jTWG XVII Chat Fallouts

[xObserveRx]

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I can't really say I have anything on anyone... I feel most suspicious of Fish and well... apparently some people seem to agree. I'm going to have to go with my gut feeling on this one.

Fish

[Neonatrias]

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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whiteflame, what the hell are you doing there? Seems someone's a little bit jumpy to bump Fish out. Vote changed to whiteflame. Why, you ask? Because he bandwagons on someone who has so little evidence. I wasn't placing a vote on Fish because I had dirt -- rather, I wanted to avoid a phantom vote, but didn't want to take down Observer yet.

Observer's vote is no surprise to me, as he talked of his suspicion of Fish with me last night as well. Still nothing strange in his reasoning that I can see. If you're still leery of Observer's vote, check jTWG V. There were indeed some strange wolf strategies in it that may help to point out why someone would be suspicious of Fish. I, for one, can't say that I'm suspicious enough to blow him away, but I'm not going to rally behind him entirely just yet.

[Lightknight924]

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I think neither Fish or Observer is a wolf. I think Whiteflame is an ass for his conversation with gonzo. He could have been the Psychic. I think your internet being cut for two days is an excuse. So now, my vote goes to:


Whiteflame

[Necamus]

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Whiteflame comes in after two days of supposedly no internet access, so he hasn't talked to anyone in great detail (most likely). And now he makes a vote without giving ANY reason? Sure, you'll make a more detailed post later. So why not just vote later? Don't bandwagon so quickly.

Granted, Fish does seem to be acting a little funny, but I think he would have to have balls the size of watermelons to pull off such a stunt as a wolf.

[chickendude]

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Right now, I'm leaning towards drooler and his crappy non-argumented vote for Fish

I'm waiting for that "more in depth post later" but I'll probably be voting for him

[chickendude]

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I think I'm going to vote for whiteflame. I'm leaning towards him.

I'm waiting for his "in depth post" but if it doesn't appear to be showing, my vote goes his way.

[chickendude]

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oh crap
I thought it froze and didn't get through, so I typed the message again

sorry for the double post....
triple post now I think <_<

[whiteflame]

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meh forget the post...I doubt I could be saved in time although i'm willing to bet fish is a wolf. k thats basically my BYE post.

[Torlock]

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Day 2 Voting Guide

whiteflame-3(FishFishRevolution,Neonatrias,Necamus)
xObserveRx-1(PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR)
FishFishRevolution-2(whiteflame,xObserveRx)

Yet to vote: Lightknight924, Pumble, mattc16, rsr2, gonzo4life44, chickendude, Tasuke, and dawg4321.

Tell me if I missed anything. Only 3 hours and 19 minutes to vote.

[chickendude]

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wow, that sucked
whiteflame

[Neonatrias]

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i'm willing to bet fish is a wolf.

There's no reason for the wolves to pull such a risky move as that, as far as I can see. No one is severely at risk, other than yourself right now...And you're taking it exactly as a wolf would. First you're incredibly over-defensive, sticking to your guns seemingly to the last minute. Then, when things start looking bad, you pull back and give up. I've seen it happen before...And it just looks like you're trying to stick with the crowd here. My vote stands for now, as I'm going out to dinner. I'll return in several hours.

[gonzo4life44]

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WhiteFlame for being a stupid douche bag.

[Torlock]

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Day 2 Voting Guide

whiteflame-5(FishFishRevolution,Neonatrias,Necamus,Chickendude,gonzo4life44)
xObserveRx-1(PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR)
FishFishRevolution-2(whiteflame,xObserveRx)

Yet to vote:Lightknight924,Pumble,mattc16,rsr2,Tasuke,dawg4321


Just two and a half hours left.

[Tasuke]

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There's no reason for the wolves to pull such a risky move as that, as far as I can see. No one is severely at risk, other than yourself right now...And you're taking it exactly as a wolf would. First you're incredibly over-defensive, sticking to your guns seemingly to the last minute. Then, when things start looking bad, you pull back and give up. I've seen it happen before...And it just looks like you're trying to stick with the crowd here. My vote stands for now, as I'm going out to dinner. I'll return in several hours.

You must be retarded. Seriously, they're a wolf because they're defending themselves? Oh yeah only wolves defend themselves. Humans just let you kill them. And, if you want to say anything about not reading the whole thing, I'd say it'd be the group of retards you got to follow you on you dumbass lynch mob. Also, so this doesn't seem like I'm just bashing you and your stupidity. You do realize how much Fish has to gain by attempting to wolf himself(if he was a wolf), right? Since it was obvious he was gonna get gaurded, I see no reason not to try to wolf himself. Then everyone would trust him.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whiteflame, what the hell are you doing there? Seems someone's a little bit jumpy to bump Fish out. Vote changed to whiteflame. Why, you ask? Because he bandwagons on someone who has so little evidence. I wasn't placing a vote on Fish because I had dirt -- rather, I wanted to avoid a phantom vote, but didn't want to take down Observer yet.

You must really be illiterate or something. One, he says his internet was down. How does that translate to being a wolf? Two, he said he was gonna provide reasons later. So let him explain himself before you jump down his throat. 3.) A SECOND VOTE DOES NOT MAKE A BANDWAGGON!!! Seriously.

I think neither Fish or Observer is a wolf. I think Whiteflame is an ass for his conversation with gonzo. He could have been the Psychic. I think your internet being cut for two days is an excuse. So now, my vote goes to:

You think it's an excuse? It is! An excuse to why he wasn't here for two days! What's the big idea? And you're voting him 'cuz he could have mad the psychic mad? Fish could have killed the psychic for all you fscking know!

Whiteflame comes in after two days of supposedly no internet access, so he hasn't talked to anyone in great detail (most likely). And now he makes a vote without giving ANY reason? Sure, you'll make a more detailed post later. So why not just vote later? Don't bandwagon so quickly.

You are also in the stupid group, all I really have to say is that two votes isn't a bandwaggon. You are a fscking hypocrit. You are bandwaggoning. Do you not realise this? And the thing about not having the balls. If I was in his situation I would have done the same freaking thing and I'm not a total risktaker.


So I'm going to have to vote Matt for being such a fool. I think he would've caught his mistake if he really tried more than what he did. And Fish is second because he got all of you morons to vote someone on no definate proof.

[Pumble]

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I think i should post this convo with ddrruler to explain why it would be extremely hard for Fish to be able to pull off what he has done so far as a wolf.

JsRf325: i love the reasoning behind gonzos vote
JsRf325: XD
KPumble: what the **** was with your vote
KPumble: how could fish POSSIBLY be a wolf
JsRf325: haha
JsRf325: funnyness
KPumble: explain please
JsRf325: wolfs can be guarded too
KPumble: fish has claimed to be seered publically you know
JsRf325: who the **** didnt see the guard coming
KPumble: even if fish was a wolf, the seer would have called him on it
JsRf325: i saw it coming after his first post
JsRf325: and also how the **** do we know the seer is alive
JsRf325: all we ****ing know is the guardian is alive
KPumble: fish has said that the seer has reported to him and that the psychic has been killed
JsRf325: ...ok
JsRf325: your blindly following fish
JsRf325: ...
KPumble: if any part of that were false, the real seer/psychic would be all "wtf dude I'M the seer/psychic"
JsRf325: anyone can say anything
KPumble: but the thing is
JsRf325: ok youve missed the part where i said what if the seer died
KPumble: if iggy was the seer
KPumble: that means that the psychic is still alive, aka not dead which fish said he was
KPumble: and he would call fish on it
JsRf325: ...
KPumble: aka fish the wolf loses
KPumble: if that were the case
KPumble: i'm just saying you didn't really think this through
JsRf325: unless the guardian and the pyschic
JsRf325: have a alliance
JsRf325: the pyschic wouldnt call him out on it
JsRf325: because he would die
KPumble: what do you mean
JsRf325: JsRf325: unless the guardian and the pyschic
JsRf325: have a alliance
JsRf325: the pyschic wouldnt call him out on it
JsRf325: THE WOLFS WOULD WOLF HIM
JsRf325: ....what good would that do
KPumble: fish would be getting away with murder otherwise
JsRf325: uh either way someone would die
KPumble: if someone KNEW that a wolf was heading the alliance
KPumble: any smart person would know that they would have to be stopped, no matter the consequences
JsRf325: ...
JsRf325: who said anything about any other alliances
JsRf325: ...are you thick
KPumble: fish said that there was an alliance between him and the living blues
JsRf325: my point is...how the **** do we know there are any blues left
KPumble: what...
JsRf325: other than the guardian
KPumble: there are 2 blues left MINIMUM
KPumble: your logic makes no sense
JsRf325: ...thats what im thinking about yours
KPumble: except that mine does make sense
JsRf325: this is a standard game correct
KPumble: correct
KPumble: and there are three blues
JsRf325: 1 guardian 1 seer 1 pyschic
KPumble: yes
JsRf325: lets say day 1
JsRf325: the seer got knocked off
KPumble: okay
KPumble: what now
JsRf325: and then we lynched the pyschic
KPumble: if chromer was a blue, he would have said "WAITTT IMMA BLUE SAVE ME"
JsRf325: hes tried that before
KPumble: not just sit there and die
KPumble: he's tried that before when he was a blue?
KPumble: or when he was a wolf
JsRf325: i think both O_o
JsRf325: i dont remeber lol it was a long time ago
KPumble: he would at least want to tell the truth, because if he was a wolf, it wouldn't work day one unless he had HUGE balls and guessed which blue iggy was, if was a blue at all
JsRf325: ....
JsRf325: bleh this is pointless
JsRf325: im going off instinct
KPumble: and i'm going off logic
JsRf325: im pretty sure iggy was a blue
KPumble: did anybody have any convos with him before he died?
JsRf325: no idea
JsRf325: if he did they were kept secret
KPumble: oh wait, fish has said that he was the psychic, sorry
JsRf325: thats what a wolf would do since ive done it before last time i was a wolf
JsRf325: -.-;
JsRf325: k so thats a problem
JsRf325: lets say iggy was the seers
JsRf325: seer*
JsRf325: fish is actually a wolf and he gets guarded
JsRf325: what happens then...
KPumble: and says that iggy was the psychic, not the seer?
KPumble: because that's what he has done
KPumble: it wouldn't work
JsRf325: -.=;
KPumble: the real psychic would come out and call fish, exposing him as a wolf
JsRf325: interesting
JsRf325: i may have ****ed up badly ROFL
KPumble: yes, you may have

So, basically, the only way Fish could pull this off as a wolf would be if that the seer is stupid and did not seer fish AND did not call fish on it when fish said that he was in fact seered as a human, or if the wolves found out which blue chromer was and got everyone to lynch him AND chromer didn't come out before being lynched. Aka if the seer/chromer defied all common sense.

Feel free to poke any holes you can see in that logic, but i think i've thought this through well enough. I was suspicious of fish as well until he posted the whole bit about him being seered and the psychic being dead, but i think those posts can close the book on that since it's been a reasonable amount of time and nobody has claimed otherwise.

I want to talk to a few more people before i make a vote.