the win last game. Not vicc, who you are easy to blame. Your piss-poor vote on Vicc "confident" is a shining example of hypocrisy, and that was on day 4, and you're getting mad at me for baseless day 1 votes haha.

WOW. If that bolded sentence wasn't wolfy I don't know what is.

And right after it you're trying to guilt trip the fuck out of him. Trying to convince V he's wrong by saying he was wrong last time, at least in the way you just worded it, was a terrible move there, Tps.

Tps.

Oh my god this quote. I cannot stress what I said here enough.

Don't fuck this up.

This is golden. Again, basically giving an ultimatum. There is no reason for a human to ever make a post like this, especially so on Day 2.


Unless you guys manage to strike gold somewhere in this thread that gives lynch priority to someone else, TPS is my #1 wolf target.

[Tps222]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

I am a vanilla townie

[Xiz]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

(In relation to YMIA)

A lot of what I had during day 1 was primarily a gut feeling, with evidence that people apparently didn't agree with, besides TPS. Nobody I guess listened to me because they wanted TPS dead, and didn't care who he voted for day 1. (Correct me if I am wrong here)

Then Day 2 really gave me some more wolfy-ness from YMIA. This post in particular:

...I find it a bit too perfect that just after that unlucky Day 1, the wolves kill off Danceguy, turning all our attention back to Tps again. I'm still pretty sure Tps is Red, but this is a little offsetting to me. I feel like the wolves are trying to set up an elaborate train of blame kills (which is to be expected, of course, just to a larger extent than normal.) that would first bring the blame to Tps, who let's just assume is green for a second. Then, at the flip, it brings the blame to someone like me or V, and from then on, they're just trying to set it all up here, nice and early.

What concerns me with this is how well thought out that post is in comparison to the thought process involved with some of his other posts....

@Xiz:
I don't think J-rodd is Mafia. I do think, however, he is some sort of power role. SK, maybe? Possibly a vigilante?

This was already brought up, but I'll bring it up again:

sorry, I feel like I'm missing something. What is "MW"?

Didn't you say earlier you were a Master Wolf? I would guess that the word "Master Wolf" or "MW" came up once or twice when you were a wolf before. This could be an accident, but I don't know...


There is one more thing I am concerned with. YMIA's agreement with my claims today.

...interesting thought that's leading me to believe the third wolf is Viccica...

...but Xiz actually made a good about Viccica.

I am struggling with this right now. YMIA never locked it in with a vote on Vicca, and I didn't expect him too, but I am not sure if he is trying to spread the heat off him, or what since the focus is back on him.


In relation to this I can't stress how much of a possibility Vicc is being a red to me right now, hence me not being dead yet. (From the TPS & Manti vote on me). From what I understand, if the other two reds would have jumped and voted to lynch me, it would have exposed them both, since I needed one more vote on me. They needed Vicc who wasn't there. I have been looking at Vicc posts, and honestly, can't really nail her for anything without making a huge stretch. I'm still digging. I'll post something if I find out more.


As for Drizzle... I can't say much besides what I said already. She went under the radar for me. 50% chance, but I'm not willing to risk that yet.

Most most wolfy to least list:
- YMIA
- Vicc
- Drizz
- Krauth
- TPS


Hope that explains it. Let me know what you think.
*sips water from almost-empty cooler*

[YoshL]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

In relation to this I can't stress how much of a possibility Vicc is being a red to me right now, hence me not being dead yet. (From the TPS & Manti vote on me)

unless one of the wolves were already voting for you.

anyways, what i see is an unwillingness to acknowledge any other points made by other people in your arguments. might want to fix that.

[drizzleRomanceGirl]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

The only reason I've been continually voting for DarkManticoreX2 is because I don't see anyone else who's suspicious to me. I would post who I think are the three people from the mafia, but Manticore is the only person who I think is most likely part of the mafia.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

Drizzle, there are three people who are mafia members.

Lets assume I am part of the mafia. Who do you think the other 2 members are? You have to start looking at other people.

[drizzleRomanceGirl]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

Drizzle, there are three people who are mafia members.

Lets assume I am part of the mafia. Who do you think the other 2 members are? You have to start looking at other people.

I have been looking at other people, and to be honest no one else seems to jump out as mafia other than you.

[YoshL]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=3949138&postcount=757

point 1: talk smack about dead townies. no big deal. Day 1 isn't the most game changing lynch if a vanilla townie is lynched. I think the fact that you don't know the impact of a townie lynch day 1 speaks words for your case.

point 2: James isn't mafia, point is voided

point 3: "I don't think it's very logical to ease suspicions just because someone made a thoughtful post."

that isn't even a reason cmon start trying or something. It's like "general little unbased with little actual elaboration opinion, with 3 more lines of fluff. Most of your posts are like this, little personal opinion on how to play the game, and then vote.

point 4: nulled. look at his game play right now. Plus, i've already explained why his claim as cop was either the most brilliant move as a wolf, or town oriented. my gut, and the probability of the circumstances say town oriented. Plus, no-one has counterclaimed his role which is massive.

"plenty of evidence" is all personal opinion. You've never quoted any solid evidence of his "inactivity". And tbh, he's stepped it up now that every single person in this game needs to matter for humans to win.

You're not stepping it up

i'm comfortable stepping back onto
drizzle

[yo man im awesome]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

Just a heads up, sorry for posting this at night:

I'm going to not have access to a computer from Thursday through Sunday; I'll be on vacation. Just so you guys know!

quoting this because this weekend was what i was referring to.

[YoshL]

Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

then yo man, i'm going to ask you to vote driz or xiz. split votes will suck today.